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Casey Anthony Foreman: 'She Has Issues She'll Battle Forever'

Juror No. 11 reflects on Casey Anthony, 'disgust' over signing the verdict form, mood in the jury room and more

 

This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," July 13, 2011. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: We all saw it, Casey Anthony crying several times during her trial. But were they real tears? Did they have an impact on the jury? What was it like for the jurors to sign off on that not guilty verdict form? We asked Juror Number 11. Here is part three of our interview with the jury foreperson.

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VAN SUSTEREN: Did she look at you at all? Did she ever have any contact with the jury, sort of eye contact?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just quick eye contact they would make. We were sitting in front of her so it was going to happen.

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VAN SUSTEREN: What do you think she is like?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have no clue. As far as I know from what I've seen in evidence, I know from the videos that I've seen from her, when she's was in prison the pictures that were taken that were admitted into evidence, anything about her personality, I do think that she has issues she will battle forever, issues that I can't understand. I don't associate myself with people like that. I don't really know much about the personality of Casey Anthony. I just know from what I was able to see that she does have problems.

VAN SUSTEREN: It's interesting, because something you didn't hear and had nothing to do with the trial, but there were letters she wrote while in child, talked about having another child, which horrified people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. We didn't know anything about those.

VAN SUSTEREN: Your thought about it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I haven't given it much thought. So her writing in prison to other people, you know, I don't know what else you can do in prison. As far as the alleged pregnancy, again, that's something that really -- you know, it disgusts me.

VAN SUSTEREN: She didn't testify. She has a constitutional right not to testify, but everyone always wonders whether the jury thinks why didn't she testify if she didn't do anything. Was there any discussion about her not testifying?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was never brought up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you want to hear from her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You want to hear from the person that they are talking about for the six to eight weeks. But she has a right not to testify. S it would have been unproductive for any of us to dwell on that. There would be no reason for us to do that.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you see her cry?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yep.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did you think about that, genuine?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know. I think there were times when she was crying because -- I did think it was genuine when Lee was crying. That was a very heart wrenched, emotional point for Lee. And I thought that was genuine for her. But all of the others, I don't know what she is asked to do or told what to do. I don't know if she is the type of person that can cry on the drop of a dime when she needs to. So not something I weighed in to anything when it came time for us to come to a verdict.

VAN SUSTEREN: So this is pretty clinical in the sense look at the evidence, look at verdict form?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You look at the verdict form, you look at your notes, and you look at the evidence, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you ever feel sorry for her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Not once?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not once.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you ever feel sorry for George?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. As far as -- I feel sorry for the fact that now here they are left to pick up the pieces. You have to keep in mind and keep in perspective that there is -- their granddaughter is deceased. And I feel sorry for them in that aspect.

What sits with me, what bothers me the most is the fact that they -- nobody made the effort. I say "they," them, who, one or two, whoever, maybe made the effort to get ahold of somebody.

VAN SUSTEREN: Cindy made the 911 call when she found out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cindy is different. Cindy was never one that we thought had any point in the matter. But, the others did. And that's what we -- that's a shame. That's why I was saying before there really should be something in place where we can -- that can be punishable. Serious, not misdemeanor, something serious so they can be punished because of that.

VAN SUSTEREN: Any disgust for anyone in particular?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I'll tell you what, when I had to sign off on the indictments, there was --

VAN SUSTEREN: You mean the verdict.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The verdict, yes, when I had to sign off on the verdict, the sheet that was given to me, there was a feeling of disgust that came across me knowing that my signature and her signature were going to be there on the same sheet. I do have a disgust for -- I don't want to name names, but for people in the family, I do. There's issues that go on that I don't -- I can't really discuss. But yes, there is a sense of disgust, by all means.

VAN SUSTEREN: What about the meter reader? What do you think happened? You think that he had anything to do with moving the remains? Did he see the remains in August, really? What do you make of all that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know what to make of Roy Kronk. I know the defense pushed the issue with him. I just -- there wasn't much time spent on him for us to really generate a feeling towards Roy Kronk. I do think that he did -- he stated that he did remove the remains at a time. He picked the bag up. At one point a skull came out.

VAN SUSTEREN: You don't think he moved it from the house?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. There's nothing that puts him in that house. There's nothing that shows consistently he was involved in the Anthony family. So that was not something that I really took in consideration. But again, we don't know. There's such a gray area there. But he was not one that I put in that mix on those days.

VAN SUSTEREN: I understand it has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and you don't if there was an accident or murder.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

VAN SUSTEREN: But what is your suspicion how that child got from the home to where the remains are found?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It wasn't very far. Whether she was put in the trunk of Casey's car, there is a good possibility of that. Again, it's a suspicion. Was she put in that car and then taken out of that car and then put in another? We don't know the whole process of going from the house to the corner of Suburban Drive, around the corner to the spot on Suburban Drive.

So, I wish there was something that can tell us that as to how that really happened. Who put the body in the car? How they put the body in the car? What happened to the body before it was put in the car? Those are issues we don't know.

VAN SUSTEREN: When you signed the verdict in the verdict room and said all right, let's go, let's tell the deputy we are ready to go, what was it like in the room?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was tough.

VAN SUSTEREN: Meaning what?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Silence. I was very silent. There's a lot of time from the time when I knocked on that door, to the time that we actually out there was a lot of time. And it was just a very, very somber, just silent, quiet moment for all of us.

I wanted to -- I tried to close my eyes and relax, and I really couldn't. I had a lot of people go through and check to make sure everything was filled out right on it, make sure the date was right, that the appropriate box was checked just to -- for my own comfort.

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