Legal experts in heated debate over Zimmerman trial

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," July 12, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: Welcome back to the special studio audience edition of "Hannity" as we go over the George Zimmerman trial. All right, everybody, ready? I will give you my theory of what happened. I think that this was a tragedy. You have a lot of crimes in this neighborhood and George Zimmerman is part of a community watch. He sees somebody he doesn't recognize walking near a home, thinks he is suspicious and I think he has a reasonable -- a reasonable thought process going into that.

You got Trayvon Martin. He is going to buying Skittles and an ice tea. He is walking close to the house why? Because he probably to get out of the rain. It is raining pretty hard that night. There the two shall meet and there are questions we will never know. Answers to questions we will never know like why did Trayvon punch George Zimmerman and break his nose with that first shot?

It became a tragedy, but I don't think a crime, especially because of the position that the eyewitness put Trayvon on top of George Zimmerman. How many of you think that's plausible? How many don't?


HANNITY: It was banged up pretty bad.

BADEN: He had a bloody nose, big bloody nose. Ever get punched in the nose as a kid?

HANNITY: Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dr. Di Maio testified it could have been broken and somebody could have put it back into place.

BADEN: That's the way you could have -- could have. But the only way you could tell if he had a broken nose is if he had an x-ray of the nose.


BADEN: He certainly has a bloody nose but it is not a broken nose and he doesn't have any significant injury to his head.

HANNITY: One at a time.

BADEN: I grew up in Brooklyn, Mr. Tacopina. I was in lots of fights. We had bloody noses. We had injuries on our head. This didn't require any stitches. It required band-aids. He didn't go to the hospital. The EMTs did an examination at the scene and found absolutely no evidence of any brain injury.

HANNITY: What about the next punch? Eloise Delagard, remember the woman from her bed who testified said, quote, "The nose was very disfigured" and we saw that picture.

JOE TACOPINA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You asked at the beginning what do you think the verdict is going to be, murder, manslaughter, not guilty? I raised my hand for manslaughter not because of the evidence in this case or the law. If it case were decided on the evidence the facts presented and the law it's not a close call. This should be a not guilty within a minute.

And by the way, I have never seen more proof of that than that rebuttal summation by the prosecutor who stood up there and asked the jury to look into their hearts, who told the jury that this kid was a child, 13 times, a child. I mean, that was an emotional pitch.

When you have facts you don't apply emotional arguments, you don't.

REBECCA ROSE WOODLAND, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: He wasn't a child. He was 17 years old. He was appealing to sympathies because he had no evidence. That's why.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's not what the law is.

HANNITY: Deneen Borelli, we haven't heard from you. Go ahead.

DENEEN BORELLI, "BACKLASH" AUTHOR: I wanted to make a point. This is a very tragic situation. My heart goes out to the parents.

HANNITY: I agree with you.

BORELLI: This was a local issue that became a national front page story. We are hearing about this every day. These crimes happen all the time in cities across the country of all of races, all ages, especially young kids in Chicago. Why is this national headline news?

I think it's because the national -- the liberal black establishment made it so. You had Obama inserting himself, Al Sharpton, the New Black Panther Party members, they made this an issue about race. In fact, this happens all the time across the country.

HANNITY: David, go ahead.

DAVID WEBB, SIRIUS XM PATRIOT HOST: There is a very important point about what Deneen is making here. Same time in Florida, Trevor Dualy, a 69-year-old black man shoots a 41-year-old white man who is choking him and uses stand your ground law. That doesn't become a national case.

Once the race hucksters and the special interests got involved, the CRS Unit from DOJ, which we have the FOIA request, show they are down there facilitating rallies against Zimmerman. You got Roslyn Brack, Mark Thompson, Joe Madison, Al Sharpton, all of them, this takes it out of the local issue and out of a due process issue and that's where we get emotion involved.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I disagree. You know who made this case about race? I say Zimmerman when he made that statement, those people. Who was he talking about?

HANNITY: What about creepy ass cracker?


HANNITY: Hang on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Racial profiling -- there was racial profiling here.

HANNITY: Can you prove it?

MERCEDES COLWIN, LEGAL ANALYST: There was no racial profiling here. You had the entire --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- with the trials we may not always have direct evidence but it's circumstantial.

You look at that comment.

HANNITY: All right, finish your thought.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you look at the comment he made, those people, and he referred to a-holes always get away with this.

HANNITY: Mercedes?

COLWIN: You played the entire 911 tape and, when they asked what did he look like, Zimmerman said I don't know. I mean, he started to say that he is white. He wasn't sure what color.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He didn't know what color he was.

COLWIN: He never mentioned color. He did not say it's some black kid. Nothing like that. He was specific, he says I'm not sure and then he started maybe white, black, Hispanic, but he was not saying black.

RANDY ZELIN: If you want to note truth about the case. The moment that the prosecution asked for a compromised verdict, it was like a get smart moment. The whole trial is he evil. He is bad. He is a hunter. He is a vigilante.

HANNITY: Murderer.

ZELIN: He is a murderer. Then all of a sudden, if you don't believe that, he broke the law. The prosecution insulted the jury.

ANNA-SIGGA NICOLAZZI, PROSECUTOR: This is not the way it works. I've prosecuting cases for 17 years, homicides since 2001. I am not so overly confident even though I believe in my cases with everything in me, I never know what a jury is going to do. I believe that someone is guilty, he right thing to do in my opinion is you give -- excuse me -- is you give --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can't argue emotion as a prosecutor.

NICOLAZZI: You give them the top. However, you never know what a jury is going to do. If you believe is he guilty of murder. Then he is also guilty of manslaughter because of the various issues in the case, there is nothing wrong with giving another --

TACOPINA: Wait a minute, wait a minute. If you believe is he guilty of murder as a prosecutor, you should not be arguing emotional arguments to a jury. This is not a game. You are the prosecutor. This is, no, no, no.

HANNITY: Stand up, Joe.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Closing arguments for you.

NICOLAZZI: But as a prosecutor, I have never heard a prosecutor ask a jury to look into their hearts. You don't ask that that's what the judge tells them. It's wrong though. It's wrong. It's wrong. That means they don't have the facts.

NICOLAZZI: That's not what he was doing. He used those words but his point was to talk about -- excuse me again.

HANNITY: Let her finish.

NICOLAZZI: He was talking about Zimmerman's state of mind. He was saying what is in your heart and ultimately means what is in your mind and that's what is important here.

HANNITY: What was in Trayvon's heart, creepy ass cracker?

NICOLAZZI: That is the way he was talking. Again, I'm not saying that's OK --


PETER JOHNSON JR., FOX NEWS LEGAL ANALYST: For Joe to get on his feet and jumping up and saying, you don't get emotional about. This you are talking about animus. You are talking about ill will. It's an appropriate comment for closing. The most important point though, I think you will agree with me, goes back to your interview.

It's fine, I agree with Dr. Baden that's a compelling point, I don't agree with it. But the real point is that George Zimmerman said that Trayvon Martin was going for his gun and he told you that. And there is no evidence to contradict it.

BO DIETL, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: I was a decoy cop, mugged 500 times, guys with knives and guns. If somebody is trying to get your gun and take your gun away, you have got it do what you have got it do. That goes into his mind at that point. If this kid got a hold of that gun, this kid was going to shoot him.

HANNITY: The quote to me that George Zimmerman gave me, it wasn't my gun at that moment. It wasn't his gun. It was the gun.

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