THE FIVE

Bachmann a Lightning Rod for Left's Anger?

GOP presidential candidate faces personal attacks

 

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 12, 2011. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, FOX NEWS ANALYST: Now on to the personal attack by one Minnesota lawmaker to another in their home state. There is a lot to talk about when it comes to Congressman Keith Ellison's comments about GOP presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann at recent youth conference. Listen to what he's accusing her and other Republican -- quote -- "extremists" of.

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REP. KEITH ELLISON, D-MINN.: I recently hosted a forum in my district called Women's Rights in the Era of Extremism. And this is an era of extremism. These same people who want to shrink government until you can drown in a bathtub also want mom to get back in the kitchen and take her shoes off and get pregnant. Do you understand? They are offended by a strong, powerful woman.

And here's the sad part, some of them are women themselves. Michele Bachmann is being an example.

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TANTAROS: All right. Let's react here. Keith Ellison does not have a leg to stand on. First of all, let me point out, Michele Bachmann has a masters in taxation law. She basically has two careers, as an accountant, masters in taxation law, five kids, 23 foster kids.

Bolling, what do you make of this?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: The only extremist rhetoric was Keith Ellison. First of all, here's a guy who is the exact polar opposite of Michele Bachmann. You know, she's the Tea Party Caucus chair, he is the Progressive chair.

Look, they're both from Minnesota. Michele Bachmann, if anyone isn't the married and pregnant and doesn't condone or have an opinion of women being married and pregnant in the kitchen is Michele Bachmann -- like you said, a law degree, advanced law degree, started a business, raised 23 foster kids, five kids of her own.

TANTAROS: It's absurd what he is saying.

BOLLING: Look -- started a business. Look, she's got to be outraged. I feel bad for her --

(CROSSTALK)

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: You know, it probably would have been better for Ellison to use some other words. But if I can say that Michele Bachmann ought to be careful about things she said. Do we have the quote of Michele Bachmann about the submissive wives? Can we run it for a second? This is what Michele Bachmann said.

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REP. MICHELE BACHMANN, R-MINN.: Now, you need to go and get a post-doctorate degree in tax law. Tax law? I hate taxes. Why should I go and do something like that? But the Lord says, be submissive, wives be submissive to your husbands.

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BECKEL: Now, frankly, when you say things like that, I know she was quoting the Bible, but the fact of the matter is, you leave yourself open slightly.

BOLLING: So, you are saying that Ellison said that because she made this comment, what, five years ago?

TANTAROS: Suddenly it's justified?

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I said that I didn't think Ellison was justified in saying what he said. I'm just saying that when you start to get loose with things like that, you're going to open yourself up to these kinds of things.

TANTAROS: Bob, you said you wish your ex-wife was more submissive.

BECKEL: No, no. No, I haven't.

TANTAROS: Yes, you have.

BECKEL: Listen, I got in trouble talking about my ex-wife. Can we please -- my ex-mother-in-law called me. That was scary.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: It's kind of rich coming from Ellison who is a Muslim and there are plenty of Muslim countries out there that if Michele Bachmann was doing what she was doing would be killed.

TANTAROS: Oh, absolutely.

GUTFELD: So, the hypocrisy is pretty high. And that quote he said about wanting to shrink the government until you can drown in a bathtub, that's pretty florid language I might add. What is he talking about?

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: The media is going bananas for Bachmann. If it's not trying to paint her as Miss Little House on the Prairie, right? We have Bill Maher telling Piers Morgan some pretty controversial things about Michele Bachmann. Let's take a listen.

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PIERS MORGAN, CNN: If you had a choice, a gun to your head, which one is it, Palin or Bachmann?

BILL MAHER, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I would need a gun to my head. I hope Sarah Palin gets in so that they split the MILF vote.

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BECKEL: Uh!

TANTAROS: There you go.

Dana?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: It's disgusting and it's constant and it would be nice if there were a liberal that would stand up and say that enough is enough. I also think that the Michele Bachmann quote, the clip that we just played could have been taken out of context. I don't know sure if it was or not. But I've gotten to know her a little bit over the past little while. I know a lot of conservative women. Hell, I am a conservative woman. And I got to serve at the highest level of the government as White House press secretary, along with many other women in the conservative Bush administration.

And so, their comments are hard to swallow. And again, it would be nice if someone were to stand up on the liberal side like the National Organization of Women.

TANTAROS: I'm not holding my breath for the National Organization of Women.

BECKEL: Here's a liberal willing to stand up and say that that was way over the top because I know what "MILF" means. I don't know if the rest of you know what MILF means, it's a pretty racy comment because -- well, it's --

TANTAROS: What is it, Bob? Is it insecurity? Is it misogyny? Why is the left --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: No, it's Mothers, I -- oh, sorry. I think, look, conservative women have got -- there is a double standard. I'll agree with you. Liberal woman, if that would have said about liberal woman, we'd have gone whoever's house it was, burned it down and hung whoever it was by their cojones. I mean --

TANTAROS: Thank you for actually being honest.

BECKEL: But it's true. But I will just say this, that you have to be careful, again, of setting yourself up on these things, knowing full well you're going to have a double standard against you.

PERINO: That is ridiculous, to say that women have to be self- muzzling. And besides, I do think that quote was taken out of context. This is a woman who pretty puts her pants on just like Keith Ellison does, and she got elected to Congress so did he. And the fact that he feels that he can treat her like that, it's outrageous.

BOLLING: Can you imagine for a minute if anyone generalized or characterized Muslim or Islam the way he generalized and characterized --

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Forget about it. It would be a national scandal.

BOLLING: They would be up in arms. We'd all over the headlines.

PERINO: And also --

BOLLING: The phone would not stop ringing.

TANTAROS: And don't forget, remember, candidate's spouses are off limits. Everyone goes up in arms when you go after their spouses. Now, we have the media going after Michele Bachmann's spouse. So, we have this video that was provided to us by Truth Wins Out. They actually went undercover into Michele Bachmann, her husband's clinic and they tried to do a little reconnaissance to see if he is trying to, quote, "pray away the gay" and counsel homosexuals to try and I guess renounce homosexuality and become straight. I mean, this is what the left is doing now. They're trying to take the jobs, economy election and turn it into an issue about gay marriage.

BECKEL: Wait, wait, wait. If this -- how many shows have I gone on on Fox in the last year where I have seen the same undercover movie by these punks trying to catch ACORN on a prostitute thing? So, I don't buy into that. But I will say this --

TANTAROS: I do.

BOLLING: Bob, they were catching ACORN doing illegal things. I mean, this undercover video is just a hit piece. They're trying to get him to say something.

BECKEL: ACORN couldn't organize a two-car funeral let alone do something illegal.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Bob --

BECKEL: Let's not talk over here, let me make my point. My point was going to be that I think that you have to -- when I was running campaigns, I always said the spouse was off-limit and for two reasons. One is, it's the right thing to do. And second, it's dangerous to get into that because it's going to come back to bite you.

Anybody who decides to bring a spouse -- unless it's an illegal activity -- is doing a stupid campaign thing.

GUTFELD: But here's -- you got to make an exception here because the business that he's in is interesting. People, when they hear about an organization that "un-gays" people -- un-gays gays -- you want to know about it because, you know, as a guy who knows a lot of gay people, I can't un-gay them. The same way they can't un-straight me.

So, I'm curious --

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFIELD: People who have had tried to un-straighten me, usually at bars downtown, it never works.

But I have -- I want to know -- I want to know this stuff. It's more curious than what other spouses are doing.

TANTAROS: Well, Whoopi Goldberg was very curious yesterday on "The View," too. She had some harsh comments for Michele Bachmann for signing a pledge that had to do with slavery. Let's take a listen.

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WHOOPI GOLDBERG, "THE VIEW": I'm supposed to automatically assume there is something racial, but damn it, I am sick of this (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Could you people get your act together? You don't know anything about how slaves raised their kids or why people were together. Just don't add stuff like that if you don't know what you're talking about.

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TANTAROS: Now, the pledge that she signed, I will say this -- the pledge that she signed actually does somehow try to conflate slavery with single parenthood. I don't think that we should be trying to glorify slavery and compare it to anything in society.

BECKEL: Let me associate completely with Whoopi here. Do we have the quote that Michele Bachmann gave here about slavery? Miss Historical Accurate -- the one who got -- the fight -- we don't have it?

OK, this is the same woman that said the Revolutionary War started in New Hampshire and not in Concord, Massachusetts. And this woman said, you know what? Back in slavery times, at least the slave kids could be raised by two family, mother and father.

(CROSSTALK)

Wait a second, wait a second. Wait a second. And then she says, but now, black kids are raised by single -- how does she know that? First of all, mother and fathers were sold separately.

BOLLING: This was something that someone else wrote --

BECKEL: If I have -- let me have the quote. I cannot give you the quote.

PERINO: In matters, you have to -- you have to be aware of what you're signing and it matters and it can come back and it should come back.

TANTAROS: Great final -- great final point, Dana.

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