This is a rush transcript from "Glenn Beck," January 14, 2010. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GLENN BECK, HOST: Welcome to "The Glenn Beck Program." Part two of "Time to Be Heard." We're taking a cue from Dr. Martin Luther King, a look in the "Content of Character," sit-down with conservative African- Americans.
We had so much response from the first time we did this. We thought we'd do it again because there's a lot to talk about here — just the usury of people. We're really taking a — really taking our direction from Martin Luther King. "Let us stand with greater determination. Let us move on in these powerful days, these days of challenge to make America what it ought to be.
We have an opportunity to make America a better nation." Who doesn't believe that? Come on, it's going to be a great hour. Follow me.
BECK: All right. Hello, America. I have to — I have to tell you, I should have — I guess I should have said this yesterday when I was interviewing Sarah Palin because there were press reports today that I was crying the whole time with Sarah Palin.
My voice was cracking the whole time and trembling. I have a really bad cold and I'm losing my voice. That's why, actually, Charles Payne is with me today because he was with us on the last — the last "Time to Be Heard" special that we did and I'm asking Charles that if my voice starts to — because I'm so emotional, Charles, you know, that if my voice starts to go, then Charles will step in for me just a little bit.
I couldn't say that I was going to cancel the show today because if you remember right, the last time we did this, I had to cancel because I went into the hospital with appendicitis and then today I'm losing my voice. I think you guys are trying to kill me.
BECK: All right. So we do have Charles Payne with us. He's FOX Business Network contributor and the CEO of Wall Street Strategies. Also, our first guest, Lisa Fritsch, she's a writer and talk show radio host; newly-elected Northampton councilman Bruce Gilbert; Leette Eaton- White, she's a political commentator for Hip Hop Republican. Welcome all of you guys.
LISA FRITSCH, WRITER & TALK RADIO HOST: Thank you.
BECK: And, of course, the audience which you guys are never shy. You're never shy.
All right. So I want to start I guess with the news of the day. And I'm really kind of actually sick and tired of hearing about it. And I'm getting hammered for not talking about Harry Reid. I guess I'm a racist for not talking about Harry Reid now. But, personally, I think what's happened with Harry Reid is what's supposed to happen to Harry Reid. He said something stupid. He looks like an idiot, and then you move on with your life and you let the people decide.
CHARLES PAYNE, FOX BUSINESS NETWORK CONTRIBUTOR: Right.
BECK: Am I wrong by thinking that?
LEETTE EATON-WHITE, HIP HOP REPUBLICAN COMMENTATOR: No.
FRITSCH: No, you're right on.
EATON-WHITE: Yes, you're absolutely right.
PAYNE: The other thing I will say is that we all kind of — we all know that if it was reversed and he was a member of the Republican Party, this would be front page newspaper stuff and it would not go away.
PAYNE: Now, to your point — to your point, I think the people are going to decide. Right now, his poll numbers are abysmal. They've gone even further in Nevada.
So, it looks like people are going to express their opinion on this to the stupidity part of it, but the racial aspect of it has been swept away, unfortunately, by most of the — not just the media which we expect, but by a lot of the black leaders out there.
FRITSCH: Don't you think we're missing the point, though? I think what he did — not so much that it's racist — but what he did was is he took something that was way up here historically and something that people have been dreaming about for a long time.
PAYNE: You mean the presidency.
FRITSCH: The presidency. At the time Barack Obama was a senator and on his way to become president and he just squashed it down and belittled it to a point where it was denigrating the Negro and the light-skinned.
He treated it as if — not that Barack Obama was on his way to becoming president of the United States, like he was on his way to becoming Mr. Black USA or something like that. It was a serious.
BECK: I think I've seen a magazine spread.
FRITSCH: Do you see my point?
LEETTE EATON-WHITE, HIP HOP REPUBLICAN COMMENTATOR: Yes.
FRITSCH: It's not so much that it was racist, but the terms he used, ‘light-skinned’, ‘Negro’, so shallow and so disrespectful to not Obama, but the dream of the people that he was supposedly representing, black and white.
BECK: He sounded like — I mean, he sounded like somebody from my grandparents' era.
FRITSCH: It was ridiculous. When somebody comes out and said, "Oh, look at Michelle Obama, she looks very good, oriental. (INAUDIBLE).
FRITSCH: You don't do that. You don't do that.
EATON-WHITE: And not only that — and not only that, just the notion of a Negro dialect, we have a very bad habit of associating the way people speak with their race. We're giving the way people speak racial equivalents. And that's foolish.
PAYNE: Well, Leette, though some people would say that he was being honest about that. You know, listen, if someone calls your house and they're a telemarketer, you'll — sometimes you'll say, you know, I think it was a black guy who called me or it wasn't.
BECK: Wait, wait. There's a difference between...
EATON-WHITE: That's an assumption.
BECK: ...I don't think America is going to elect somebody who speaks Ebonics. But I don't think that anybody is going to elect somebody who's like, ‘Yeah! My name’s Jethro and I'm going to come on up...’
PAYNE: But the way — one way it can be interpreted, though, Glenn, is that — not that — President Obama said it was a compliment to him. It could have been a diss to all the other blacks, the dark-skinned blacks, the blacks who may not speak perfect English.
FRITSCH: No, no.
PAYNE: In that respect, I think a lot of people should be offended.
FRITSCH: But the reason why it was not a compliment to him because not once, if he wanted to compliment our president or anybody else, you talk about who they are. Their character. Their experience.
FRITSCH: Absolutely. Not one word.
BRUCE GILBERT, NORTHAMPTON COUNTY COUNCILMAN: Well, think about why that statement was made. Think about the timing of that statement that's somewhat convenient.
For years, if you've looked at the Democrat Party, what you'll see is they've used race as the tool to divide and eventually polarize a nation into conforming to — at the polls to voting the way they want them to vote. It's the oldest — it's one of the oldest forms in the book. What you do is you create the need and then you conveniently have a solution for whatever problem that, in this case, you created.
Now, I don't see racism here as the issue. I see the relevance here as race being used as once again, a tool to divide and conquer the nation. And I think the timing of the whole thing was rather convenient in a smoke and mirrors fashion.
BECK: Who thinks that it was also not only an insult to Barack Obama or to the African-American community, but also an insult to the American people?
EATON-WHITE: Oh, absolutely.
FRITSCH: That's exactly what I think.
EATON-WHITE: Absolutely. It's an assumption that America won't vote.
GILBERT: It makes them seem small enough to think that they would let something like that affect their wherewithal when it comes to going to the polls.
FRITSCH: It's an extension of what they really think and it exposes how they're incapable of looking beyond a person's character. And one thing I wrote about is, if they can't do that for some — for a man who is on his way to becoming president of the United States, how can they do it for each one of us in this room?
PAYNE: Well, it was an elitist. I mean, that's, you know, let's put it that way, too. It really was sort of elitist. There are only certain kind of people that can lead this country. That's why Sarah Palin wasn't qualified.
BECK: I was going to say, they're doing the same thing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BECK: Well, let me — let me ask you this: how many here think that America is a racist nation? You do? One.
BECK: Hang on. How many people here think that America is a good nation that does have some racists in it?
PAYNE: Well, obviously.
FRITSCH: Every nation is a good nation with racists in it.
BECK: With racists in it. I mean.
FRITSCH: And there’s good and bad people everywhere.
BECK: Do you think that we are a racist nation?
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: People have prejudices based on their backgrounds. And unfortunately, one of the main things people see is skin color.
BECK: But I — I agree with that, but I disagree with that as well. I think times have changed so much that you do see — I really think that we are in the era of the content of character. If people don't play it, if you're not playing it, and I think we have — we have been played as a society for so long by politicians, and we were talking before we went on the air and I can't believe how many people nodded their head saying, "Exactly right." When I was in — excuse my voice — when I was in Israel — I'm getting emotional.
BECK: When I — when I was in Israel, the first time, I remember walking down the street and, you know, Israel is divided into different sections.
And I went from the Jewish section to the Palestinian section and one was bright and clean and this one part of the Palestinian section, just an archway separated it, and the other was dark and dingy.
And I asked — I asked the guy I was with, I said, "What has happened here?" And he said, "We went from one quarter to the other." And I realized that the people aren't any different. It's the leadership that is different.
And in many cases — I mean, the bad things that Israel has done, bad things the Palestinians have done, and good things on both sides — but the leadership is using the Palestinian people and their plight to gain power. And it's the same thing that happens here.
FRITSCH: In our case, it's a lot worse — I'm sorry for doing it.
BECK: Oh, go ahead.
FRITSCH: They are taking the suffering that black people went through and replaying it and pitting us against each other with archaic stereotypes like the light-skinned, the dark-skinned, hoping it will keep us from realizing our destiny for greatness.
I say that if we're going to really have that dream of Martin Luther King come full circle, we've got to start having a higher opinion of where we've come from as slaves and see it as a position of strength and triumph instead of just the suffering and the woeful part of it, and be proud of that legacy and start — when someone brings it up, don't let the hurt come out. Be proud.
Let it inspire and motivate us and realize that God wouldn't have created us in this skin just to see us suffer and fail.
PAYNE: Well, also, I'll tell you guys now, it's always been about us versus them. And within — for black people, we've been taught, at least I was as a kid, that there are good white people and bad white people.
And the good white people, for the most part are Democrats and the bad white people are Republicans. And we know, if a Republican said exactly the same words that Reid said, it would be big time news because that was one of the ‘bad’ white people.
BECK: Yes. And so let me ask...
FRITSCH: But that's why we have to stop politicizing the values and make it about conservative values.
FRITSCH: Not the D and the R and just, who...
PAYNE: About right — right and wrong.
FRITSCH: Exactly, right and wrong.
EATON-WHITE: It's also about how we view the parties and how we teach our children about the parties. Speaking as a young person, when I meet people, the first thing I think of is not their color, it's how do they greet me. I don't see people's color when I first meet them. I think, how are they greeting me?
EATON-WHITE: How are they treating me? This is something that I've benefited from having been born, you know, 20 years after Martin Luther King.
BECK: Let me ask you this, I received a lot of calls from people when I talked about Harry Reid earlier this week on the radio, and I said, ‘let it go’. The guy is an idiot. I mean, how much more do you need? I mean, have you seen his policies?
BECK: He's not a guy who is in-line and in-step with the American people. This is just yet another sign of that. He's been exposed. He's been exposed as just an idiot and an elitist, et cetera, et cetera, and I got a lot of heat from conservatives who said, "We can't let it go." Yes. I think the double-standard...
PAYNE: I think conservatives are making a big mistake with all the things out there to get myopic on this. I mean, there are some multi- trillion dollar things out there...
PAYNE: ...that don't let this trip you up right now because you'll be looking at the wrong things.
BECK: All right. In the second row there — yes?
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: We have — as a nation, we're not a racist nation — we have racist behaviors, but we learn those behaviors. But that doesn't make us a racist nation. As to Harry Reid and his comment, I think we're missing the larger point there.
If President Obama cannot be offended by this, I don't know who can. He should be, because what he suggested — what Harry Reid suggested — that number one, had the president not been light-skinned, his chances of becoming president would have been less. And what the president suggested, also — I mean, what Harry Reid suggested also is that the president has this ability to be fake. In other words...
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: ...he can turn on a dialect when he wants to and turn it off when he wants to, depending on who his audience is. He's acting. That's what Harry Reid suggested. So, if the president can't see that, it's no wonder that he can't see the threat of terrorism.
FRITSCH: Maybe he sees it, but he agrees.
FRITSCH: That's dangerous.
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: The point is, you can't...
FRITSCH: His vice president.
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hold on one second, the point is, you can not let this go because what the Democrats have done — this is confronting it smash mouth in the black community by saying: this is how they feel, this is what they say behind our backs. These are the thought processes that go on.
You absolutely have to drive this point home because this is what the blacks who are voting, 95 percent for Democrats need to see. And if you let it go, you are — it's like saying, let's let slavery go. Let's let the civil rights movement go.
BECK: Wait, wait, wait. I'm saying — I'm not saying that you let it go. I'm saying you burn it in and you know exactly who these people are. But then you don't need to drive somebody out of office.
BECK: Let them destroy themselves.
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I agree.
BECK: And he already has.
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I agree with that but you have to get this point going forward.
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I think we're making a big deal out of this because, at the end of the day, Joe Biden, who is his vice president, said something extremely similar. He's young, black, articulate — as in black people are all dingy...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Clean.
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Clean, whatever.
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: So, Obama — Obama doesn't care. I mean, you can — as long as he has the power he wants, I don't think he really cares what anyone calls him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BECK: So, let me ask you this — let me ask you this, why is it — why does that not register with the African-American community? Why, when you bring on a guy who says, he's a clean, articulate — that is the most offensive thing I think I've ever heard. He's a clean, articulate guy, and then he excuses Harry Reid and he doesn't hold the same standard — why does that not register? Yes?
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I was going to — I was going to say, it's because there are certain people in the black leadership who have sold out their solidarity to black people and instead they're now working towards — they're working towards...
EATON-WHITE: A lot of people aren't paying attention.
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: ...white liberal agenda. So, they will come out and make all the excuses and all the apologies and that sort of smoothes over the anger you would feel from a Harry Reid statement.
It's just like Congressional Black Caucus, as soon as Harry Reid said the statement, they were out here saying, "Oh, yes, we support Harry. Look at his history, blah, blah, blah." So then that smoothes over the anger for everybody else.
EATON-WHITE: I mean, you know, it's not only that, it's also the fact that, you know, a lot of people, not just black people, but a lot of people in America, aren't really paying attention.
To most people, politics is exhausting and it takes a lot of time to really understand it. Anybody who is in this room has taken a lot of time to really understand what's going on.
And most people don't want to bother. So, when someone says something like that, it usually just flies by people's ears, they don't really pay attention to the real meaning behind it.
BECK: We can't — we can't be a successful country...
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Right.
BECK: ...unless we really start to pay attention.
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Pay attention.
BECK: We've all taken — we've all taken this for granted. I want to switch gears here for a second because I want to — again, it is about using...
BECK: ...using communities. We're now entering a time — this is just a prediction of mine and I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt I am — the main topic that is going to be happening or they're going to try to make it the main topic for the next election will be illegal immigration.
There is no one that is more pro-immigrant than I am. Immigrants renew us because of the very thing I just said: we forget who we are. We forget what we have. I want the immigrant who is opening up a business and is next to me and saying, ‘you guys realize what you have?’ That's important for us. But I want them to do it the right way. You come in the right door. They're going to call anyone who is against illegal immigration a racist.
EATON-WHITE: Or the center folks.
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I see on the blogs every single day about that same topic and I've been called everything under the sun.
But as I told them, you can attack the messenger, but you can not stop the message, because we don't — we welcome anybody to come here the right way.
But if you come sneaking across the border and you sit there and thumb your nose up at us, saying, ‘look, we are here, we're not going anywhere.’ And then the Democrats are sitting there using them to — immigrants against the black folks at the time now, you know?
And I think it's very wrong, you know, because I just moved out of a building where it's nothing there but illegals. You know, get rid of one group, another group come in and they stay to their selves.
They refuse to learn our language, you know, and all the schools now in that same particular town have to learn Spanish in order to communicate with these people. I think it's very, very wrong. It shouldn't be that way. You know, come here the right way, learn the language, you know, embrace us and we will embrace you back.
But you come here sneaking behind the back door, we're not going to welcome you with open arms, you know, because you're trying to make us — you want to change our laws to benefit you and that's not right.
FRITSCH: They're being used. It's like what you said — they're being used so that they can be the next round of victims.
EATON-WHITE: And not only that, you also hear a lot about like jobs and how illegal immigrants do the jobs that Americans won't do. I challenge any liberal, watch one episode of "Dirty Jobs" and you tell me an American won't do anything for a paycheck. We will walk chest-deep in feces for a paycheck.
GILBERT: In terms of immigration, the first thing that has to happen, which for some reason has not happened to date, is that it has to be controlled. If you think of immigration as you would think of a faucet that is leaking currently...
GILBERT: ...it's impossible to fix or repair that faucet while the water is running. The first thing you have to do is control the flow. Remember, in business, controlled growth is the best growth.
Now, the Statue of Liberty is what we need to remember. The Statue of Liberty describes and defines the mettle of our nation overall. The Constitution made it so.
Now, if we live that and remember who we are and what we are, if we decide to liquidate that and lose our own identity, these are the things that occur.
So, the first thing that must happen: it must be controlled. The second thing that must happen is: we must know who everyone who comes into our country is, and we welcome them with open arms. (INAUDIBLE)
BECK: Hang on. I got to take a break. We'll be back. We've got a lot, lot more coming up.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think conservatives want less government and they want the power back in the hands of the people.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of people think determinism means anarchy. That doesn't want it mean, determinism simply means the government should play a role in securing, what, a level playing field and let the people determine what it is they want to do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As Henry David Thoreau said, "I heartily accept the motto, ‘that the government which governs least governs best.’”
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (JEROME): Liberalism is just a little bit more about dependency as far as ideology goes. It's the collective and not so much the individual, which is good to a certain extent, but what makes America exceptional is conserving those actual principles of hard work.
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BECK: Jerome, you are — you are the man. Welcome back to our special: "Time to Be Heard: Content of Character." We've heard a lot about green color jobs especially from people like Van Jones.
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VAN JONES, FORMER GREEN JOBS CZAR: You cannot beat global warming unless you understand that 40 percent of greenhouse gases are not coming from cars, they're coming from buildings. And 75 percent of greenhouse gas emissions are coming from the cities.
You cannot beat green — you cannot beat global warming unless you green the cities. You cannot green the cities unless you green the ghetto. And you cannot green the ghetto in 2009 without giving Pookie a job.
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BECK: All right. So, there it is. Pookie.
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Pookie?
BECK: Pookie, that's for me.
BECK: So, green jobs apparently going to help the environment and break the cycle of poverty for African-Americans. Great, if it would work.
Others say that maybe it just might bankrupt the country and leave African-American communities and all communities worse off.
Charles Payne, a FOX Business Network contributor and the CEO of Wall Street Strategies, and here kind of to step in as my voice gets worse and worse.
Deneen Borelli, she is a Project 21 fellow and a FOX News contributor.
Niger Innis is a national spokesperson for the Congress of Racial Equality.
And David Webb is also business radio talk show called "TheGrinderShow.com."
All right. Where do we even start with this?
PAYNE: Well, first of all, I want you to know that Pookie is dark- skinned with Negro dialect.
PAYNE: Right off the bat, OK? So, he may not qualify for president, but we're going to give him a green job.
DENEEN BORELLI, FELLOW, PROJECT 21: Thank you for taking care of Pookie.
BECK: Yes. Well, doing everything I can.
BORELLI: Green jobs are nothing but a myth. If they were so great, why do they require government funding? Why are the taxpayers paying for ‘green jobs’?
BECK: Well, they'll say that that's because we have to put the initial investment in it. It's kind of like, you know — if this nuclear bomb would work, why do we have to have the Manhattan Project?
BORELLI: Oh, yes.
BECK: That would be their excuse.
BORELLI: You look at Spain, it's not working, OK? They have the highest unemployment rate in the E.U. For every green job, it takes the place of a regular job. It's like 2.2 jobs. So, Obama wants to use their blueprint. That's wrong.
NIGER INNIS, NATIONAL SPOKESMAN, CONGRESS FOR RACIAL EQUALITY: And I'll tell — I'll tell you, Glenn, and Deneen is right, what this is — it's called bait and switch.
I think those within the administration and within Congress that are pushing this agenda around energy and the environment realize that the people that are going to get hurt the most — as government picks and chooses energy winners, you know, which are going to be alternative energy as opposed to energy losers, big, bad oil, and fossil fuels, other fossil fuels — they understand that as government steps into this economy, that the biggest losers are going to be poor and working class people.
So, they bring in Van Jones to say, "Oh, no, we're going to be bringing jobs, not take away jobs from you," which is really what’s going to happen.
BECK: The president has already said, if his energy plans go through, energy prices would necessarily skyrocket. Those are his words.
DAVID WEBB, BUSINESS RADIO HOST, THEGRINDERSHOW.COM: Yes.
BECK: So, David, you have nobody to blame if you're President Obama and the Democratic Party. How do you get away with this?
WEBB: Well, first and to your point, if you're going to give Pookie a job but you tax the corporations to where they move out of the neighborhood.
BECK: I think Pookie should get his own... (INAUDIBLE)
BECK: ...should get his own show.
WEBB: Then Pookie won't have a job to go to because the corporation has left the building or the neighborhood in this case.
And if you have nobody to blame, part of the problem is the black community is so ingrained after generations that they will believe what is being fed to them by the Democrats.
And before the election, they show up, throw a block party, ‘we're going to give you all of this’ so that culture of dependency needs to be broken. And the Democrats right now don't want to break the culture of dependency. They want to create more entitlements.
BECK: Do you feel like the African-American community is waking up at all? Because a lot of America is waking up. They're seeing — whoa. I mean, I'm seeing — I'm seeing Republicans who I thought were zombie Republicans and would always be a Republican, waking up and saying, "Wait, wait, wait."
BORELLI: I hope more and more people are. But because what Americans want are jobs, period. And with cap-and-trade, for example, which is a tax on energy, it's a job killer.
So to me, this policy that the Obama administration is pushing is going to do more harm than good.
INNIS: And that's critical because the fact is, it is the final frontier for achieving the equality of opportunity society that we all want to achieve.
I mean, quite frankly, you voted against him, you voted for him, Barack Obama's presidency, frankly, Michael Steele's, RNC chairman, represents that we have made such great strides as a country since the bad old days.
But if there's one last frontier, it's the economic arena and the beauty of the free-market system is not that it rewards the rich. It rewards those who want to be rich. And it rewards economic mobility and these cap-and-trade schemes will kill that.
PAYNE: And let me tell you, guys, this whole solar thing — I mean, last Friday, when the jobs report number came out, we lost 85,000 jobs instead of creating jobs that everyone thought. And the president said, "Well, we're going to do something else. We're going to do $2.3 billion in tax credits for solar panels."
INNIS: Picking and choosing.
PAYNE: And it's going to create 17,000 jobs. We just lost — I mean, the math is so bad. Let me — I got to tell you, while we're doing all of this, because all of this is just a scam to redistribute wealth. While we're doing all of this, China is cutting 25 year deals for gas, oil with Russia.
BECK: OK. Hang on. I've got to — I've got to take a break. Big government is what we're talking about and they're — and how they just steamroll people and use people. Favors, special favors, are you the right person? Big government, how it's hurting you and everybody — next.
BECK: We have to say a prayer for the people in Haiti. I fear that things are going to heat up and become much, much worse here in the next few hours as 72 hours seems to be the secret number where people start to lose hope and the bad guys rise up and start to take things into their own hands. Hopefully we'll be there in time with enough force from around the world to let the people know that law and order still rules in Haiti.
You'll have to excuse me and my voice. I have been sick for the last few days. But I couldn't miss this special tonight and I couldn't cancel it because the last time we had it scheduled was — I went into the hospital for appendicitis. I think the audience is trying to kill me. Help.
It's "Time to be Heard: Content of Character"; we want to switch gears here and look a little bit at big government and how it has really only built a culture of dependency with government and the African-American community.
Our panel for this segment is Charles Payne, Angel Robinson, she is a local coordinator with the Campaign for Liberty and Brandon Brice, he's a community organizer in Harlem. Charles is over at the blackboard. I swear, every time...
CHARLES PAYNE, FOX BUSINESS NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Hey listen, I like getting the blackboard.
BECK: ... you're back on my blackboard and by the way, why are you writing on a blackboard? Why don't you write on a white board?
PAYNE: I tried and you just can't read it.
BECK: All right.
PAYNE: Glenn, I want to talk about, because right now in this country, right? It's all about big government getting bigger and bigger and bigger and why it's so dangerous and why I know it's so dangerous because of what it's done to the black community.
If you guys remember, in the summer of 1960, Martin Luther King, Jr. was arrested in Atlanta. He was in a sit in. And it was a peaceful sit in and he was still in jail.
JFK called the family in October. Bobby Kennedy called the judge and the jailer.
Martin Luther King, Sr., was a lifelong Republican and he backed Richard Nixon. When they made those phone calls, he became a Democrat and from that moment on, the Democrats and the liberals have had us lock, stock and barrel.
So let's talk about 50 years of what's happened to black people by blindly allowing big government to take over their hopes and dreams. In 1960, the life span of a black person was — by the way, these are numbers that I’ve compiled, that I found, people may want to dispute them — life expectancy for blacks were seven years less than whites.
Right now, white people live to 78, blacks to 72. Fifty years we've made up about six years. 50 percent of black kids did not graduate high school in 1960. In Detroit, the dropout rate is almost 75 percent.
BECK: It's unbelievable, wow.
PAYNE: In Los Angeles, 35 percent.
PAYNE: And you can go down this road. Baltimore, Baltimore it's about what — 60 percent. And in the suburbs, it's 30 percent.
BECK: Charles, don't you think — let me stop you here for a second. Don't you think this is about the breakdown of the family? I don't think government can solve this...
PAYNE: No, it gets broken down because of this. It gets broken down because of this. When you give all your hopes and your dreams, when you take it from the family, when you...
BECK: Well, when your family...
PAYNE: ... you give, but we gave it away.
BECK: ... when dad is Uncle Sam...
BRANDON BRICE, COMMUNITY ORGANIZER, HARLEM: Exactly.
ANGEL ROBINSON, CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY: Right.
BECK: ... that's the problem.
PAYNE: This is the result, though...
PAYNE: ... of when you allow big government to take the place.
PAYNE: Ok, black people made half of what white people made. Well, today the black person makes $33,000 a year, the average white person, $45,000 — $55,000. That hasn't changed too much. In 1950, only eight percent of black households were led only by a woman. That was 20 percent...
PAYNE: ... by 1960. Right now, by some reports, only 29 percent of black households have a father, have a male figure. Yes?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Together with the amount of discrimination and racism that we had in the 1960s and compare it to the opportunities of today, it's actually much worse.
ROBINSON: It's actually much worse and Glenn is right. The number one priority of conservative values is faith first. And then to get the family back because the best antidote to racism and poverty are those conservative values and excellence and a father in the home is one of those.
PAYNE: The key though...
BECK: I know.
PAYNE: ... is the key is that we cannot give our souls and the people around — it's not just...
BRICE: Yes I know.
PAYNE: ... well, we've fallen into the trap. We fell into the trap. But the government — the country right now is on the cusp of perhaps falling into the same trap.
BECK: Wait, let me, let me...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An important note here about black families that in the 1960s, 80 plus percent of black children were born to a two- parent household. That shift has gone completely the other way where most black children in the 80 percentile range are now born to single family households. When you think about that, that breakdown in the family, that is so key to what's going on in the family.
BECK: Brandon, this is kind of — really what Bill Cosby talked about and was hammered for.
BRICE: Well, essentially because one of the things that Bill Cosby said was you needs to be accountable. You need to be responsible.
But the more important thing is when we look at as Republicans, as conservatives, when we talk about the fear of big government, we have to remember that big government, whether you like it or not, it's the perceived notion that they're taking care of much of low income America right now especially at a time during this depression.
Maybe the solution should be more on smarter government. More responsible government and I believe that if that happens, then what you'll have is you automatically shift to being smaller government because it will be based on principle.
BECK: All right.
BRICE: People, right now, right now, much of the American public, much of the lower income minority neighborhoods are dependent upon this, so you can't say, you can't speak against something that is supporting the lower masses, whether you like it or not.
BECK: So Angel, don't you think that this is a result — I mean, because I think the Republicans — the Republicans are just as shady if you will in many ways — this is really a result of a bloc, a voting bloc blindly following and no matter what you do, you can't shake them. The Democrats, they just assume African-Americans are going to not vote for the Republicans. So what do they have to do?
PAYNE: Well, go ahead...
ROBINSON: Well, I used to be a Democrat. So I know where they're coming from. And you're born into this culture and you think that the government is supposed to take care of you and it's not just African- Americans.
BRICE: Oh, no, exactly.
ROBINSON: It's this entire country. Everyone thinks that they're entitled to some sort of living from the government. So we need to get rid of that sort of thinking. But that comes from the government stepping in and saying, "Hey, we will take care of you." Everyone deserves a living as opposed to saying that everyone has the right to earn his living. So if we shift the focus to that and don't provide — if you provide someone with an outlet or with...
BECK: An escape.
ROBINSON: An escape hatch, they will take it. It's in human nature to do as little as possible to get the greatest result.
BECK: One of my favorite quotes from a founding father is from Ben Franklin, "The best way to help people out of poverty is to make them uncomfortable in their poverty."
BRICE: Right exactly.
ROBINSON: It's like a domesticated animal. Never learns to hunt because you give it...
ROBINSON: ... food all the time. Well, we never learn to live and to earn the things that we want because they're given to us.
BECK: We have got to take a break. We've got to take a break. Breaking the cycle of poverty and how it's being exploited by ACORN, up next.
BECK: Welcome back to our special program, "Time to be heard: Content of character". Looking at groups like ACORN now, they claim to help people, but do they? They claim to help labor; when it comes to unions, they're one and the same. Are they helping just themselves in reality?
Charles Payne is here, Kevin Jackson, author of "The Big Black Lie," Marcel Reid, ACORN 8th Chair and one of the bravest people that I know, Jerome Hudson is a retail sales consultant. So let me start with you Marcel, it's always good to see you.
You're — you are somebody who was inside of ACORN. You demanded — let me open up the books here because something is not right. And they've — well, they've come after you and everybody like you, everybody who is wanting to open up ACORN. Tell me, tell — in a nutshell, the game that ACORN plays.
MARCEL REID, ACORN 8 CHAIR: I came to ACORN not in the traditional method. I read a book. It was listed as a resource in the back of the book and I joined ACORN.
I always tell the story because I want people to understand that poverty sometimes is not the result of not having enough education. Oftentimes poverty is the result of not knowing where to apply that education.
So ACORN was a way that I thought that I could give back. I majored in Sociology. I'd never had a chance to use it. And ACORN was my way to give back and to see if we could actually do something socially, structurally to change the poverty I'd been seeing.
I joined it. I believed in the mission that there was more strength in numbers than alone. I think all of us know that, having been alone at some point. And what happened with ACORN was that I saw that they had a vested interest in people being un-empowered. I'm not sure that's a word, but they certainly did not have a...
BECK: Why? What gave them, what was their interest in making sure that people remained down?
REID: Because it's much easier to tell people what they should think than to have people that are independent enough to think for themselves.
BECK: So who's on the top gaining the power? Where does that lead them, in your view?
REID: I think that the power at the top of ACORN is because they want to restructure actually the way we think here in this country.
BECK: So how do we — when we have a system where — I'm reading a book on the Romans in England and when the Romans marched in and tried to take over England and one of the things that they did was give gifts, break people up into groups, give gifts and try to get into the communities and enslave people that way.
It's really I mean, in a lot of ways it's the ACORN structure.
How do we break that? How do we go in and change that?
We've got no gifts. What you have is people coming into the community and saying, "Boy, life is going to get tough for you because we’ve got to shut all these taps off."
KEVIN JACKSON, AUTHOR, "THE BIG BLACK LIE": Well, in by my opinion what, we've got to do is we've got to really start playing hard ball. The black community has been soft pedaled for so long and nobody is — everybody is afraid to attack the issue. I think the bigger issue — I mean, you've got a group of black conservatives here. We've all got our scars from trying to go in and do this.
What we've got to do is get people like you and the rest of the conservatives to stop being so politically correct in dealing with the black community and confronting these issues head on and saying, I'm not a racist. I'm not an elitist and unlike the government, I really am here to help and I'm going to help you by giving you an opportunity. I'm not going to give you a handout."
BECK: But you do – we’ve got to wrap it up. But I want to come back with this question. When you're somebody in my position or anybody else's position, you're taking the arrows just like you guys take. I don't know if — I think you can now.
I don't know a year ago if you could survive a coordinated attack saying, ‘you're a racist for that.’ And I believe that's where we're headed yet again.
I mean, Jerome, I'd like you to — I'd like you go there here in a second when we come back.
BECK: As always, we are running out of time. We're back to our special “Time to Be Heard: Content of Character”: How we break the cycle of poverty in the African-American community and how we stop really the cycle now that is spreading like a cancer throughout our society.
We go to Jerome here — Jerome.
JEROME HUDSON, RETAIL SALES CONSULTANT: Abortion. Abortion has killed more black babies than Robert Byrd and the KKK ever imagined.
But would you hear or have President Obama or Eric Holder have a rally outside of an abortion clinic? No, because unfortunately, our president doesn't even want his own daughters punished with a baby. So we can't look to most of black leadership to lift the black community out of this.
We need to look to Martin Luther King, a man that fought against the moral authority in the 50s and 60s that was racist.
It was largely Democrat party mandated racism and this man marched with him and others and freed, it was a cultural shift because we are at war. We are at war right now.
BECK: We're really at a war, Kevin, with a war of words. And I think those words are going to start losing. I think they already have. They have no meaning anymore.
JACKSON: The problem is that we've got 95 percent of blacks voting monolithically and they want to get the other 5 percent. Ask yourself that question. What is so — what is the need to get people like us wrangled in on this other side? Why can't we separate our vote...
BECK: How does that manifest itself? With them trying to get the last...
JACKSON: The problem is it's become a cancer because once they've gotten us wrangled in, we talked about illegal immigration, what's the next step?
Let's get these people monolithically voting this way and thinking this way. And then the cultural shift is, let's become a socialist nation and nobody is willing to work for anything.
BECK: You were saying Marcel about it's difficult to have any kind of monolithic thinking because we were talking during the break, that you would switch over here or over here, we've seen that both Republicans and the Democrats, they're about power.
REID: That's right.
BECK: So it doesn't matter which direction you go. It has to be empowering the individual and it's good to be working together and being a group, but you must still be an individual that thinks for themselves.
REID: Very quickly, I want to say that I hear this now all the time. Somehow if we were not Democrats and we were Republicans, things would be different.
But I come from Republicans who turned Democrat. Things were bad for them when they were Republicans and things were bad for them when they were Democrats.
But things are better for you when you think for yourself.
PAYNE: Absolutely. That’s what it boils down to.
REID: And it's the thinking for yourself that makes the difference. It really does not have a party assignment.
PAYNE: When you give your soul away and your mind away and your brain away — and Martin Luther King gave a speech at Riverside Church April 4, 1967, one year before he was killed, assassinated, and it was against the war.
He said that we have taken away the most prestigious and most cherished things of these people, the family and the village. T
hink about this. The way we are going about our lives, we have let big government, liberal thinking take away our most cherished thing as a race, our family and our village.
It's time for us to get it back. BECK: Back in just a second.
BECK: Here's a couple of — couple of final thoughts. We were just sitting here and chatting in the break and Charles said you know, — tell it quickly, tell the story about keeping it real.
PAYNE: The idea that we all should think the same and we heap that upon ourselves. You talk about content of character, but black people put pressure on each other. ‘Hey, you're not keeping it real,’ like we all have to think the same way.
BECK: And it's funny because the last — the thing I try to teach my children is, "Don't think like anyone else; think outside the box."
America, we'll see you again. From New York, good night.
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