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Exclusive: Buchanan fires back at being 'blacklisted' from MSNBC

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," February 17, 2012. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: Left-wing news organization MSNBC has announced that it has parted ways with Patrick J. Buchanan, who was one of the few conservative voices on that network. Now, the former presidential candidate had been serving a four-month suspension after liberals expressed outrage over some of the material in his latest book "Suicide of a Superpower." In a statement released last night, MSNBC said, quote, "After 10 years, we have decided to part ways with Pat Buchanan. We wish him well." And of course, liberals including those at Media Matters are breathlessly applauding that news today.

Joining me now exclusively right here on "Hannity" to tell his side of the story is the author of "Suicide of a Superpower," Patrick J. Buchanan. Sir, I guess we could say, permanently out of exile.

PATRICK J. BUCHANAN, AUTHOR, "SUICIDE OF A SUPERPOWER": Well, I think Seal Team 6 has extricated me, Sean, but I can't give up the details of it.

HANNITY: OK. Fair enough. I understand that. It looks like that you're at a book event that you're doing there with a pretty big crowd as I understand.

BUCHANAN: Right.

HANNITY: All right. Let me -- let's get into this a little bit. When you came on this program, and you have been involved, just to give some history here. You were involved in one of the pioneer debate cable shows and cable, which was called "Crossfire." On that program, just remind people, who were the people you would interview over those year years?

BUCHANAN: I'll tell you, Sean. We brought on, because what we wanted to do is introduce people to America that they have never heard, they just read about. We brought in Meyer Kahani (ph), we brought in Irv Rubin of the JDL. David Duke came on the air. Minister Farrakhan who clearly could fill up Yankee stadium. They all had what people said are extreme ideas. But my idea in journalism was people should hear this. They should see this ideas confronted and challenged in real debate. And the show what the highest rated show on cable for years and years. Of course, we only had CNN. But that is my idea of journalism. What bothers me about what is going on now Sean, is this. It is quite clear that the people of Media Matters and the others are saying, what Buchanan says, doesn't deserve to be heard. We don't want to challenge it. It simply should be purged from the air. And all of these groups that I think, I think they're engaged in a blacklist, Sean. The blacklist of conservative and traditionalist thought.

HANNITY: Well, and it's on the heels of this investigative journalism by the Daily Caller about Media Matters. And enemies list, corroboration with the White House that they are confirming. Targeting the Fox News Channel because it allows some conservative voices on here. So, I think, we are really getting to the root of an organized campaign to smear, slander, stigmatize, destroy and ultimately silence conservative voices. Do you think that is part of this?

BUCHANAN: I think this is exactly what we're dealing with. There are elements in our society and they are predominantly on the hard left that say, it's no longer enough to challenge and contradict and defeat or fight these fellows in argument. We got to smear them, stigmatize them as racist, or homophobic. And then we've got to silence and sensor them. And the way we do it is go after the media outlets that put them on the air. They go after your newspapers and carry your column, say drop him or you are a racist like he is. Or get him off your network otherwise we're going to go after the advertisers. And they work behind closed doors, Sean. Because as I wrote today, as Al Smith said, nothing un-American can live in the sunlight. And this is un-American what is going on right now. And I commend quite frankly, I commend Tucker Carlson for the fight he and the Daily Caller are putting on.

HANNITY: Yes, I do, too. You know, when your book came out, I've watch you all those years on "Crossfire." You've worked for NBC now for a decade, Pat. This is -- your views were not exactly unknown to them prior to you coming on that network. And I don't think there was any shortage of liberals there, Pat to counter your arguments or debate with you or disagree with you. As a matter of fact, you know, I would think that, you know, you are the one lone voice that I can actually think of with a different point of view in many ways. But in seriousness, I read your writings. I watched you on "Crossfire." I watched you over the years, interviewed you over the years. I don't see that your views have changed. So, what happened here?

BUCHANAN: Well, you know, well, Sean, this is the thing. Clearly, when I was with Richard Nixon and we won 49 states in the White House and I was with Ronald Reagan and we won 49 states, Buchanan's views could be fairly considered I think, center right, as pretty much where the country was at or the majority of the country. I haven't moved at all. And the fact that the views I held in and express which did very well in elections and I express when I did well in the two elections, '92 and '96, in the Republican primaries with three million votes, there are no longer to certain people, they not only dislike and detest these views, they say the American people can't hear them. Should not hear them. And Sean, you got to ask yourself what is their problem? They can't be afraid of me. I'm not going to be president of the United States. I'm not going to be a senator. They are afraid of the ideas we express because they fear the people. They are afraid people will listen and say wait a minute, maybe that fellow has a point. And then there is what I call the smelly little orthodoxies are in peril.

HANNITY: You know, it's funny, Pat, because even the years that I have known you, and interviewed you, I mean, we had a couple of knockdown drag-out fights you might recall over the Iraq war. Once you wrote a column, I think you said, amen corner, talking about the -- those in Congress that support Israel. I didn't like that comment. But we had a debate about it. And now we're at the point where I guess that debate has gone. I don't see that your writings have changed. But in your last book, you did have a chapter, the end of white America. And to what extent was that chapter title -- which you say has a history where you got it from -- do you think it had an impact on it, what did you mean by that title?

BUCHANAN: Well, the point is, it was the year 2042 people had talked about where the European majority in the country, the white majority would be a minority. Now, there was a cover story in the Atlantic titled "The End of White America." And this fellow who was a professor celebrated it. Bill Clinton went out to Portland State and said, hey, by 2050, there's going to be no racial majority in the country and everybody applauded. And so, I took up that issue and I said, wait a minute, it's not known for sure that this is going to be beneficial because I don't know a country in this day and age whether there is no ethnic majority that is not in danger of coming apart. And my question is, why can't everybody else celebrate this and say it's wonderful and I can't even write about it without being blacklisted? I think again --

HANNITY: But I guess a lot of people -- and I asked you this at the time your book came out. And they say, the end of White America, you said, oh that somehow you are saying, well, that's a negative. And meaning that would be an attack against minorities. What specifically though -- go ahead.

BUCHANAN: Well, all right, let me turn it around. I asked somebody on radio, I said, why is this going to be a better country than the country I grew up in? When people like me are now a minority in a country where the majority rules? I don't know why they say this is going to be better when there is going to be a smaller percentage of white folks.

HANNITY: But are you talking --

BUCHANAN: They are the ones who are -- go ahead.

HANNITY: I don't mean to interrupt you. Are you talking about the Judeo-Christian ethic? Is it more about culture and not about race? And if it's more about culture, why don't you say culturally America is changing and not bring up the race issue?

BUCHANAN: Well, because I am bringing up the ethnic issue. And you can often see this better, by looking at foreign countries, 1992, '93, '94, what happened? We saw Yugoslavia sprinter apart into seven different countries by the new century. And they pulled apart on the basis of ethnicity and religion and culture. But in that same period, there was two separate countries that came together. Germany, the West Germans reached out and spent $1 trillion to bring their brethren home. Now, if you remove the ethnic core of a country, let's say, France, it's only 50 percent native Frenchmen in France. I think you imperil the unity of the country and the culture which comes out of the religion.

If the religion goes and the culture goes and the ethnic core go and the language goes, and they've got all languages and all groups and many religions, what holds people together? I know what held us together. But this is what Congressman Lee Hamilton said. The centripetal forces that hold us together are disintegrating. And all of the forces pulling us apart are growing stronger. Now my point is that an ethnic core, in other words, the fact that we were a western and European people predominantly and we had 10 percent African-Americans, this was one of the strengths of this country as well as the culture.

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