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What do Americans really think about ObamaCare?

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," June 27, 2012. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: We are just hours away from learning the fate of ObamaCare. And still joining me from the great state of Texas, "The Architect" Karl Rove. And we are also happy to be joined by a pollster, the one and only Frank Luntz and his very special focus group of voters. And they are standing by in Washington, D.C., tonight. Frank, take it away.

FRANK LUNTZ, POLLSTER: Sean, let's find out where they stand. First off, how many of you voted for Barack Obama in 2008? Raise your hands. Get a wide shot at this. Sean, two-thirds of these people are Obama voters. Now watch. How many of you support ObamaCare? Raise your hands. Only a small percentage. Who are the ones who voted for Obama but oppose ObamaCare? Tell me why?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: I don't like how complex it is. I don't like the individual mandate part of it. I do like the insurance reforms.

LUNTZ: Tell me why.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: The individual mandate that the government can force to divide in terms of what can't do to you?

LUNTZ: Tell me why.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Because I don't like the government is going to tell us what we have to buy. They are going to try to mandate who we go to and what kind of treatment that we get.

LUNTZ: One more Obama person who is against ObamaCare.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I don't like the mandate telling me what I have to buy.

LUNTZ: Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Cost control. It just spirals the expense of health care and doesn't really fix the system.

LUNTZ: You are nodding your head. Tell me why.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Oh, I think he's right, exactly.

LUNTZ: So, is there any compromise or should we start from scratch?

FOCUS GROUP: Scratch.

LUNTZ: Why scratch? You really want to start all over again?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I'm a physician. Nobody asked physicians how to fix health care. I can give you five answers right offer the top of my head that would bring down costs, give you better patient care that are quality, ObamaCare is a disaster. It's bad for patients, it's bad for hospitals, it's bad for my profession, it's a total unmitigated disaster.

LUNTZ: You are a physician and no one asked you?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: No.

LUNTZ: I got something wrong with my wrist, can you take a look?

Why start from scratch?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Because it is a mess, there's nothing in that's health care.

LUNTZ: Scratch?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Yes, and I'm a nurse. I think it's a disgrace.

LUNTZ: As a nurse, why is it a disgrace?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: It's not focusing on the patients at all. And other than the military, I think most of the things that the federal government has their hands in up being inefficient and not cost effective.

LUNTZ: Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I'm a physician as well. And I have to agree the problem with the bill as it is, is it doesn't fix the core problems.

LUNTZ: And what's the core problem?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: The core problems, the fact that Medicare is a bottomless pit. You can just keep pouring money into it and you're not going to improve health care. It doesn't deal with tort reform which is a huge deal. It doesn't deal with the cost of drugs and bringing drugs to market. It doesn't deal with patient access in a real way.

LUNTZ: So Sean, what is interesting about this is that you've got a whole lot of Obama people, and nationwide, 39 percent of Americans support the legislation, 55 percent oppose. Those numbers have barely changed in the last two years, and even our health care professionals here are saying don't do this, we need a change.

HANNITY: Hey, Frank, let me ask the group. Of all the people that voted for Obama, you said two-thirds of them did, how many of them that voted for Obama are going to vote to re-elect him and how many are going to look to Governor Romney? I would be very curious.

LUNTZ: OK. Let me ask you, how many of you who voted for Obama are switching sides to vote for Mitt Romney? One, two, three, four of you. Tell me why.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: I feel like -- I voted for Obama for some sort of change, especially in what the economy has been going through.

LUNTZ: How old are you, by the way?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Twenty-three.

LUNTZ: So you are one of those Obama-ites?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Kind of. I mean, I vote for Republican before. So, this is the first Democrat that I voted for and I'm disappointed. And I want something different.

LUNTZ: And what are you disappointed in?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: That he hasn't delivered on what he said he was going to change. It's worse.

LUNTZ: And you voted for Obama?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I did.

LUNTZ: And you lean towards Romney?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Absolutely. I think Obama has done a horrible job. He hasn't delivered. There's no change. There's no hope. There's no dividing than when we began and we are so deep in debt that we will never be able to get out of it.

LUNTZ: Two more of you. Tell me why.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: I've never seen a president with such promise fail so spectacularly in delivering a reasonable health care reform in getting our unemployment under control and getting more jobs, getting our housing bubble fixed.

LUNTZ: Great. Karl, I understand you got a question?

ROVE: Yes. Could you ask a couple of the Obama supporters who oppose the Affordable Care Act, the one thing they would do if it gets struck down and then ask the positions, what's the one or most important first thing they would do if the bill was struck down so we can get a sense of what kind of answers they're looking for?

LUNTZ: OK. I want to do the physicians because they are the ones that we have faith in that hopefully you know what should happen. So, what would you do first?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: The fundamental problem is the third party payer. As long as you aren't paying part of the cost or know what the cost is, costs are always going to go up. Right now, the immediate thing that you could change that would really help the health care system is tort reform.

LUNTZ: By the way, is it lawsuit abuse reform?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: It's lawsuit abuse reform.

LUNTZ: Most Americans think torts are a French pastry.

(LAUGHTER)

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Massive costs.

LUNTZ: What would you do?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I would make the patient the consumer.

LUNTZ: In what way? How do you do that?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: So, they are aware of the cost, they are aware of what they're getting and how much it is costing and if it is necessary or not.

LUNTZ: Doctor, what would you do?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I think health care savings account are really a great idea and very badly needed. The patient needs to realize what he is paying for and with the third party payers they don't.

LUNTZ: Are there any other medical professionals in here? Where are you?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: I'm a doctor. And we need insurance reform as badly as we need consumer reform in terms of making sure that insurance companies aren't ripping off both doctors and patients.

LUNTZ: One more. Who else is in the health care profession? What would you do first?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: We need to make sure that the system works for everybody and we need to make sure that what we do makes sense.

LUNTZ: Does this legislation makes sense?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: The legislation makes absolutely no sense. We are going to be having so many things that are going to get in the way of us actually taking care of our patients.

LUNTZ: Jackie.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: I'm a nurse but I work with physicians and there are a few bad ones out there, but most of them really want to do the right thing. But I see them struggling to comply with regulatory agencies, while at the same time practicing defensive medicine.

LUNTZ: Now, you say there are a few bad physicians. Is Michael one of those physicians?

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: I don't know Michael but I would hope not.

LUNTZ: You could have given a nicer answer.

(LAUGHTER)

Sean, Karl, if the president is watching tonight, he's got to be very nervous about what he's hearing not just in terms of who is voting for whom, but the fact that the medical profession, those are the people who have reasons to oppose this legislation and their hope that the Supreme Court fixes it in the next 24 hours.

HANNITY: All right. Frank, well, by the way, great focus group.

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