THE FIVE

May Day mayhem

'Occupiers' act up as media romanticize movement

 

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 2, 2012. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: So, four of the five arrested for trying to blow up that Cleveland bridge where part of the Occupy movement. An FBI informant gleaned details of the attacks after the meeting the main bomber at an Occupy rally.

Now, I'm not here to say "I told you so, Bob." So, instead, I'll say, "I told you so, Robert."

But, look, I'm less interested in being right than wonder why so many people are wrong? Thank to OWS this week, we saw brutal violence in Seattle, riots and attacks on police in S.F., and now, this terror plot. They also sent white powder to New York buildings.

How would you like to be the poor 99 percenter who opened that envelope and still doesn't know what he's been exposed to until the tests come back?

Piled that on to the thousand other crimes, including rapes, assaults, vandalism and yet, you still have defenders in the press and in government. Get this -- last night -- Nate Schneider, a Department of Homeland Security staffer, tweeted "Happy May Day, #solidarity."

So, as occupiers are busted for terrorism, a hack responsible for preventing terror is egging the movement on.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: My goodness.

GUTFELD: But can you blame him? He knows what the media likes. Who can forget the flick "The Battle for Seattle," a tribute to the 1999 WTO conference rioting? And now, some documents on OWS are in full bloom. Thanks to the media's giddy romanticism and a compliant administration we tolerate a tantrum of thuggery.

On the bright side, I hear Obama is open to negotiations. Go for it. Go back there.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, we decided together, we'll keep you.

GUTFELD: Yes, Bob, go for it.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: First of all, I'm going to say, you said in the break you may burp but you didn't.

GUTFELD: I know.

GUILFOYLE: Bob --

GUTFELD: Thank you.

BECKEL: Secondly, I stand corrected, yesterday when I said that I didn't think they were associated with Occupy and clearly they were there and around the movement. I do not think that stands for -- I don't think Occupy movement wants to blow up bridges as a whole. I mean, it's a small percentage of people. Nonetheless, they did prove with evidence. So I can concede that point.

Now, having said that, I think that the way you described a lot of damage and the rest of it, when you have that many people protesting around that many different cities, you're going to get some of that, and it has drawn the fringe.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: There's no question about it. It has drawn to it a lot of people who are violent people. And that is causing problems for the Occupy movement.

I, however, stick with the position I support Occupy movement. I support their message and I believe that there is inequality in this country. And that's what they stand for and I'm with them.

GUILFOYLE: But, Bob, how can you support them when they are engaged in violent acts, or involved in terrorist acts against this country? You have to disavow them.

BECKEL: I don't believe the Occupy movement as a whole supports anything like that.

GUILFOYLE: Well, that's what they're doing. Look at all the police and all the riot here. They didn't do this at the Tea Party.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Thank you, Kimberly, for bringing that up.

GUILFOYLE: You're welcome.

BOLLING: Bob, you say a small percentage of occupiers are actually, you know, willing to bomb or commit a terrorist act -- well, we've got rape now, we've got drug use, we have drug distribution. We have vandalism. Breaking windows, defecating in public, throwing Molotov cocktails, assaults, threats to bank, and now, a terrorist plot.

It doesn't sound like a small percentage of them, Bob, but certainly a much higher percentage of the Tea Partiers who were violent.

BECKEL: There is a slight generational difference, here, between the two. But during the Vietnam War protests, almost all of that and more happened and some I was responsible for. But we did that because that war was wrong, it was proved to be wrong. And, yes, there was a lot of violence around the movement and, yes, a lot of it was despicable but the message and the reason we were marching was right.

The war was wrong. Just like the 99-1 is wrong.

PERINO: Right. Well, I'm going to disagree, because I think on Vietnam piece, you can make a case, OK, you can understand -- understood where it was going, what they were trying to achieve. Still, inequality is going to exist, regardless. They don't have something they are, the thing that they trying to achieve.

The Tea Party was against government spending, pull it back, and certainly about Obamacare.

This one I actually think is interesting, that on the same day that President Obama visited troops, where fellow citizens are serving their country, risking their lives, then you have these five guys.

GUTFELD: Yes.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: And look at the difference.

BOLLING: And you made a great point, Dana, that President Obama is going to Afghanistan on this day, undermined the movement's message.

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: But not is long ago, a few months ago, the White House came out and said and I'll quote them, "The president will work to ensure the interest of the 99 percent of Americans and they are well represented." And senior adviser David Plouffe said, "We're going to make this a major campaign issue" -- Bob, boy, they're moving away from that, though.

BECKEL: The greatest single domestic violence that was perpetrated outside of the World Trade Center was by Timothy McVeigh, a right wing conservative, who blew up and killed 163 people, including a lot of kids.

PERINO: OK. But if these guys had succeeded in their bomb plot and people have been on that bridge and died, how would they have been any different than Timothy McVeigh?

BECKEL: Well --

GUTFELD: All they've got is McVeigh. McVeigh didn't hold a fundraising for the president of the United States.

BECKEL: McVeigh and that crowd, those right wingers, are still --

GUTFELD: There was one.

BECKEL: -- around carrying their guns and their soldiers.

GUTFELD: They've got one, Bob.

BECKEL: Frustrated former something.

GUTFELD: You've got one. That's all you have, though. After McVeigh, you've got nothing.

BOLLING: If I'm not mistaken --

BECKEL: Yes, we've got a lot more.

BOLLING: Wasn't that before the Patriot Act? Wasn't that before that?

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BECKEL: You think they would have caught McVeigh.

BOLLING: I do.

PERINO: And also, the way they caught these guy was gathering intel.

GUILFOYLE: Exactly. And the guys got enough C4 or whatever you want for free, and the target list. That's friendly. Nonviolent protesters.

GUTFELD: I will say this. Bob, has a point about the generational differences. Younger people tend to do dumber things than older people because as you get older you gleaned wisdom that you don't have as you're young.

But at least you've got to know that the guy in the mailroom is not a

1 percenters, sending him a powder ruins his life.

BECKEL: It's unlikely that people's average age is probably 60 in the Tea Party movement are going to do these kinds of things. I agree.

GUTFELD: Well, there's a lot younger that. I'm talking about --

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GUILFOYLE: Bob is unbelievable.

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PERINO: Just aging you.

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Honestly.

GUTFELD: Yes. One question, how come, in Seattle, with the buildings being under attack county, how come those people don't defend their buildings? Is there a rule or law that like -- you know, why can't you shoot a looter? Can't you?

GUILFOYLE: Well, depending on the level of threat and the laws of the state in terms of whether or not you are --

BECKEL: You're going to shoot a looter?

GUTFELD: Oh, I would shoot a looter definitely. If that was my building, a guy came in --

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GUTFELD: I'd shot him.

BECKEL: You will shoot a looter if they went in to your bar and took your wine.

GUTFELD: Yes. That's too.

But no, I don't understand.

GUILFOYLE: Like in a liquor store.

GUTFELD: Somebody is coming in and taking your stuff, you shot them. That's the way it works.

GUILFOYLE: OK, nonviolence at "The Five" tonight.

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