THE FIVE

Does America Need Less Democracy?

Gov. Perdue's comments under fire

 

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 28, 2011. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: North Carolina's Governor Bev Perdue has an idea how to fix the economy. The Democrat says America should -- get this -- suspend congressional elections for the next couple years so Congress can focus on creating jobs, you know, rather than that pesky constitutional requirement to re-elect these bozos every so often. The governor's office is now saying it was all joke.

But listen to her comments and decide for yourself.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

GOV. BEV PERDUE, D-N.C.: You have to have more ability from Congress, I think, to work together and to get over the party bickering and focus on fixing things. I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, election for Congress for two years and just tell them we won't hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right. Bob, right to you. America thoroughly fed up with clowns in D.C. Approval ratings in single digits, yet your liberal comrades suggest usurping this document, the Constitution, again, to what --

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: I'll ask you a question before you say it --

BOLLING: Yes?

BECKEL: It is the Democrats and Republicans in Congress that they don't like. I know Beverly Perdue. Beverly Perdue is a friend of mine. Beverly Perdue is not a Rhodes scholar.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Beverly Perdue is not going to win re-election.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: And she's no longer your friend after you just said that.

BECKEL: She is a nice lady.

But I also want to say that Andrea's boyfriend sent a twit here at the break saying that my shirts were cheap and he has a lot of money, and I don't care what you think. Now, OK.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I will say this, sitting across from you, I think you should be dealing blackjack. Or --

BECKEL: I deal blackjack every day I sit at this table.

Now, let me put it this way. Beverly Perdue obviously said that. I mean, they walked it back handily. But it's not -- look, I mean, she may be on to something. Maybe better the entire Congress disappears and maybe with some jobs.

BOLLING: Dana, Peter Orszag says, how about less democracy. I mean, it's not just Bev Perdue.

BECKEL: Can we put that in context?

PERINO: Peter Orszag was President Obama's Office of Management and Budget director for the first couple of years, on the campaign as well. He since left and he works for Citigroup and he writes a column for Bloomberg and he also wrote a special column for National Review, in which he talked a little about maybe we're just -- kind of like what Tom Friedman said in The New Republic, excuse me -- gosh, National Review, I read that every day. How dare I sully it?

The -- so, Tom Friedman of The New York Times has said something similar to what Peter Orszag said. And he said it kind off the cuff, on a TV show one time, if we just could be China for a day. Think of all the things that we could get done.

BECKEL: Yes.

PERINO: Now, everybody is a little bit guilty of this, including some of the CEOs that we're talking about in the first block because they are saying how much easier it is to do business there, how much easier it would be to get things done. You could approve a bridge. You could get, you know --

BECKEL: Yes.

BOLLING: Yes, regulations.

PERINO: Author things about it.

BECKEL: If you took those CEO that we put out there at beginning, most -- all of them took all the American jobs and took them to China, which I'm not sure is a Democratic thing to do.

PERINO: Charles Schwab?

BECKEL: Yes, Schwab's got offices all over China.

PERINO: OK. American jobs to China?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: The media feels that it's patriotic and that it's good to have differences of opinion unless, of course, you're losing. And that's what's happening here.

And I do think that -- I think that Governor Perdue might have been joking, but she was thinking out loud. And everybody knows you should never think out loud.

TANTAROS: Right.

BECKEL: She wasn't joking.

GUTFELD: No, no, he was talking about forming committees filled with people who will agree with him.

BECKEL: No, no, it's not that. It's just that you could have a Congress where you have a bunch of no-players, Republicans who don't want a government to work. Then --

BOLLING: What would we end up with, Andrea, we end up with a Congress

that would --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: -- bigger and bigger government?

TANTAROS: That's what the president's already said. I mean, just a couple of weeks ago, he was in front of La Raza and he was frustrated about not being able to get immigration done. So, he said I'd love to be able to work my way around.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Fifty Tea Party --

PERINO: Wait, wait, wait. Democrats were in charge of Congress from 2006 to 2010 and they didn't recommend that we didn't have elections until they lost.

GUTFELD: When you're losing --

BECKEL: When they try to put bills through like immigration, the Republicans filibuster.

GUTFELD: Let me just say, it's when you are losing you bring up polarization. And polarization is code for people who disagree with me. And that's code for people who watch Fox News.

BECKEL: Polarization?

BOLLING: There is polarization.

GUTFELD: It's only polarization when you're losing.

BOLLING: Mr. Obama talked to La Raza and then he went ahead and did go, in fact, to usurp the document here, the Constitution, and provide backdoor amnesty for 300,000 --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Why do 86 percent of the people in this country, poll after poll, want to see Democrats and Republicans find common ground and yet, they refuse to do it?

PERINO: No, but wait, common ground can't be just what you want. I mean, the Democrats --

BECKEL: No, no, common ground -- making concession on both sides.

PERINO: But, look, the Democrats won in 2006. President Obama won in 2008. They got what they wanted. They got the stimulus bill, they got the healthcare bill. They got Dodd-Frank.

And now, they are mad because they say there is a do-nothing Congress?

BECKEL: And they can't get immigration reform.

PERINO: There's not even a bill.

BECKEL: They can't get anything except to put up with the Tea Party nose.

TANTAROS: What Perdue said and what Orszag said, maybe Perdue stuck her foot in her mouth big time was, yes, basically, get rid of Congress, get rid of these elections, and we could get more things done. But look, it's not "give me liberty" unless we have a debt crisis. We have elections for a reason. If we would haven't them, we'd probably have --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Give me liberty, just give me no tea. That's all.

BOLLING: Oh, c'mon, Bob. And, Greg, we get more things done, but the things would be bigger government, more entitlement.

GUTFELD: They would be bad things.

BECKEL: Why do you say that?

GUTFELD: No, there's finally competition in politics. And they want to take their ball and go home. Give me some advice.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Yes, Bob.

BECKEL: There are fewer federal employees today than when Barack Obama took office.

BOLLING: That is absolutely incorrect.

BECKEL: That is absolutely true.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I bet you $10,000.

BOLLING: I'll bet you -- let's do this right. I'll bet you dinner. OK?

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: It doesn't include contractors.

BOLLING: Oh! More federal employees now --

BECKEL: No, no, employees.

BOLLING: I'll tell you what? The loser can pick the other person's shirt the following day.

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: That's good.

BECKEL: What are you? Are you getting in cahoots with him? What is wrong with this shirt?

GUTFELD: Don't forget the governor (INAUDIBLE).

BOLLING: Is that a deal? Are we betting?

BECKEL: Yes, we'll bet on that. Not contractors.

BOLLING: More federal employees. That's all we're going on this.

BECKEL: Definition of federal employee --

BOLLING: Greg, more federal employees or fewer federal employees, you'll be the judge, will you?

GUTFELD: I actually say there might be fewer.

BOLLING: But will you judge this contest for us?

GUTFELD: Sure.

BOLLING: All right. By the way, Bob, your Democrats, and Bev Perdue, Article 1 of the Constitution requires elections and votes.

Coming up, health care premium is skyrocketing.

BECKEL: You carry that to bed at night?

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Now, it costs more than a new car. I'm sorry. But get this. You should already be paying those higher premiums.

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