THE FIVE

Monitoring Muslim Student Groups

Should NYPD be investigating organizations?

 

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 11, 2011. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: So the Associated Press has been hammering the NYPD for infiltrating Muslim student groups. Now professors are saying it's a violation of privacy. To them, I say pipe down, professors.

First of all, how is this any different than the police who busted them by going undercover in Italian communities? Hollywood made movies out of that. Do you think cops actually like this kind of work? Infiltrate a Muslim student group? Sit in a drab room listening to students? I'd kill myself. Yet, the cops are the real heroes. They bore themselves to death with education majors in order to prevent our own destruction.

And let's not forget that the council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR for you acronym fans, has called for Senate hearings, which means the infiltrations must be working. They are according to NYPD chief Raymond Kelly, they helped thwart 13 plots on the city since 9/11. Kelly's reward -- sitting through a city hearing, forced to defend his anti-terror achievements. He refused to apologize, and why should he? If one of the plots went off, these hearings would not exist, which means in the NYPD were actually bad at their job, they wouldn't be getting punished for being so good at it now. I think that made sense.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I got it.

GUTFELD: Dana, you win the first question award. Should we lauding the cops instead of investigate them?

PERINO: Absolutely. Interesting day for the story to be out in the AP, because it's the day that Attorney General Eric Holder helped us uncover a plot, and announced it that -- this is Iranian infiltration from the Iranian government. Students you might think are a little different but think back to 9/11. How many of those terrorists were students? And I'm not -- I think that the -- I'm always on the side of the cops.

GUTFELD: Yes. Cops don't want to do this.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Of course.

GUTFELD: They don't want to do this.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: A couple of months ago they got a tip of a drug ring of Columbia University. So they investigated and did surveillance technique of the same thing and they busted a drug ring. Here --

GUTFELD: I was against that, by the way.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: So was Bob. They got a tip there was a student that he said he had a desire to be a martyr. I think that is a pretty darn good reason to investigate.

PERINO: They said he was thinking of committing suicide, it would be all hands on deck to make sure it doesn't happen.

BECKEL: You guys so blindly follow police. I put I support the local cops so if they stop me they might give me a break on the tickets.

GUTFELD: Not anymore now that you said that.

BECKEL: But they did not go in a high school and look for John Gotti, they never got that far. This is students you're talking about. It's infiltrating an educational institution. Maybe they got 13, maybe they didn't. Kelly is little loose with the facts. But the fact of the matter is, you shouldn't investigate people in their school.

BOLLING: These were college students. By the way, why do you have a problem with the NYPD trying to infiltrate potential terror cells? It's what they should be doing.

BECKEL: If they have evidence, take it to a judge and the judge says fine, they should do it.

PERINO: Then we're all in agreement.

BECKEL: No, we're not all in agreement. He thinks --

BOLLING: I think they should have access. CAIR was trying to sue the NYPD because if the NYPD was going in mosques preemptively and listening in.

BECKEL: Why don't you go to a judge and say I have evidence. Here it is. And he'll say fine, do you investigation.

TANTAROS: A New York City judge is going to go "Sure, fine." I don't think so.

BECKEL: If you want to rip the constitution, go ahead.

PERINO: Where do your civil liberties end and my right to be protected begin. And I think that's what the NYPD has been trying to balance it.

GUTFELD: And we should support them.

Briefly, you brought up these individual suspects, and I think they actually have, we have pictures of the guys that have been arrested?

Correct? The Iranian-American.

PERINO: We had a sketch.

GUTFELD: There he is.

BECKEL: That's a damn good sketch.

GUTFELD: Best I've ever seen.

BOLLING: You want to protect his individual rights and don't want to listen in to what he says?

BECKEL: This guy used to drink with me.

GUTFELD: You probably did drink with him.

Speaking of Iran, we've been following the case of this Iranian pastor who is facing a possible death sentence, but he has been referred to the supreme leader because of the international pressure.

PERINO: He was Muslim and converted to Christianity.

GUTFELD: They're going to execute him.

PERINO: That is punishable by death in Iran. Iranians are coming under tremendous worldwide pressure, maybe not enough. And hopefully they will do the right thing.

GUTFELD: Are we supposed to be grateful they don't kill him?

BECKEL: This is a serious issue since the Arab spring. The Christian community in the Middle East that were protected when Mubarak was there, they burned the church, the church burned down and a lot of tension. There is I think some vulnerability across the board for Christians throughout the Middle East. That is dangerous. We have enough problems with the Chinese refusing to allow Christianity to flourish there. I for one think it's the biggest threat of all from the Arab spring, is you don't --

TANTAROS: This is probably the first and only time I will ever say this. You just took the words out of my mouth. That's what I was going to say about the Coptic Christians. That will never happen again.

GUTFELD: What if they do kill him? What would we do?

BOLLING: I'm not sure. I agree with people on the left of the screen now. It's the way they handle this when the two hikers that ventured, found their way to Iran and Ahmadinejad said I'd take million bucks -- three of them, $1.5 million and let all three go. They will hand this over to the Supreme Court leader. They probably said back off. This is ours.

This is a scary group.

BOLLING: If you could pronounce the two Iranians you can't say Bob and Andrea as opposed to those on the left of the screen?

PERINO: I'd like to make one last point that is serious. This is serious. Religious tolerance and freedom is something to defend. But women's rights is something, we hear sometimes about women who might be stoned because they were alleged to have committed adultery. Hopefully worldwide pressure will be brought to bear.

BECKEL: Greg, you're supposed to tease, now.

GUTFELD: Thanks, Bob. You are like the tease hall monitor.

(LAUGHTER)

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