This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," November 24, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Tonight: Joran van der Sloot goes "On the Record," and he has a horrifying, shocking new story about what happened to Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared. Eighteen-year-old Natalee Holloway vanished on the island of Aruba on May 30, 2005. Now, since Natalee's disappearance, Van der Sloot has been arrested twice in connection to her disappearance but never charged with a crime.
Van der Sloot went "On the Record" with us in 2006, claiming he had left Natalee alone on a beach. Then in February of '08, Van der Sloot was shown on hidden tape saying that Natalee had collapsed on the beach and that he had disposed of her body.
Well, now his story changes again. Joran contacted us, claiming he wanted to tell us the truth about what happened that night. He produced as evidence three telephone conversations saved on a digital chip. Joran claims the recordings are conversations between his father and him. If authentic, the recording suggest that Joran told his father what happened to Natalee. On a weekend, we slipped away and we went halfway across the world to interview Joran van der Sloot.
Now, before you watch this interview, we need to warn you the greatest shock of all will come at the end of the hour, and you may or may not totally change your mind about this interview.
Now Joran van der Sloot goes "On the Record."
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VAN SUSTEREN: All right, Joran, here's what I need. We've licensed this chip from you and -- with some conversations. And when we took that chip and gave it to an expert, the expert was a little bit confused so I need to get the facts and circumstances around it so we can corroborate it so we can go out and investigate and do what you ultimately want and -- maybe I should ask you, what do you ultimately want out of this?
JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S DISAPPEARANCE: Oh, I guess for it just all to be over, for it just -- yes, that's it, just for me to be able to get on with everything and feel OK. That's what I ultimately would want out of it. And I know if you guys look into this that you're going to find out, I think, definitely with everything I gave, if you really go and look into it, you're going to stumble across something that will get you more answers. I'm sure about it. I know it.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Now, the chip -- is it -- are there three separate conversations on this chip?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, three separate conversations.
VAN SUSTEREN: When did they occur, and with whom are the conversations?
VAN DER SLOOT: They occurred about a month ago, I think, maybe longer, two months ago -- longer. And yes, about -- actually, about the person that the conversation's with, I don't actually really want to talk about. But yes, that's just -- I was just giving that to you for -- you know, to corroborate that you could actually see and have something to show to go look into this. That was my...
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, from what I understand from our first conversation -- and you know, I've got to make sure I really tie this down because in order for my network to continue to -- you know, to continue to let us investigate this story, I've got to have it really straight and nailed down. And you have told us now something that is very different from what we understood to have happened. And from the chip, is that there's a conversation with your father recorded. Actually, there are three conversations with your father recorded, right?
VAN DER SLOOT: It's three conversations.
VAN SUSTEREN: One was in January, about?
VAN DER SLOOT: They were in -- I don't know. I don't remember the month they were in.
VAN SUSTEREN: But it was this year?
VAN DER SLOOT: It was this year, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: And how -- and he was in Aruba and you were where?
VAN DER SLOOT: I was in Holland, I think, one -- for one, and the other one I was here.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was it always -- did you use the same cell phone, did you use Skype? How did you do these -- how did you record these?
VAN DER SLOOT: On the cell phone, just on the cell phone with the record option.
VAN SUSTEREN: And was he using your hard line at home, do you think?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, I think he was calling from Skype, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So he's on Skype and you're on a cell phone.
VAN DER SLOOT: Uh-huh.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. You met a guy in February of three years ago who said he was interested in something. What was he interested in?
VAN DER SLOOT: He was interested in me bringing him a blond girl.
VAN SUSTEREN: Where did you meet this guy?
VAN DER SLOOT: The casinos in Aruba.
VAN SUSTEREN: What's his name?
VAN DER SLOOT: Elher (ph) Andy (ph) Adamovich (ph). I don't even if know if it's his real name. That's the problem. I don't even know if it's his real name. I wasn't worried about that at the time. It was just more like casino going, there and having fun there, and he's one of the persons I saw there. I didn't hang out with him. I didn't do anything with him.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you only see him one time in February?
VAN DER SLOOT: Oh, no more times, like two times or three times or -- I've seen him over a period of one-and-a-half years or something.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is he an Aruban?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know. I don't know where he's from.
VAN SUSTEREN: What language did you speak with him?
VAN DER SLOOT: I spoke -- he spoke Dutch. He spoke Papiamento. And he gave -- he speaks English, too.
VAN SUSTEREN: About how old a man?
VAN DER SLOOT: An older man. I can't -- I can't say how old he was, 30, 40.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you sit at the same table with him?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. Yes. One time, I played poker with him. One time I played blackjack with him. But he usually played blackjack. That was the game he used to play.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK, so you met him in February of '05 at the casino. You know his first name. And he said he wanted what?
VAN DER SLOOT: He said he wanted to see a blond girl.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did you take that to mean?
VAN DER SLOOT: I didn't know -- I did not even want -- I wasn't even thinking about it, like, I did not know what he -- what he wanted at all with it.
VAN SUSTEREN: Anything offered in exchange for her?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, he offered me money.
VAN SUSTEREN: And what did you say?
VAN DER SLOOT: I said, OK, sure.
VAN SUSTEREN: And so February of '05, you have this conversation with him in a casino. And between February '05 and about May 30, '05, did you see him at all?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. Yes. Before that. He was -- like, before, he was telling me, like, he was just acting like a high roller there and spending money like (INAUDIBLE) nothing on blackjack. And then he was always talking about going out, doing (ph) stuff. I know he goes from Venezuela to Aruba. I know that. That's what he was telling me, at least. And -- yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he ever say what he wanted a blond girl for?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you have any sort of guess what it was? I mean, were you -- was it sort of the -- the code, you know, you speak in code, you sort of knew what he wanted?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. No. I wasn't -- wasn't really occupied with that at all. I had school going. I had other things. I had friends. I wasn't really -- like, I mean, like, I really wasn't even concerned about his name, to tell you the truth.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he offer you any money?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: (INAUDIBLE) a specific number?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, he offered me money.
VAN SUSTEREN: What was the number?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't really want to say, but he offered me money for it.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, I mean, come on. I mean, you -- look, we've come halfway across the world. You know, you want -- this is what you told us, Joran, that you -- you know, you want...
VAN DER SLOOT: OK.
VAN SUSTEREN: ... this investigated because everybody seems to think something happened, and you told us something very different happened. And there's a possibility that she's still alive.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: So I need to be able to get this information out of you so that I can, you know, get my company to continue to finance this. This is going to take us to Venezuela to find this guy. We got to look for him there. And...
VAN DER SLOOT: That's what I want.
VAN SUSTEREN: I know. That's why -- that's why you contacted me. At least, that's what you told me, is that you want that. If I get that information, we can track it down.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: So that's why I need to pull these facts out of it because that will corroborate the chip and will help me in the investigation.
VAN DER SLOOT: OK. Well, he only gave me $10,000.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK. No, but that's later. But during -- between February and May, did he ask you -- did he talk money with you, a specific number?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Natalee -- you know, what day of the week did you meet Natalee? What was -- it was the 30th, but what day? Was that a Sunday night?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. Yes, Sunday night.
VAN SUSTEREN: In the days prior to that Sunday night, did you have any conversation with this man?
VAN DER SLOOT: A week before, I think. Yes, a little before, couple days before, five days before.
VAN SUSTEREN: At a casino?
VAN DER SLOOT: Uh-huh.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you have his phone number?
VAN DER SLOOT: Did not have his phone number. It's only at the casino where I saw him. That's the only place I -- I ever saw him.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So what happened the day you met Natalee?
VAN DER SLOOT: Oh, the day I met Natalee, I remembered what he said. And as I was leaving the casino, to leave I went by the Radisson because (INAUDIBLE) he was there. I spoke with him, and he's, like, yes, you know. So then he -- when he asked me for, like, OK, all I want is to -- to -- you know, if you bring me a blond girl, let me know. Give me a call on this number right here. He gave me a phone number, and then he said to meet him at the beach by the -- by the Marriott if I ever got a girl and that we'd - - he would give me $10,000.
VAN SUSTEREN: This was on the day that you met Natalee?
VAN DER SLOOT: That was on the day or he day -- the day -- the day before.
VAN SUSTEREN: The day before you met Natalee?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, or two days before. Two days before.
VAN SUSTEREN: So the day you met Natalee, you met her at the Excelsior in the Holiday Inn in the afternoon. Or actually, you met her -- you met her with a group of people.
VAN DER SLOOT: Uh-huh.
VAN SUSTEREN: And when you -- and about what time did you leave the Holiday Inn Excelsior on that afternoon?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't remember exactly. In the afternoon sometime.
VAN SUSTEREN: When you -- when you left in the afternoon, had you made plans to meet with Natalee and her friends at Carlos 'n Charlie's?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. She had asked me to go out and meet her and her friends there.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was it your intention at that time to contact the man who wanted to buy a white woman?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, but I had it in the back of my mind, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. so you left the Holiday Inn. And then where did you go?
VAN DER SLOOT: Then I -- first I went to the Radisson.
VAN SUSTEREN: And talked to him.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. And I played a little poker there. And then I went to -- then I called a friend of mine, who didn't pick up his phone. And then I called other friends of mine, asked them if they wanted to go out and -- yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: And the other friends were?
VAN DER SLOOT: Were Deepak and Satish.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you -- so you -- so you went from the Radisson to home first?
VAN DER SLOOT: Uh-huh.
VAN SUSTEREN: How did you get home?
VAN DER SLOOT: What do you mean home?
VAN SUSTEREN: You went from the Holiday Inn at the Excelsior to the Radisson. Then you went home, which is where Deepak picked you up.
VAN DER SLOOT: Then I called my dad, and he picked me up at the McDonald's.
VAN SUSTEREN: But that was from the Holiday Inn -- or from the Radisson.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, went from Holiday Inn -- I was only there, like, 20 minutes.
VAN SUSTEREN: So about what time would that be?
VAN DER SLOOT: Was at the evening. Evening.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK. You go home, and what do you do when you get home?
VAN DER SLOOT: Went and took a shower, went on the Internet. And I wasn't even sure if I still wanted to go out or not because I actually had school the next day. And then -- then Deepak called me, like, OK, we're going to come with you. We're ready, on my way now, because I knew Carlos 'n Charlie's close at 12:00, 12:00 o'clock, too, that night. So it's, like, 11:00 o'clock when we went. And -- yes. And the rest of these story is just like -- like we told it, except for the end of it.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Up next, Joran takes you minute by minute through his shocking story. Did he carry through his alleged plan to sell Natalee? You will hear the horrifying details of what Joran now says happened to Natalee that night.
Plus: Did Deepak and Satish Kalpoe know about Joran's alleged plot to sell Natalee? Were the brothers in on it? You will hear what Joran says.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot says he was offered money by a stranger in return for a blond girl. Joran continues the story about the night Natalee Holloway was last seen alive.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Where did you make the hard plans with this guy to pick up Natalee? At what point?
VAN DER SLOOT: Like -- like, not ever hard plans. It's just I told him that, OK, I have a girl with me. And he's, like, OK, come to the -- come to the Marriott Hotel.
VAN SUSTEREN: At what time?
VAN DER SLOOT: At 1:00 in the morning or something.
VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, it was just -- but I mean, that doesn't -- it just doesn't sound right to me because it's -- that the sort of loose plans. I mean, why is a guy going to go sit outside the Marriott at 1:00 o'clock in the morning?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know, either. No, but he wasn't even in there. He wasn't even there when I came there.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Well, so OK. So you go -- so Deepak and Satish pick you up. Now, they're not in on this at all, right?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't really want to talk about them at all.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, but you know, if you -- if you want us to do this, Joran, if you want us to investigate this, you got to tell us because, you know -- you know, you've trusted us this far...
VAN DER SLOOT: Like, I do trust you guys. But it's just can I talk about you -- with you just about it one second just -- just about them...
VAN SUSTEREN: Yes.
VAN DER SLOOT: ... But not on camera (INAUDIBLE)
VAN SUSTEREN: No, no. Just tell -- you know what? Because you know what? We've gone so far down the road, is that we might -- this is your chance to tell us -- if you're telling the truth this time -- because you and I have spoken before. If you're telling the truth this time, you know, let's get it all out there, and we will pound the pavement to track -- to chase this down. And -- but we can't have wild goose chases because the minute we hit another wild goose chase, it's over.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: It's over. And you'll look like -- you know what you'll look like? You'll look like a liar because we've had one conversation with you. You've got that thing that -- with Patrick. I don't know what that is. You've got Patrick. Then you've got this. I mean, you really have to make a decision that -- you know, that you trust us, that you want us to -- you want us to investigate this fully and lay it all out.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, no, but what I -- what (INAUDIBLE) just wanted to ask you (INAUDIBLE) I don't want like -- maybe if I say something bad about them, they can sue me or whatever, or I don't know (INAUDIBLE)
VAN SUSTEREN: Look, they're not going to -- I can't say that...
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VAN SUSTEREN: They're not going to sue you. I mean, they're not -- look, these guys -- I mean, if you tell the truth, it doesn't hurt. If you lie, it does. So if you lie about them, yes, you're vulnerable. If you tell the truth, no.
VAN DER SLOOT: No, I agree. Yes. OK, well, then, they -- they knew about it also, but that's why (INAUDIBLE) yes, they knew about it also.
VAN SUSTEREN: When did they know about it? At what point?
VAN DER SLOOT: That night I told them.
VAN SUSTEREN: On the way to Carlos 'n Charlie's?
VAN DER SLOOT: On the way to Carlos -- no, on the way back, when we - - when we were getting a drink at Carlos 'n Charlie's.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK, explain it to me. They pick you up at your house.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: And...
VAN DER SLOOT: I say -- I just told them -- all I told them is we're meeting a group of girls at Carlos 'n Charlie's who asked me to go out with them. And then when I was in the bar, she was all dancing on the bar, coming over to me and telling me to come dance with her. And that's the moment when I -- when I talked to them and said, like, OK, well, I can get -- someone offered me $10,000 just to bring them somebody. And what do you guys think about it, $10,000? OK. You know, that was -- that was the thought behind it.
VAN SUSTEREN: And what were -- were they -- did they get any money?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. I gave them money. Of course.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So -- so had you -- was Natalee the one that you had identified as the American girl you were going to grab, or was there another one?
VAN DER SLOOT: Oh, I wasn't even thinking about that at all when I went over there. That's not -- wasn't my intention. It was actually my intention to go with -- like, I just -- I really liked a friend of hers. I thought she was very nice. She's the one that asked me to go out. It's that when I came there and her friend said, Natalee has shotgun (ph) on you, or that's -- yes, that's exactly what she said. And then that's when I started paying attention to her. Or not even really. I wasn't even that super-interested, but that's when I was -- yes.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Since our last interview with Joran van der Sloot, we have reached out to the Kalpoe brothers and their lawyers a number of times for their side of the story. We have not received an answer. The Kalpoe brothers and/or their attorneys are welcome here "On the Record" any time.
Up next, Joran tells you about a dark, secluded beach in Aruba. Joran says the last time he saw Natalee was on that beach. It's a chilling story involving a boat, a mysterious stranger and a bag full of cash. These details according to Joran are next.
Plus, the most shocking twist of all to this story is coming. Listen very carefully to what Joran says. We have information that may change the way you look at this interview. That's at the end of the hour.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot continues his story explaining what he says happened to Natalee Holloway. The last night Natalee was seen alive, earlier in the day, Van der Sloot met up with Natalee and her friends at the Excelsior casino in the Holiday Inn beach hotel. Later, he met the American girls at a bar called Carlos 'n Charlie's. Van Der Sloot was at the bar with two of his friends, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Now, I've been in Carlos 'n Charlie's, and it's very loud. So you -- what do you have, a conversation on the side with Deepak or Satish about doing this deal, or...
VAN DER SLOOT: Deepak. Deepak.
VAN SUSTEREN: Deepak?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: And Deepak says, essentially, "I'm in"?
VAN DER SLOOT: Uh-huh.
VAN SUSTEREN: So you then zero in on Natalee because she's -- why, because she's drunk?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, because she was interested in me, I guess, because she was -- yes, she was coming up -- she was coming up, Come dance with me. And that's when I -- when I -- when I was remembering this guy. And he -- like, I think it was more than two days before that, even, he gave me his card with his phone number on it and -- yes. I thought he was just (INAUDIBLE) maybe looking to have a good time, go out. I don't know. I did not know 100 percent whatever his intentions were. I still don't know right now what his exact intentions were, so...
VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So explain what happened. You get Natalee and you head out to the car.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. She says...
VAN SUSTEREN: Tell me the whole story.
VAN DER SLOOT: She asks me first, Let's go to your -- let's go to your house. I want to go to your house. I want to see your house. I'm, like, No, let's go back to your hotel. It's right next to -- it was right next to the other (ph) where we had to be anyway. Thought we could go see there, see how it is there. But she didn't want to go back to her own hotel. So then that's when I told the guys, Just drop us off by the -- by the Marriott.
VAN SUSTEREN: And you hadn't, like, you know, hard-wired the appointment with this guy to meet -- you just assumed that he would be there?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, no. I called him on the way back (INAUDIBLE)
VAN SUSTEREN: Where -- at what point did you call him? I'm confused. When did you lock in the pick-up?
VAN DER SLOOT: At like, 1:00 o'clock.
VAN SUSTEREN: You called him then?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, or a little before.
VAN SUSTEREN: And said what?
VAN DER SLOOT: And I said that, you know, I'm in the car now and -- and with the girl and I'm with two friends. And, What are you doing? And he said, yes, I'm awake. And then he's, like, OK, can you be there in an hour? And I'm going to have someone there. And I'm, like, OK. Give you your money, so (INAUDIBLE) OK.
VAN SUSTEREN: So you made a call to this guy while Natalee's in the car with you?
VAN DER SLOOT: Uh-huh.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did Natalee say anything?
VAN DER SLOOT: Uh-uh.
VAN SUSTEREN: What'd she do, just sit there as you made the phone call?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you speak in code or, I mean, like...
VAN SUSTEREN: No, I just spoke Dutch to him.
VAN SUSTEREN: Oh. And so she couldn't understand Dutch. All right. And Deepak and Satish, did they understand Dutch.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. They can understand -- they (INAUDIBLE) fluent in Dutch, but they understand Dutch.
VAN SUSTEREN: So the deal was to meet at what time? I mean, did you actually have a firm time at that point?
VAN DER SLOOT: We -- yes, no, he said an hour, be there in an hour.
VAN SUSTEREN: So what did you do for the hour?
VAN DER SLOOT: Just drove around. It wasn't like -- yes, just drove around. We went up to the lighthouse, we made (ph) a circle here, went back. We -- yes, we just drove around a little bit.
VAN SUSTEREN: And so then you drove to the Marriott, or at least a little bit north of the Marriott, or that parking lot are?
VAN DER SLOOT: The parking lot area.
VAN SUSTEREN: And tell me what happened.
VAN DER SLOOT: Then I got out, steppe out of the car. She was with me, went to the beach with her. And we just were making out. We never did anything else. And then -- at first, I didn't see anyone there, you know, anything. And I'm almost, like, OK. Whatever. You know, it's not going to happen. Then I saw a guy and he came, and he just handed me a bag, grabbed the girl by the arm and he went to the boat that he had in the water.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did Natalee say?
VAN DER SLOOT: She said nothing, nothing until she was on the boat. And then she was, like, Hey, you know, what's going on? You're not coming with me, or -- I don't know. She wasn't -- wasn't panicking or anything. And then (INAUDIBLE) on the boat and the boat went away, I still heard, like, you know, What's going on? I think she was pretty drunk. That's what the main thing was.
VAN SUSTEREN: But she didn't struggle with this guy to go to the boat?
VAN DER SLOOT: Uh-uh.
VAN SUSTEREN: Didn't you think that was odd?
VAN DER SLOOT: No because I said we were going to go on a boat.
VAN SUSTEREN: You told her that.
VAN DER SLOOT: Uh-huh. That's my story to go to the beach, that we were going to go on a boat.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did the guy give you?
VAN DER SLOOT: They gave me a bag of money.
VAN SUSTEREN: Ten thousand dollars?
VAN DER SLOOT: Wasn't even $10,000. It was less (INAUDIBLE)
VAN SUSTEREN: How much short?
VAN DER SLOOT: Oh, a couple hundred short. Probably took it for himself. I don't know.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Up next: What does Joran say about a boat pulling away from the beach with Natalee? He will tell you.
Plus, what happens during our interview that makes Joran take his microphone off and threaten to leave? You will hear next.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot just described to you an awful alleged plot. Joran claims he sold Natalee Holloway on a beach in Aruba the night she disappeared. After being given a bag of cash, Joran says, he watched Natalee get pulled onto a boat with a stranger.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Did you actually see the boat drive away with Natalee?
VAN DER SLOOT: Uh-huh.
VAN SUSTEREN: And could you hear her say anything from the boat?
VAN DER SLOOT: I heard something, but I don't remember what it was. It wasn't screaming or anything like that, no.
VAN SUSTEREN: So what did you do next?
VAN DER SLOOT: Then I went home. I called -- I called Deepak up and he sent Satish to come pick me up.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why didn't he come, do you know?
VAN DER SLOOT: I think he was catting on the Internet with his girlfriend or something like that. I don't know.
VAN SUSTEREN: At what point did he get cash?
VAN DER SLOOT: I always gave him (INAUDIBLE) When we went out, one night I paid, other night he paid, and I gave them both $1,000. I didn't tell them how much I was given for it at first. Afterwards, I told them.
VAN SUSTEREN: When did you give them the $1,000?
VAN DER SLOOT: Like, a couple days after.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you give it to Deepak or Satish?
VAN DER SLOOT: To both of them when we were in my room. And another friend of mine was there, as well.
VAN SUSTEREN: When was the first time you told your -- you told your father this story, right?
VAN DER SLOOT: Not everything. No, it's not. We don't talk about it. No. We don't talk about it, actually.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did it ever come up with your father? Because in that chip, he talks about it, he says it's a bad -- you know, it's a bad thing to sell somebody. So your father knew about it before the conversation that on the chip you gave us.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: When was the first time you told him?
VAN DER SLOOT: Long time after that we were arrested. A while.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, in the conversation you and I had on the phone, you told me that you told your father -- that your father -- that Natalee Holloway's family showed up the next day and that they were making a big fuss. And so that your father took you to a lawyer. And that what you told me on the phone is that you told your lawyer and your father at that point.
VAN DER SLOOT: No, no. I lied to all of them.
VAN SUSTEREN: You lied -- but did -- so you lied to me when you told me that?
VAN DER SLOOT: Don't remember telling you that.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, I -- I mean, because -- I tell you, because that was -- that's an important element of it, is that, you know -- you know, is what did they know at that time?
VAN DER SLOOT: At that time, they didn't know anything. It's a little later that I told them.
VAN SUSTEREN: When did you tell them?
VAN DER SLOOT: Like, I don't know, a while after. But for me, that's not -- that's not the most important part anyway. The most important thing for me...
VAN SUSTEREN: Oh, it is.
VAN DER SLOOT: ... is that you guys look into...
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, but it is - but the thing is that -- I'll tell you why it's important. Because, on this tape, on this chip that you gave us, you father says selling girls or whatever, you know, is a serious crime.
I need your father's help. And so I want to take that to your father and say, you know, we need your help to get to the bottom of this. And you have already outed your father on this. You have already done it on the chip, so there is no sense in protecting him here.
And we get back to the same thing. It's like if you are doing this, and we're deep into this already, tell me the truth. Just, you know, I mean, you have already included everybody into this. So you are not helping you, yourself or anybody else at this point. It is out there.
VAN DER SLOOT: I know.
VAN SUSTEREN: So when did your father find out?
VAN DER SLOOT: A while after. Like I don't know exactly when.
VAN SUSTEREN: Were you in jail at the time?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. I was already arrested.
VAN SUSTEREN: When did your lawyer find out?
VAN DER SLOOT: I told him one time when I got to speak to him alone.
VAN SUSTEREN: At what point? And I'll tell you why that's important. You see, look, in order for me to believe you, because you have told other stories -- you and I have had so many conversations, but the problem is I have to think, like, when are you telling me the truth? Was it when we have spoken privately? Was it when we did the interview, or is it now?
So I need to take what you are telling me, and I need to go to your lawyer and say, look, he tells me that he told you this in the summer. Did he? And if the lawyer says yes, then I can say to my company, see, this is not crazy. This isn't Joran with another story.
So that is why I need it. I need for you to say on camera that your lawyer can freely speak to me about this and so we can corroborate it. This corroborates the chip, so I can go forward.
VAN DER SLOOT: I understand, but I actually don't think that I want to do this. I think -- I don't think so.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why? Just tell -- all we want -- I will investigate this until the cows come home.
VAN DER SLOOT: I know, but what we agreed on first is that I would not actually be in the picture, that was the actual point. But, as you are saying right now, it's already there. People already think so much about me, that now they think something else. So.
VAN SUSTEREN: No, but if you are telling the truth.
VAN DER SLOOT: Of course.
VAN SUSTEREN: Are you telling the truth this time?
VAN DER SLOOT: Of course.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, then help me understand it and corroborate it. If she is alive, Joran, this is our last chance. This is three years into it. And that is a big deal if this young woman is alive. I realize the chances are remote.
VAN DER SLOOT: Very small.
VAN SUSTEREN: Maybe they aren't, though. Because, you know, I have gone online, and, surprisingly, the State Department, U.S. State Department says there are something like 700,000 or 800,000 people sold into slavery every year, which is bizarre to me. But if what you say is true, that you sold her and that she went into some sort of slavery, or something--I realize it's remote, but maybe she is. This is our last chance.
And so, you can sort of cleanse yourself and be done with it, and we will eagerly investigate it. You can do what you want, but that at least gives us something to go on if she's alive.
VAN DER SLOOT: I understand, but..
VAN SUSTEREN: You want her alive, right?
VAN DER SLOOT: That would be the best thing in the world, I mean, anyway.
VAN SUSTEREN: You're the only one that can help.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. But there are different ways that you can look after things.
Like I said, if I had a million dollars, myself, I would look into it myself to find out what happened. But that's why it has to be someone like you that's going to look into it. The police won't look into it. No one else will look into it.
VAN SUSTEREN: And I will. I mean, you told me, one of the things you told me - this is - and what I want to do is use this with leverage is that (NAME DELETED) was paid off, and another police officer was paid off by your father.
VAN DER SLOOT: You know something, Greta, though, I don't really want to do this, actually. I don't. This is not actually what we agreed on.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, Joran, it can't -- I came halfway across the world - I came halfway across the world because you told me in conversations that you want this investigated. If you are going to bolt on me, I don't believe it.
VAN DER SLOOT: OK, then you don't believe it.
VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, you know, I really want to investigate this.
VAN DER SLOOT: (INAUDIBLE)
VAN SUSTEREN: Why not?
VAN DER SLOOT: This is not what we agreed on. That's all.
VAN SUSTEREN: What we agreed on is that I would license the chip. The problem is the chip came with issues with it. And so now I am in the position where I've got to try to tell my company that this is a possibility that this happened. And they're going to say, well, if he won't even corroborate, then this is all just basically (expletive deleted).
And I don't know, what do I tell them?
VAN DER SLOOT: I guess you can tell them whatever you want, but I'm not going to go say all that.
VAN SUSTEREN: I want the truth only.
VAN DER SLOOT: I understand.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why won't you tell us the truth?
VAN DER SLOOT: Because the truth hurts.
VAN SUSTEREN: I understand that. I mean, that I get. OK? Sit down a second. Sit down.
VAN DER SLOOT: (INAUDIBLE). Maybe we can take a break now. Let's take a break for a second.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right, but you know what, Joran, I understand the truth hurts.
VAN DER SLOOT: No, you don't.
VAN SUSTEREN: I understand that. I actually do.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up, will Joran sit down and continue the interview, or did we get all the information we could from Joran van der Sloot? That's next.
Plus, a twist to the entire story. This could change your mind about everything you have heard so far tonight. That's coming up.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(NEWS BREAK)
VAN SUSTEREN: You just saw Joran van der Sloot take his microphone off and threaten to end our interview with him. Joran eventually did put his microphone back on and continued telling his story.
Now, Joran told us that he sold Natalee Holloway the night that she vanished in Aruba. But how deep does this alleged plot go?
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
VAN SUSTEREN: All right, Joran, we've taken a bit of a break, and now we're back.
So let me pick up - let me hit some blunt topics. You told me in conversations that (NAME DELETED) was paid some money.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: There was another police officer with him who was also paid? Who was that?
VAN DER SLOOT: Two police officers. There was (NAME DELETED) and--I can't think of him right now.
VAN SUSTEREN: When were they paid off, and for what?
VAN DER SLOOT: They were paid off in the summer for not saying anything, because they found out - yes, they found out the story.
VAN SUSTEREN: When you say, "the story," what was the story they found out?
VAN DER SLOOT: They -- I think they got onto - they found out that she was taken to Venezuela.
VAN SUSTEREN: Who paid them?
VAN DER SLOOT: My father.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know how much he paid them?
VAN DER SLOOT: Not exactly, no.
VAN SUSTEREN: What do you understand was the range that he paid them?
VAN DER SLOOT: $50,000.
VAN SUSTEREN: Each, or to split?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know how the money was transferred? Was it done through the banking system, was it done through cash?
VAN DER SLOOT: I just heard that it happened, that's all. I think it was done through banking.
VAN SUSTEREN: How did you hear about this?
VAN DER SLOOT: From my dad.
VAN SUSTEREN: When did he tell you?
VAN DER SLOOT: In one of the conversations I had with him.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did (NAME DELETED) shake him down? How did this happen?
VAN DER SLOOT: I think they tried to shake him down a little.
VAN SUSTEREN: Tell me what you know about it.
VAN DER SLOOT: I never spoke to -- this was not a topic that was spoken about. So I don't know the details on it. I just know that that happened.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why did your father tell you, do you think? How was the setting when he told you?
VAN DER SLOOT: More like, you know, that that's serious, and for me to shut up and keep my mouth closed.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was this an argument or discussion with your father?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. It was more I think just to emphasize, giving me reason not to talk to the police.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you learn this from your father when you were still in jail, or is this after you got out?
VAN DER SLOOT: I learned this while I was still in jail.
VAN SUSTEREN: So you had private conversations with your father?
VAN DER SLOOT: Way later, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was anyone else paid off?
VAN DER SLOOT: Not that I know of, no.
VAN SUSTEREN: You hesitated a little. Were you thinking, or was there somebody else?
VAN DER SLOOT: I was thinking. I don't think so. I can't say, I don' want to say anything without me being sure about it.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think there was another police officer?
VAN DER SLOOT: There could have been someone else that was paid off as well, but what I say now is what I know about it.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did (NAME DELETED) say to your father what they had learned? Were they specific at all?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. I think so. I don't know. The conversation I had was not that long, but I think they knew exactly what was going on, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: How did they learn that, though?
VAN DER SLOOT: I didn't speak to them about it, so I don't know.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did they know the guy who you worked this deal with to sell Natalee? Did they know him?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't think so. I don't know.
VAN SUSTEREN: And they never said anything to you about it?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. I never spoke to (NAME DELETED) or this other guy.
VAN SUSTEREN: Ever? They never interrogated you in jail?
VAN DER SLOOT: Never. I spoke to one of them once.
VAN SUSTEREN: Who was the first person you told about selling Natalee?
VAN DER SLOOT: The first person I told? The first person I told was my lawyer, I think.
VAN SUSTEREN: That was before --
VAN DER SLOOT: No, the first person I told was a teacher of mine, and then the lawyer.
VAN SUSTEREN: The teacher is?
VAN DER SLOOT: The teacher -- it was a teacher from school.
VAN SUSTEREN: What's his name?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. It was a teacher from school, that I had as a teacher.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did he tell you to do?
VAN DER SLOOT: To tell the truth.
VAN SUSTEREN: And what was his name?
VAN DER SLOOT: I can't think of it right now.
VAN SUSTEREN: You know what, you do know it.
VAN DER SLOOT: I can't think of it right now.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is it the teacher who was there when you and I did the interview back in March of `06?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: When did you tell him in relation to Natalee's disappearance?
VAN DER SLOOT: I told him a couple of days after, at school, I think.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you have a special relationship with this teacher?
VAN DER SLOOT: I had a very good relationship with him, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: And so he was the first person. The second person you told was who?
VAN DER SLOOT: My lawyer.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was your father present?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, not when I told him the first time.
VAN SUSTEREN: And this was in the lawyer's office?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, this was at an interrogation.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK, so this was after you were arrested?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: And where was this conversation with your lawyer, which facility?
VAN DER SLOOT: It was at a police station.
VAN SUSTEREN: Now, you were not allowed to go home after that one, were you? You went right off to..
VAN DER SLOOT: After that they took me to jail, yes, to Kiya (ph). So this was still in my pre-arrest.
VAN SUSTEREN: One of the things that is important to us is that we corroborate every bit of the story. Do you give your lawyer permission to verify that fact?
VAN DER SLOOT: How do you mean?
VAN SUSTEREN: You have an attorney-client privilege. He can't tell me anything about you unless you let give him the green light. Will you give him the green light to verify that you told him within days of Natalee's disappearance that you'd sold her?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I give him the green light to do that.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
VAN SUSTEREN: After this interview we went to Aruba. We confronted Joran's father and Joran's lawyer for their side of the story. So far, they have refused to go "On the Record." We will tell you more about that tomorrow night. They are all welcome here anytime.
You also just heard Joran van der Sloot claim that he confided to a teacher that he had sold Natalee Holloway. We did our own investigation and spoke to that teacher. More on that is coming up also tomorrow night.
Coming up, Joran says he sold Natalee Holloway to a mysterious stranger. But where is this man now, when was the last time Joran spoke to him, and is the man still paying Joran money for his alleged deed?
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot just described how he allegedly sold Natalee Holloway the night that she disappeared. Joran says a man gave him a bag full of cash on a beach and then pulled Natalee onto a boat.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
VAN SUSTEREN: After -- the guy that you sold her to, you don't know any more information about it than you have told us so far on camera, right?
VAN DER SLOOT: I know everything that I told you guys before. I don't know if that's - I don't think we have to discuss it all now.
VAN SUSTEREN: According to what you told is, is that when you turned Natalee over to the guy in the boat, it's not this guy, you got a bag of cash, which you later split up. But you were cheated--it was not $10,000, it wasn't a full $10,000. How much was missing?
VAN DER SLOOT: $400.
VAN SUSTEREN: And your assumption is that the boat driver took it?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know.
VAN SUSTEREN: You don't know? But anyway. Now, have you ever gotten any more money from that guy?
VAN DER SLOOT: All the time.
VAN SUSTEREN: When?
VAN DER SLOOT: After the second time I got arrested.
VAN SUSTEREN: Which was when?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know anymore. Not that the best of days (ph), now I don't know.
VAN SUSTEREN: How was the money transferred?
VAN DER SLOOT: He sent it through - by Western Union.
VAN SUSTEREN: To where?
VAN DER SLOOT: To me.
VAN SUSTEREN: Were you in Holland or Aruba?
VAN DER SLOOT: At that time I was in Holland. I wasn't anywhere there.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why did he send you more money if he'd already paid you?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't think he - I think he didn't want me to talk.
VAN SUSTEREN: So you think it was to have you shut up.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, or to keep me happy. I don't know.
VAN SUSTEREN: How did he even think that you wouldn't be happy? Had you had any communication with him at all?
VAN DER SLOOT: None at all, none whatsoever.
VAN SUSTEREN: It was just out of the blue?
VAN DER SLOOT: Out of the blue completely.
VAN SUSTEREN: How did he know where to send it?
VAN DER SLOOT: That's when -- I gave him that. I gave him everything at that moment. Like he was telling me, where are you, what are you doing, all that stuff. Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: I don't understand. You get the $9,600 when Natalee disappears, and then we fast forward a couple of years, and then out of the blue when you get arrested the second time -- which was what, about six months ago.?
VAN DER SLOOT: Something like that.
VAN SUSTEREN: About six months ago. Is suddenly he gives you how much more?
VAN DER SLOOT: He gave me the same amount again.
VAN SUSTEREN: Ten grand or $9,600?
VAN DER SLOOT: Ten grand.
VAN DER SLOOT: OK, 10 grand. And he wires it to you in Holland. And you've actually given us the wire number.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: You've given it to us. But there must have been some contact before, like by e-mail or conversation for you to give him the number...
VAN DER SLOOT: I had e-mail contact with him.
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you had email contact with him for the last couple of years?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, but I have it to him one time on a piece of paper. And I don't know if he was using a real e-mail address.
VAN SUSTEREN: So you just out of the blue e-mailed him first or he e-mailed you first?
VAN DER SLOOT: He e-mailed me. I do not have his email.
VAN SUSTEREN: He e-mailed you and said what?
VAN DER SLOOT: He said, like, how am I doing, and for me to shut up, and if I needed any money.
VAN SUSTEREN: So you then replied what?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: And then what happened?
VAN DER SLOOT: Then he said, OK. And then at first I didn't hear anything for like a couple of weeks. So that's why I don't think it's his real email address. And then, he said, OK, well, here's a number. You can go pick it up at a Western Union.
VAN SUSTEREN: And you did?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: And that's the last contact you've had with him?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: You're haven't tried to get more money out of him?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why not?
VAN DER SLOOT: I do not know how to find him, where he is. I've emailed him another time, but he didn't respond.
VAN SUSTEREN: Does your father know about the second money?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: Who knows about that?
VAN DER SLOOT: No one.
VAN SUSTEREN: Does Joe Tacopina know about the slave?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: Doesn't know a thing about it. You never told him?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: So the only lawyer who knows is Antonio Carlo, no other lawyer. And your father and the teacher. Does your mother know?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: Does your mother know about the payoff to (NAME DELETED)?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, I don't think so. I don't speak to them anymore at all.
VAN SUSTEREN: Your parents. Why not?
VAN DER SLOOT: We don't have the best relations anymore.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why?
VAN DER SLOOT: I guess it was all a little bit too much, I guess.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was that your decision or their decision to cut contact?
VAN DER SLOOT: I guess mine.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any contact with Deepak and Satish?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: What kind of contact?
VAN DER SLOOT: I have e-mailed back and forth with them a couple of times, called once.
VAN SUSTEREN: When did you call?
VAN DER SLOOT: Something -- three months ago.
VAN SUSTEREN: What was the conversation?
VAN DER SLOOT: It was about they had a lawsuit going, and that's really the only thing we talk about.
VAN SUSTEREN: And is there -- why is the lawsuit of interest to you?
VAN DER SLOOT: They said that if they won the lawsuit, that they'd give me a million dollars.
VAN SUSTEREN: And is that Deepak saying that, or Satish?
VAN DER SLOOT: It's Deepak. I have it on paper too.
VAN SUSTEREN: Deepak wrote it, or in an e-mail?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, I got it - just my computer. Like it's typed up.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if his lawyer knows?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure.
VAN SUSTEREN: What does it say on the paper? What's the deal?
VAN DER SLOOT: It's that if as long as I don't share anything that I know about the both of them with any money, and if they win the lawsuit, I will get a million dollars.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did that come from the lawyer or from Deepak?
VAN DER SLOOT: Both of them.
VAN SUSTEREN: Both the lawyer and Deepak?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. It's an official paper.
VAN SUSTEREN: Will you show us a copy of it?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK. Anything else? I know this isn't easy for you.
VAN DER SLOOT: No. Just that I hope you guys go in and really look at it, find out everything, find out what happened. And hopefully then I can go on and everyone can go on.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
VAN SUSTEREN: Up next, you just heard Joran's unbelievable story in his own words, but it is not over yet. We have information next that will completely change the way you look at this interview. Joran contacted us again and gave a final surprising twist to the story. You need to hear it.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
VAN SUSTEREN: As we all know by now, Joran has changed his story a number of times, and now he has changed it again. Any good investigator is going to chase down every lead. Some leads are successful. Some go nowhere. We had spent so much time on this story that we wanted to go that extra mile and get whatever information we could. We also set out to attempt to prove or disprove what information we collected.
After we conducted this interview in Asia, Joran contacted us again. He told us he had been lying during that interview and that he had not sold Natalee Holloway to a stranger. Joran says he made the story up.
You can decide for yourself what to believe and what not to believe. We know for certain that Joran Van Der Sloot has lied about the night Natalee Holloway disappeared. The question now is whether he has ever told the truth. That is why our investigation continues.
After this interview with Joran, we contacted many of the people involved in the alleged plot as we could. We also went online to look at the State Department's Web site, which provides shocking information about worldwide human trafficking. Tomorrow night, you hear what we uncovered in an investigation spreading from the island of Aruba to Asia, and even to the city of Seattle.
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