THE FIVE

Biden Using Scare Tactics to Sell Jobs Plan?

Vice president goes on the attack

 

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 19, 2011. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: It's not unusual for this administration to scare the American people in to supporting their agenda. This comes from Joe Biden this time. He was in Philadelphia pushing the president's jobs plan when he gave this extreme reason to pass the bill. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VICE PRESIDENT JOSEPH BIDEN: Well let me tell you, it's not temporary when that 911 call comes in and a woman's being raped if a cop shows up in time to prevent the rape, it's not temporary to that woman.

It's not temporary to the guy whose store is being held up and there's a gun pointed at his head, if a cop shows up and he's not killed. That's not temporary to that store owner. Give me a break! Temporary! I wished these guys who thought it's temporary, I wish they had some notion what it's like to be on the other side of a gun, or a 200-pound man standing over you and telling you to submit.

Folks, it matters! It matters!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: So weird.

BOLLING: You're right, Kim. What is he doing?

GUILFOYLE: What is he doing? How is it OK? It's inappropriate. He's making that comparison. I mean, it's just

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: He didn't seem like himself.

GUILFOYLE: No, he seems sort of more out there than normal. I don't know how that's an asset by the way, going into reelection, but whatever.

PERINO: It's like a tortured metaphor.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: It was. He actually made me look good.

PERINO: The other thing that is strange is crime has gone down on their watch. The recession has continued gotten worse, crime has actually gone down. Sociologists and criminologists really don't know why that could be.

So, it doesn't even make sense what he is talking about.

BOLLING: Scare tactics -- the usual tactic.

Remember the ad pushing the old people over the cliff? This is another form of that. Worried that someone is going to fire cops and firemen?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Yes, sure. Let me say this -- unequivocally, without question, I agree with every word he just said. Every word -- seriously. And I'll tell you why.

Wait a second -- in the jobs bill, there is money to maintain or hire police in a lot of communities around this country, and if you don't have enough cops to handle these things something like that could happen. It's not funny. It's not funny.

BOLLING: Does anyone believe that --

GUTFELD: You can argue that Biden actually made the world more dangerous by telling people that they are going to be less cops out there.

BECKEL: There will be less cops. That's a bottom line fact.

PERINO: But the whole point --

BECKEL: That without this bill --

BOLLING: It's not a bottom line fact. You can't just say it's a bottom line fact.

BECKEL: In the bill, it has bills to hire police and fire responders and teachers. Now -- or to keep their job. Now, that's a fact.

BOLLING: And the insinuation is, if you don't pass the bill, something is going to happen.

BECKEL: That is right. That is right. It tells you what the Republicans are willing to do to beat Barack Obama. They're willing to do anything.

PERINO: It is not why he first -- when they first introduced the bill, he said he was going to introduce a bill to help stimulate and create jobs. They did not say we are going to take the taxpayers money in order to help protect police officers and teachers from losing their job.

BECKEL: Sure they did.

PERINO: No, he didn't.

BECKEL: Of course they did.

PERINO: No, they have evolved.

BOLLING: And also, guys, can we throw this out there? Four billion of the $447 billion at least from the original plan was earmarked for cops and fire -- 1 percent -- 1 little percent.

BECKEL: That 1 percent is a lot of money.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: I just want to say something really quick. This is the same thing that they used, the same tactic over and over. How many times that you heard this, they scare you about there's not going to be -- public safety problems, there's not going to be no cops, they're not going to have teachers, no firemen. All the same thing, just like they did with the Obamacare and pushing granny over the cliff.

It's the same thing. It's like Halloween fright night every time.

BECKEL: When I was doing campaigns, we would scare every senior citizen we could. The Social Security was going, and then my mother used to call me and say, there are not Social Security. I'd say, mom, you go vote Democratic on Tuesday with your friends.

PERINO: You scare your own mother.

BOLLING: Listen, guys, this is a huge, this came out today from the U.S. Census. It turns out that Washington, D.C. now, Dana, is the wealthiest suburb in America right now.

BECKEL: Suburb?

BOLLING: Yes, the highest metropolitan area --

PERINO: Surrounding area of which --

BOLLING: The average federal employee $126,000 all in. The average across America, all in, median income, 50 grand.

BECKEL: What's that got to do with what we're talking about?

BOLLING: Because here's what it has to do -- go ahead, Dana.

PERINO: What's interesting is that today on the floor of the Senate, U.S. majority leader of the Senate, Harry Reid, said that the public sector is suffering more than the private sector. This is obvious that they're shedding all of these jobs.

Now, we get this today that it's not only that the federal government has 170,000 employees, let's just say that that's fine. Average salary is $126,000. This is where the anger starts to come in.

Occupy Wall Street should take their show on the road down to Washington, D.C.

BECKEL: Talk about leaders, minority leader, the wonderful Mitch McConnell who is so full of stuff I can't believe it. He's the guy who says -- he attacks Obama for being on the road with his bus, on his jobs tour. In the meantime, and he says that he is politicizing the whole jobs issue. In the meantime, this is the same Mitch McConnell who said two years ago on the record, my job -- my only job is defeat Barack Obama for a second term.

PERINO: He didn't say that --

BECKEL: McConnell ought to shut his mouth and go to work.

PERINO: This is something Democrats starting to do.

BECKEL: Are you defending McConnell?

PERINO: Yes, I am. And Mitch McConnell did not say that two years ago.

BECKEL: He did, too.

PERINO: He said it in December of 2010, after two years of Obama.

BECKEL: Did he say it? Did he not or didn't he say it?

PERINO: He said that his job is defeat the --

BECKEL: The minority leader of the Senate said that's his job is defeat the president of the United States.

PERINO: The Democrats in the White House has started to say McConnell said that at the beginning of President Obama's --

BECKEL: It was closer.

PERINO: No, it wasn't. It was of December of 2010.

BECKEL: I'm not so sure about that.

BOLLING: Greg, let me ask you. Bob points out, we don't have a lot of time, but this bus tour, Obama called it official --

GUTFELD: It's a campaign tour.

BOLLING: Would Michelle Obama be meeting him if it was official presidential business in Virginia?

GUTFELD: It's clearly a campaign tour. Why does everybody drink sweet tea on the road? Every politician -- is that code for whiskey?

BECKEL: Every political trip is a political trip, OK? Just so you understand.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: We're out of time.

BOLLING: Next block maybe.

BECKEL: Yes, maybe next block.

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