THE FIVE

Cashing in on kids' bad behavior?

Some schools hit students with fines

 

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 21, 2012. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: You might remember last week, we were talking about a school in Ohio. I'm pretty sure it's a charter school, but we're going to check that. And they were using privately donated dollars, private dollars, to pay kids to go to school and they said it was working.

We have now the opposite situation with charter schools in Chicago, called the Noble Street College Prep, where they are doing something that one of these -- a professor commenting on it from Rutgers said it was like financial torture from medieval times. And it is. They are charging students for their demerits, from anything, from chewing gum, to talking out of class, or disruptive behavior.

And Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago, said you can't argue with success. But some people think it's wrong.

What do you think, Bob?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, first of all, I wonder what they would charge you for booze in the 7th grade.

PERINO: Oh, that's like your whole allowance.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Eighth grade, 9th grade, 10th grade.

BECKEL: Yes, right.

Listen, I'll tell you -- I happen to think there's something to this because it's -- Emanuel said look at the facts, that 90 percent of these kids graduate from the school and 100 percent get accepted into to college and go to college. Now, as compared to 54 percent of the average college school.

Now, if that's what it takes to not have -- not really uniforms but you don't -- if you go to a high school today, the guys look like drug dealers and girls look like hookers. Now, I mean, if you get -- in that kind of environment, people don't learn. I mean, I just think it's a good idea.

TANTAROS: Bob, dress code police. That's your many titles.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: It's really not that much money. Four demerits within a two week period gets them detention and $5 fine. I mean, that's not that much.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: I think it's good. I like it.

BECKEL: You do? What about -- excuse me, let's weigh in.

TANTAROS: Why do you like it?

GUILFOYLE: I like it because I think it's encouraging responsibility, individual responsibility, personal responsibility, that children are held accountable. They should make an investment in their education. They should be there to learn. They shouldn't be on the cell phone.

BECKEL: Did you chew gum in school?

GUILFOYLE: No, I went to all girls -- remember, Bob -- private Catholic school.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Your skirt had to be below your knees.

PERINO: I have a feeling that Eric thinks this is bad policy.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yes, I don't love this idea. I think it's -- you know, first of all, what kids -- kids don't have the money. The success, by the way, is probably because it's a charter school, not because they're charging kids 5 bucks.

PERINO: But that was a charter school last week where they were paying kids to go to school.

BOLLING: Yes. No, the private money.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: We were all OK if they wanted to spend some private money and pay kids to show up and have a perfect attendance record. I still don't like the idea of penalizing a kid with money. You know what works with kids?

GUILFOYLE: What?

BOLLING: Time.

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: Put them in detention, make 'em extra time, make `em stay longer.

TANTAROS: You know what really works. That Saturday morning detention. I'll tell you what? I would have tied my shoes and the sugar- free juicy fruit would have been so far out of my --

BECKEL: Did you chew gum in high school?

TANTAROS: I did.

BECKEL: I bet you did.

TANTAROS: I chewed gum because we had it at the restaurant.

BECKEL: Did you wear short skirts?

TANTAROS: Take it from behind the register.

PERINO: What? We don't need to know that.

BECKEL: I'm just curious.

PERINO: It's all relative anyway.

BECKEL: You're probably right. OK. I take it back.

TANTAROS: Look, I think anywhere you can get the kids to follow the rules and learn to follow the rules is good. And guess what? If they don't like it, if the parents don't like it, the beauty of a charter school, they can send their --

PERINO: This is the best. They had this woman, she's with an advocacy group called Parents United for Responsible Education, which she said it just goes over the line and it's harassment, not discipline.

BOLLING: The money?

PERINO: Maybe we should have had more discipline.

GUILFOYLE: No, it's like money in the swear jar or something. Bob does.

BECKEL: The discipline you're talking about, detention on Saturdays, it costs the school a lot of money for those things.

GUILFOYLE: There's a movie about that.

TANTAROS: You're right.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: To sir with love.

TANTAROS: Eating potatoes, and eating Ding Dongs.

BOLLING: In our packet, also, there's a school apparently where the teachers and parents have to agree with this, that they can actually hang signs on kids.

PERINO: No, this is a parent. It was just one parent who was tired of the kid, the 15-year-old boy coming home all the time with a 1.2 grade point average. And she was going to make him wear a sign on the side of the road that basically said, "I'm a loser and I need better grades."

BOLLING: Can I give you a quick story?

GUILFOYLE: I don't like that.

PERINO: Why is Bob laughing so hard?

BOLLING: Why are you laughing?

BECKEL: It was something that Andrea said. I'm sorry.

TANTAROS: And then he laughs, then I laugh.

PERINO: And I've been trying to hold it together and I only have three seconds left.

BECKEL: You always do hold it together.

PERINO: Not really.

BECKEL: You do, you hold this crowd together because, particularly when Greg and I go at it. You keep us out of the FCC. I want to thank you for that.

GUILFOYLE: We should have detention for "The Five" for bad behavior. You would be there.

PERINO: What if we had to be here on Saturdays? You might have to be here on Saturdays. You have to apologize to everybody.

TANTAROS: It was like a classroom. I said ding dong and Bob giggled.

PERINO: Ding dong.

BECKEL: No, it was -- never mind.

PERINO: Ding dong, we're out of here.

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