This is a rush transcript from "Glenn Beck," August 27, 2010. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GLENN BECK, HOST: We are less than 24 hours away from standing in front of that great building, the Lincoln Memorial, tomorrow.
I'm going to give you a little preview of something that's going to happen — kind of — at the Kennedy Center tonight. They're now at the Kennedy Center getting ready. Those who will join me on stage, but we'll talk a little bit about it tonight.
On this program, we've talked about the Black Robe Brigade before. These were preachers back in colonial America. They were called that because they wore black robes. That's what they wore while they were preaching.
The British didn't really like the preachers in America. In fact, the British placed the entire blame for the American Revolution on the preachers. They said if it wasn't for the preachers, the people in America would be one big happy British family.
So, when they came over to America, they started going after the churches and the preachers and they burned them down to the ground from New York to New Jersey to Virginia — and that's if you were lucky. Other churches were burned down with people boarded inside. The preachers — if you were caught, you were most likely killed if you were a preacher.
Now why? Why would the British blame the preachers for the American Revolution? What was it that they were saying that made them hate them so much? What was it that they were doing that was so bad for the king?
Well, they were preaching no king, but Jesus. No king, but God — the idea that your rights came from him and that all men were created equal and that people should have the right to live free and have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness because they were sons and daughters of God and that's who gave them the right — no king.
All of these things came from the pulpit before they came out of the mouth of Adams, or Jefferson, or Washington, or Franklin. It came from preachers first. And the British needed to stomp that out. So, first, they intimidated — the powerful king intimidated. And then, eventually, they just killed.
The words in our founding documents, many of them came from either the Bible or they came from the pulpit. The Bible, I have to tell you, I walked in today and I'm not going to rat this person out. But this is actually from a journalist's desk here at Fox — Bible readers. And it was open.
I mean, I walked in. It stopped me in mid-sentence. I walked in and I was like, hey — there's a Bible on your desk and it's open. When is the last time you saw that?
You know why things are so screwed up today? Because you might have one but you would never have it on your desk. You might have one, but when is the last time you opened it?
A lot of Americans have lost sight of that. And certainly, our country doesn't focus on the Bible anymore. Our neighbors in Canada think the Bible is hate speech now, believe it or not.
It wasn't always that way. In fact, this is kind of a new recent trend. The Founders relied on the Bible. Do you know that — do you know that more than 30 times all the other books, all the other things they could have read, more than 30 times the Book of Deuteronomy over everything else. That's what the Founders used.
Book of Deuteronomy, in case you haven't read it for a while, that's kind of the Laws of Moses stuff. Jefferson and Adams wrote to each other, they were famous pen pals. They wrote to each other late in life because they really hated each other in the middle of their life. One of the things they talked about, it's about 1820, was — one of them wrote and said, you know what we've done here? And said, yes, it's a miracle. He said, yes, I know but it's going to fail. And other one wrote back, yes, I know it's going to fail. Why are you such a fat pessimist? He said, I trust in the people.
And they weren't satisfied with what the system they created but they did their best. They said we should have put more Deuteronomy in there, should have gotten more into the framework. We tried, we tried!
When they started talking about the failure of the country, they said it's OK, though. It's OK, because when it fails, the people will remember what we were trying to do. And they'll do it right. Wow!
By the way, if that hasn't hit you yet, the country is failing. We're supposed to figure out what it was they were trying to do. It's up to you to do your homework. It's up to you to read history. It's up to you to read their blueprint in life.
What was their blueprint? Moses was their blueprint. Moses was such an important figure to the Founders. His images were everywhere. They wanted to make the image of the seal of America.
There it is. There it is. "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God." Look at that. That's the pillar of fire. Can you put it back up? There's the pillar of fire. And you've got the pharaoh being beaten back. You have Moses and the Ten Commandments. I mean, if that were the seal, I think we would have probably avoided a lot of trouble. You know what I'm saying?
Moses couldn't do it on his own and neither could the Founders. Neither can you.
Moses, I got to tell you, I'd be hacked off — I mean this. If I were Moses and God said from the bush, "Pick up the stick," you're sending me with a stick? That's it? You got all the — you know, cool stuff you can do with lightning but you're giving me a stick?
Yes. Yes. Trust in God. And the pillar of fire and the cloud.
We are lost. We are lost. We can't see very far in front of us, because we've got a little flashlight or better yet, sometimes I use my iPad to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night, to find my way, I just turn it on, I'm using my iPad to lead — that's the kind of light we've got.
God's light is not showing us this path. It's showing us where we're headed. It's a lighthouse, guiding the ship. And the lighthouse is on solid rock.
That's what we want to talk tonight about and I have a few great people with me to do it.
David Barton, first guest, founder and president of WallBuilders. He's also the author of "Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black and White."
And I have to say this about my good friend David Barton. David has been getting so much heat because he is standing with me. And I can't tell you how much I respect this man. And how much I think he is a true American hero.
DAVID BARTON, PRESIDENT, WALLBUILDERS: It's mutual.
BECK: And God bless him.
And also another American icon and hero, Dr. Charles L. Jackson. He is the pastor of Pleasant Grove Missionary Baptist Church in Houston, Texas.
And you have a few stories to tell us from the past and also where we're headed today. We spoke a couple of days ago on light and God's light.
And Dr. Richard Lee, senior pastor of the First Redeeming Church in Cumming, Georgia, and editor of the book, "The American Patriot's Bible: The Word of God and the Shaping of America" — which I have to tell you, I have a copy on my desk at home and I have a copy on my desk at my office. This should be in every person's home.
And Dr. Thomas Mullins — he's a senior pastor of the Christ Fellowship Church in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida. And good friend of mine as well.
DR. THOMAS MULLINS, CHRIST FELLOW CHURCH: Great to be with you, Glenn.
BECK: Good to be with you.
OK. Let's start with — let's start with the light concept. And I want to really kind of go to you, Pastor, because you talk to me. I do this thing online at 7:05 in the morning. We were having prayer meetings every morning, myself in my office, and decided to let people in on it and they can go online and just listen in.
You led one the other day and you talked a little bit about the light of God.
PASTOR C.L. JACKSON, PLEASANT GROVE MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH: Well, when you mention Moses and the five books of the Bible, the first book is Genesis where the earth is under darkness and God spoke and said, "Let there be light." But the spirit of God moved, covered the darkness and the whole Earth. That's what Moses said. And he showed us that without that light, you're under total darkness.
And that's why when you talk about the government, when you talk about the governor, when you talk about any person in politics, if he is not under the light, he's under darkness.
So, what I was telling you in my little summary — I saw you, I saw Dave Barton, and us, but I saw you as a person that God can use to show the whole world about the darkness and the light. And that's what you've doing — preaching, teaching.
Now, when you teach, you teach from the outside. But when you learn, the Holy Spirit learn you are on the inside. The word says, "Let there be light." Light came. Now push back darkness. Push back darkness.
And from that time, to this day, when God got in your mind, in your heart, to talk about that light coming back, talk about let that light so shine. I don't care if you are the president, if you are the governor, if you are senator, if darkness have you under it, then everything you do is filled with darkness.
BECK: I see the — because I think that kind goes to the idea of, that there is — we're not dealing — we're not battling against flesh and blood.
JACKSON: No, no.
JACKSON: Not battling with flesh and blood. I don't want to cut you off, because you're the king. I don't want to do that.
But darkness is the flush. See, in the Old Testament, God showed us, teach us, but in the New Testament, he does it for us. Everywhere I go, darkness, evil is with me. When you start talking about black liberated theology — the flush.
BECK: Can we jump off there? Can I just do a real quick — because there was a story in the "Christian Science Monitor" taking me apart saying that, oh, here's a new one. The president is suddenly, you know, for black liberation theology —
Well, first of all, that's what Jeremiah's church — Jeremiah Wright's church is. I mean, you listen to it, it's collective salvation. The president has given four speeches where he has taught collective salvation over personal salvation and liberation theology.
Am I the only one that doesn't believe in collective salvation? That that is — that is the antithesis to the Jesus message?
PASTOR RICHARD LEE, FIRST REDEEMER CHURCH: Yes, it's the antithesis. You know, Christ deals with individuals. Even John Chapter 3, which is a dynamic chapter on how we come to know God through Jesus Christ, he is dealing with a man, Nicodemus. Jesus is — we call him the personal savior.
This idea of collected salvation is basically an idea that is taking God's word, which is clear and plain, Glenn, and is twisting it for personal use and personal gain. That's all it is: personal gain.
BECK: Well, it started this — I mean, this whole liberation theology, this was Marxist in South America. I mean, they couldn't get in the government because the church is so strong, so they had to pervert it, and pervert the Catholic — ask the Catholics about it. They know exactly what it is. I mean, that's why the Pope says it's evil — he said it's demonic, not divine.
JACKSON: That's darkness, that's evil. It's inhuman.
So, when God comes and my preacher friends and my colleagues, David, you know, the preacher said to Jesus and this is literally, you planted this morning wheat. And if you stir the wheat that he planted, his word in their Jewish nation. He said, but I got up this morning and I saw tares. He said so, so he said but you didn't plant tares.
That's darkness. So he thought, I'll go out and destroy it. And so he said, no, I destroyed when I come. Nobody can move.
Why? Because the outer man is under darkness. And the inner man, the wheat under the light.
BECK: OK. So if we have — if we have this, because I — I would express this as natural man is an enemy of God.
JACKSON: It is.
BECK: Yes, natural man is the enemy of God. So, how do we get — let's come to the kind of the Founders, because they knew this.
And George Whitefield comes and says, my gosh, you're going astray, and he starts to put it together and people start to wake up. So, how is it, first — because I only have a minute — quickly tell what Whitefield saw and what he diagnosed as the problem that led to his preaching here?
BARTON: Yes, what he saw in America was a lot of separate groups. And that's a problem, because the gospel when it came, raised individuals up. That's what ticked the British off because we were suddenly all individuals. We had been subjects and groups before.
He saw that and he brought the individual message. And that's why the Declaration and the Constitution don't deal with groups, they deal with individuals.
That's what ticked the British off.
And so, as Whitefield preaches, what he did was elevate people individually where they were, brought them out. He's the first one to really start elevating blacks in America in a very serious way. That's where the abolition movement got started. It was the elevation of the individual.
And that's why collective salvation has always been wrong from the American viewpoint because that biblical — that's France. I mean, look at Malthus of France, brotherhood. No, we're individuals over here. They are groups over there.
We don't have groups, we have individuals. And that's why every man is created with inalienable rights. That came from the pulpit. That's in the Constitution and the Declaration, because of that.
BECK: Well, let me — let me go there and then we come back, I want to go there — what are the individual rights and how do you — how do you guys as preachers preach that from the pulpit and turn it — without turning it in to politics?
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