Glenn Beck: Truth About Church and State

This is a rush transcript from "Glenn Beck," September 24, 2010. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GLENN BECK, HOST: From New York City — hello, America.

Tonight, I want to tell you about something — and my wife was around here someplace, I don't know if she knows this. But when we were on vacation, I was — I was secretly at night under the covers with a flashlight reading this book. She really doesn't — for some reason, she thinks I should relax and not read books about Nazis on our vacation.

This came in from a viewer of mine. It's an old book from 1940 — I think '44, '43 or '44, "Religion of Nazi Germany." And it got me thinking, this is someone who was in, I think — I think originally Germany and then went to Poland. And it didn't end well.

And I want to do a show tonight, not on this book. I want to do — I want to do a show on something that I think is critically important. I have shown you this over here — faith, hope and charity. I've shown you the faith, hope and charity.

Sorry, Oscar and everybody in the control room who like, oh, no, heavens, he's moving.

I've shown you this — it's the 40-day, 40-night challenge. And what it is, it's a blueprint for our national survival. This is what I think we need to do to be able to survive. And basically, it's that we have to have firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence — the code that I think is in the Declaration of Independence.

Firm reliance on Divine Providence — it means we can't have faith. We have to have much more than faith. We have to — we have to know personally that God is not on our side, but we are on his side.

These are the steps that I ask you to take — these four steps — and challenge yourself to do these things in 40 days and 40 nights to help the country survive.

But when I say something like that, because there is a fundamental misunderstanding of the Tea Party and small government people, that immediately goes into church and state. Well, the church and state, you can't have the evil church because those evil Christians are going to gobble up the state and then the next thing you know you're going to have to have communion, you know, five days or week, otherwise you'll go to jail. And I don't know what they think is going to happen.

But that might happen if it was a progressive that was telling you these things. That's why Jim Wallis is so dangerous. All the preachers that surround the president, they are progressives and they are big government progressives. When you combine church and state, and you take a — you take a big government and you combine it with the church, to get people to do the things that the state wants you to do, it always ends in mass death.

Now, the separation of church and state — where does it come from? What does it even mean? Well, most Americans have heard it a million times. It's a — we've heard it in our — in our schools, and it's been misused, it's been mis-taught. It's a phrase that is not contained in the U.S. Constitution.

As we have discussed before, it's from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Connecticut Baptist when they feared the government might be getting between them and the way they worship — because Baptist, that wasn't popular in Connecticut at the time. They say wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

So, what did he mean by that? Does it mean that the state needs to be protected from the awe-inspiring power of the force? Or it is possible that the armies of marauding pastors and priests and nuns — if you see the nuns, they come after the state, look out — could it be the nuns and the bishops are going to suddenly, without warning, seize control of the government in some sort of creepy Christian coup? No, I don't think so.

For the record, this is called the "Establishment Clause." Now, why is it called the Establishment Clause? Well, it's in the First Amendment. The Establishment Clause — and this is what it says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." That's it.

Congress shall make no law — it's simple, not "You shall not pray in public," or, "The people shall never refer to God within 700 feet of government property," or "You'll never ever — we promise — you'll never be offended by a manger scene." No. No.

What it says is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." What does that even mean? You have to go back to the time period, England. What had happened in England? Why was the Black Robe Regiment so important in the Revolutionary War?

Because people were going to church — but Whitefield made an impression on people because he rejected the church of the government, the Church of England. He said, "This isn't about God. God needs to be between you two, God and you. The state has no place in that."

England had a state church. It went more than just the Church of England. You had to pay tithe. Well, that was a tax there. There wasn't any opportunity to worship as you chose. That's why Whitefield didn't go preach in the churches. He had to do it out in the fields.

And that's where our founders were trying to guard against. They knew what would happen when a state said, "Hey, wait a minute. We have these people who will listen to anything because they're stupid, I guess. And they'll just listen to whatever their pastor says. So, if we can just co- op the state, then we can get them to do anything." That's what they were guarding against — almost like what's happening with social justice and the progressives.

Now, the worst example of this in the last century — is probably the best example of what a state interfering into religion can do. When Hitler came to power in Germany, he knew his deception of the German people would never be complete without using religion. And that's exactly what he did.

Remember, Hitler learned an awful lot of stuff from a guy named Bernays. And Bernays was the guy who when Goebbels died, they found the book by Bernays on propaganda, an American author, an American that was with Wilson, in the office of Goebbels. It was on propaganda. They say they learned propaganda — Hitler learned propaganda from the Wilson administration.

Well, one of the things that the Wilson administration and progressives did at the time was: they knew they had to destroy our faith. They knew they needed to get social justice in there.

Well, Hitler took it a million miles farther. He set out to draw Christians to him by explaining the seeds (ph) in "Mein Kampf," where he spoke of the Creator and universe and of eternal providence. He also states his belief that the Aryan race was created by God and that it would be a sin to dilute it through racial intermixing.

He tried to head off church resistance by professing in a speech that Jesus was the one true God. Well, one pastor who's going to be with us tonight has told us of the story when Hitler became chancellor of Germany. He met with all of the leading pastors and he openly tried to reassure them that the position of the church was secure. But he secretly was setting out to silence them.

One of the men in the room was Martin Niemoller. Now, he wasn't buying it at all. He wasn't buying it and he pushed his way to the front of the pastors.

Remember, this was spooky dude. You have didn't go after this guy. He did. He went and he faced Hitler right nose to nose.

And Niemoller told him, "Our concern here, Herr Hitler, is not for the church. Jesus Christ will take care of the church. Our concern is for the soul of the nation."

Well, no one else had the guts to back him up. Hitler just smiled and said, "You can leave the soul of Germany to me."

Now, from that Sunday on, Gestapo agents sat in the pews and wrote down every word Niemoller said. The pastor was imprisoned in a concentration camp where he narrowly escaped his execution. Eventually, both through deception and intimidation, church and state merged, to the point where the pictures of Hitler rested on the altars of the churches throughout Germany. They took down crosses and put him up.

The state had infiltrated and infected the church. Not the other way around.

I want to make it very, very clear — when I say you have to find God, I am not saying that we find a state religion and I'm not saying that you mix the state with religion. I'm saying you find your principles, teach man correct principles, that your relationship is with God, not the state. The state comes after this one.

Let your principles be your guide on how to vote. Not how to rule or not how to control or manipulate people. I'll leave that to the progressives.

Well, many in Germany couldn't or wouldn't believe the truth, that their faith had become evil — it had been co-opted by an evil and ruthless dictator. Others who did notice wouldn't cooperate and they were arrested.

It got much, much worse. Not only were there arrests of clergy, but incarceration and concentration camp, murder of religious opponent of the regime, physical assault on clergyman ignored by the police.

Remember, it's almost like nudging. You nudge and then you shove. And you're going to — the farther you go, if you don't say something at the beginning, then you're watching somebody being beaten in the streets and you're like gosh, yes, I don't want that to happen to me. And that's what happened.

They should have said something at the first meeting and they didn't.

And then there were seizures of church property, including orphanages and hospitals and monasteries and schools — anything with the religious insignia was removed and the teachers were fired.

Here's a church. Look at the government insignia. It's a church.

Church publications were censored. They were forbidden — attempts to force all German churches into one state-controlled church. Surveillance of the worship services and church leaders were happening. Public attacks on the church by Nazi leaders, including Goebbels and Goering, and, of course, ultimately the persecution and Holocaust of the Jews for their faith, and I guess for their blood type.

What had begun by supposed religious people and religious man, turned into something horrifyingly different.

Now, you will hear many people claim that Hitler was a Christian. And they use Hitler to make their point about how frightening Christian fundamentalists can be. They always say this. But anyone who says that has not read history or they have read history written by progressive, not the people who were there.

Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda minister, noted in a diary entry in 1939 a conversation with Hitler. He wrote and I quote, "The Fuhrer is a man totally attuned to antiquity. He hates Christianity because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity." That sounds more like Michael Moore, doesn't it?

Hitler's chief architect, Albert Speer, reports in his memoir of a similar statement made by Hitler, quote, "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese who regard sacrifice for their fatherland is the highest good? Or the Mohammedan religion that would have had been — would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

Whenever you bring up Germany and Hitler, it is extreme. And actually, it's less extreme, believe it or not, than communism in Russia. For as horrifying as it is, it's just been our media propaganda that hasn't made us really look and really remember the Holocaust that happened in the other socialist state. The key is socialism.

One never thinks or imagines that this can happen again. No one thinks it can happen here. Well, did the Germans think that it could? Did the Germans sit is there at night and go, you know that Hitler thing, that could end in concentration camps and the liquidation of the Jews? Did they really think that? Or did people say all along the way, wait, wait, wait, this isn't going well, this is —no, this is — no, this isn't us. We shouldn't go down this way.

And then they were told they were conspiracy theorists. They were told that it was wrong. They would even speak out and then the beatings started, and then the execution started, and then that argument just went away.

I want you to be aware that people will say to you that I am trying to get you in religion because I want to control or manipulate you, or I want the churches to control or manipulate you. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I want you one with God. I want you to have firm self reliance or firm reliance on protection of Divine Providence because I want you to be self-reliant. I know if you know your relationship with God, no man will ever, ever put you in a camp. No man will ever tell you that they can create a life — a right, because you know who your rights come from.

Let me show you again what Nancy Pelosi said to a gathering of Catholic clergy just a few months back. Remember, huge government progressive.


HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI, D-CALIF.: On the subject of immigration, because I think the church is going to have to play a very major role in how we — how people are treated. The cardinals, the archbishop, the bishops that come to me and say, "We want you to pass immigration reform." And I say, "But I want you to speak about it from the pulpit. Some oppose immigration reform are sitting in those pews and you have to tell them that this is a manifestation of our living the gospel."


BECK: OK. So, she wants them to talk about what is the right bill to pass.

I'll get up from my church, and I will walk out when my church starts to tell me who to vote for or how to vote. I want my church to teach me correct principles and then I can figure it out. How do we treat each other?

I don't want to hear about health care and how health care is social justice and how great it is for me to have health care — I don't want that. You know why? Because that's a mixing of church and state.

I do, however, want people to have firm reliance on Divine Providence and know — and know that our faith — as Benjamin Franklin says — the American faith is: there is a God that we have to answer to him when we meet him. He gets a little pissy, paraphrasing Ben Franklin, if you haven't been a good dude. The best way to make him happy is to serve him and the best way to serve him is to serve your fellow man.

Now, nobody has to talk to me about healthcare. It's my job because of individual salvation to be charitable. Because that will serve God. That's the key.

But I don't think these progressives — they look at God as something they can use. Again, here she is talking to a group of spiritual leaders about her — I love this — about her favorite word.


PELOSI: My favorite word is the word — is the word. And that is everything. And you know the biblical reference, you know the gospel reference of the word. It's — we have to give voice to what that means in terms of public policy that would be in keeping with values of the word.


BECK: Her favorite word — not two words, her favorite word is "the word." I love that.

Nancy, you know, you have a different word than I do, I guess.

One of the president's spiritual advisors, Jim Wallis, he is also saying that Marxism basically is what Jesus was. Watch.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you then calling for the redistribution of wealth in society?

JIM WALLIS, OBAMA SPIRITUAL ADVISER: Absolutely, without any hesitation. That's what the gospel is all about.


BECK: How — there couldn't be anything further from the truth. I've never felt charitable — I've never felt like I was serving God on April 15. I feel charitable when I give it. Jesus didn't say give all that money to Caesar and that person over there needs a coat, give all your money to Caesar and then he'll — Caesar will develop a program and buy that guy a pair of pants.

Then there's the president with his views on salvation.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: My individual salvation is not going to come about without collective salvation for the country.

My individual salvation rests on our collective salvation.

My individual salvation always depends on collective salvation.


BECK: Always depends. This is where it gets extraordinarily dangerous.

We talk about spirituality every day, but we are not making public policy. We don't have the power, the apparatus to force our beliefs in the law because my salvation is on collective salvation. It's a lie.

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