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Time to Be Heard: Glenn Beck's Special on Black Conservatives in America

This is a rush transcript from "Glenn Beck," November 13, 2009. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GLENN BECK, HOST: America, you're going to — you're going to see something tonight that I don't think you see very often on television, people that I think the media think don't exist.

They do exist and it's time for them to be heard.

(MUSIC)

BECK: Oh, that was kind of cool. I've never seen that before!

Hello, America. Tonight, we have a special, "Time to Be Heard." The idea of this program actually came when I was speaking to my friend Charles Payne. He was on my show, when did you first tell me the story about the briefcase?

CHARLES PAYNE, FOX BUSINESS CONTRIBUTOR: I told you about a month and a half ago.

BECK: About a month and a half to go.

PAYNE: Yes.

BECK: He cried like a baby on my show.

(LAUGHTER)

BECK: That's my gig, man!

So, I asked Charles to take me to where he grew up in New York. He showed me a neighborhood in Harlem where he used to live, the neighborhood where other African-American kids used to beat him up for talking white, or wanting a briefcase, because he always wanted to be a businessman, or wearing nice clothes.

Charles shared his story with me and I want to show you a little bit of it.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BECK: This is different than what it was when you were growing up?

PAYNE: Oh, absolutely. Just — just trees, grass, and, you know, some of the beautification stuff they're doing right now. This was an empty lot for at least a decade, and we used to throw rocks all the time.

BECK: You said, we walked by this building. You said this is really, what, it felt like this. When you lived here, it was more like this.

PAYNE: Yes, you had these kinds of buildings, two or three of them on each block, or just — you had lots that just were totally empty, and for a long time.

BECK: And you — you lived in that building. When you first moved to Harlem, you lived on that building. One room.

PAYNE: Yes. It was me, my mother, my two brothers — we lived in one room.

BECK: You were — how old when you lived here?

PAYNE: I think we got here when I was 12 — 12 or 13.

BECK: Twelve. And you wanted to be a businessman. You always want -
- like I coming, I'm just in a shirt and a sweatshirt. You wanted to dress like this when you were a kid?

PAYNE: Ever since I was a little kid, I want to be a businessman.

BECK: From there, you guys moved all the way down — how many rooms did your family have in this?

PAYNE: We had two rooms. My mother had a room, and me and my brothers shared a room.

BECK: And right above that air — right above that air conditioning?

PAYNE: Right, the fourth floor.

BECK: That's where 12-year-old Charles Payne is right.

PAYNE: Looking out the window listening to old — one of those old Japanese radios, you know? But this is where, like, to give you an example, the building was like, oh, man, it was really tough. We had no locks on the building. Anytime you walked in there would be someone, maybe a whino, occasionally a drug addict. And so, you'd have to step up over that person to walk up four or five flights of stairs. And, you know, it was — it was obviously shocking, just culture shock.

We had, you know, a lot of fights in this school here. But definitely, it was tough because there was this real weird thing like, you know, if you spoke a certain way, you were trying to be white or act white
— oh, we got in a lot of trouble for our clothes, for wearing the wrong clothes.

BECK: So, you got a briefcase.

PAYNE: Right.

BECK: What happened?

PAYNE: Well, I got it for Christmas. I was so happy when I got it. And then the great thing about it was I got a bonus gift. When I opened it up, there was a calculator in there, too. So, to say the least, that was a great Christmas for me.

And, you know, I would walk and take it to school, and one day. And, you know, I left it in my homeroom class. It was a plastic briefcase, and it had a little cheap lock. I come back and it's cracked open.

And it just — it just blew me away because my mother worked so hard. I worked hard. I started working almost as soon as we got here. We had nothing, Glenn. There was a store on the corner. That was my first job.

When I didn't — when I didn't have money for that and need more money, right here at this corner, I would buy paper towels and Windex and clean windshields and when people stopped, for whatever they would give me. I packed my bags. In the winter, I would buy shovel and go store to store to store to store, and, you know, hey, can I shovel your snow? Whatever it took — because I was the oldest. So, I was thrust into a sort of responsibility.

BECK: Where did you go to college?

PAYNE: Minot State College in North Dakota and Central Texas College. I went through the Air Force to go to college. That was one of the only ways you could get out of here, you know, if you didn't play professional sports, or at least that was one of the only ways I thought you can get out of here.

And I think that's one of the big problems now is within a lot of black communities, that the thought is limited that you can only get out through rapping or being a professional athlete and, you know, no one has really talked about going through academics and things like that.

BECK: Did you vote for Obama?

PAYNE: I did.

BECK: Why?

PAYNE: I did — I was torn. I voted for him and then I voted all Republican. I was torn — I did it mostly out of sense of obligation to Rosa Parks, Medgar Evers, Martin Luther King, people of my family who came up through Alabama.

I'm really disappointed in a lot of ways. And I got to be honest with you. The president is getting a free pass within the black community on so many things. Where are the jobs? What are you doing for the little people? We're supposed to have a trickle-up economy. I remember those words distinctly.

BECK: I do, too.

PAYNE: Trickle up. You don't trickle up when you give AIG billions and you give Goldman Sachs billions. You don't trickle up from there.

BECK: So, what is it that we — what is it we do?

PAYNE: Well, look, I'm just hoping that somehow the kids — you know, because it's always about the youth — somehow the kids will be able to look around and say, "Listen, this is a guy, President Obama, who made it and I want to follow his footsteps and use his footprint."

He made it through education. He's a wonderful speaker. He's got a great education. And that, to me, is ultimately how to turn all of this around.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BECK: Charles, I was — and I'm puzzled not just by your life experience as an African-American kid where, you know, you get beat up for wanting to excel. I think this — we open it up to everybody here — I think this is happening to all of America, where we're being told now, you can't make it and somebody's got to be there to help equalize everything. I think we're headed towards really dangerous territory.

PAYNE: I have to agree 1,000 percent. When you look at the role models for kids, and again, it doesn't matter what the color, you know? The message is that, you know what? It's almost like the dumber you are, the better chance you have of getting a reality TV show, or landing a record contract.

(LAUGHTER)

BECK: Wait a minute that. Hang on. That doesn't speak kindly for me! I have my own show.

(LAUGHTER)

BECK: It's worked for me, America! Come on in!

PAYNE: But really, this is really something if Americans aren't afraid right now, then they have their head in the sand. And the real sad problem is, all of these influences, all these pop culture influences have a — they have a lot more influence over the kids than the parents do. So, you can imagine if it's a single parent just busting their butt trying to pay the rent, but, you know, that's the reality. And that — this is why America is on a very slippery slope right now.

BECK: Let me — who thinks we're headed towards socialism?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, absolutely.

BECK: OK. You think we're there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, we're there.

BECK: OK. What I'm trying to understand — what I'm trying to understand is, if the government is playing dad, that's what's happening, the government is playing dad, he's going to equalize absolutely everything.

And if I'm the dad, and I got two brothers, and let's say one is successful and one is not successful, and I teach the brother who is not successful and really isn't trying and for whatever reason, that dad is just going to equalize and take from the brother who's doing well and just keep giving it to the other brother, at some point, don't both brothers give up? Don't they both just — because one can, "Why am I working so hard, you're just giving it to him?" And the other doesn't have to work.

LISA FRITSCH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: I think we're fighting for our right to be individuals. And what socialism does is it kills the spirit of the individual, your right to dream, your right to say, "This is who I am," your briefcase, and collectively, black people have always melted together and have been thought of monolithically.

And so, now, we are being challenged with speaking out and saying, "I'm going to fight for my right to have a briefcase. I'm going to fight for my right to be a chef. I don't want to be a rapper. I don't want to be a football player. My dream might be to be a painter." And we.
PAYNE: And, by the way, there are more millionaire chefs than there are millionaire rappers out there by the way.

FRITSCH: And exactly, and we have to encourage that.

BECK: Really?

PAYNE: Yes.

BECK: Wow.

Maurice, you voted for Barack Obama.

MAURICE SHERROD, BARTENDER: Yes, I did.

BECK: But you think we're headed towards socialism and...

SHERROD: In some ways.

BECK: OK.

FRITSCH: Am I the only one up here who did not vote for Barack Obama?

(LAUGHTER)

FRITSCH: How can this happen? OK.

BECK: You know what? I have to say — I have to say, I'm reading — I don't know if anybody has read this book yet "America's Prophets." Have you read this? It's actually about Moses. It is a fantastic. I'm not done with it.

But I just, last night, was — I don't even know where it is — it's about halfway through, and it talks about the Underground Railroad. And I have to tell you the American — the African-American experience is overwhelming, just overwhelming.

And I think if — if the roles were reversed and I saw the first white guy to be president, even if I disagreed with him, I might — unless I thought he was the anti-Christ, I would — I might go, "You know what, I want the guy to win, just — let's break that barrier." I think there is something to be said for that.

SHERROD: But, Glenn.

BECK: Whoa!

SHERROD: I'm sorry.

BECK: Apparently not.

SHERROD: I didn't vote for Barack Obama just because he was an African-American.

BECK: Sure.

SHERROD: I voted for Barack Obama because I felt that he was the best candidate that was running and the issues that he was running on, which was change. You know, I felt in my heart that.

(LAUGHTER)

BECK: We got that! We got change!

SHERROD: I felt in my heart that he would be the best person to run the country.

BECK: OK.

SHERROD: Yes.

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: I have to tell you, I honestly.

FRITSCH: I feel like we're beyond that rich history and everything we've been through, and the struggles that we've overcome, and the values that our ancestors set for us, the conservative values, I couldn't allow myself to vote for him for that very reason.

(APPLAUSE)

FRITSCH: I felt like he should not represent me I was taught to be when the — I was — I was waffling. But when the Jeremiah Wright thing came out, that wasn't who I am, and I felt like I was past the point where I had to, you know, play up to the fact that, "Oh, I'm doing this because he's black and he, you know, he looks nice, and he went to Harvard and his wife." I didn't fall for that. I thought, you know, you have to stand up, and you have to represent us the way — the way we expect you to. You have to rise to our level.

BECK: How many people here — how many people here identify themselves as African-Americans?

OK, why?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's interchangeable.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Black, black.

BECK: But wait, wait. No, why not identify yourselves as Americans?

(CROSSTALK)

FRITSCH: When people go look at you and said, "You're black," you can't escape that.

BECK: Yes. But I don't identify myself as a white or a white American.

FRITSCH: But look at you, I mean, you have — you know, we're black. I don't mind being black. I love being black. I embrace that.

BECK: No, no. But...

FRITSCH: I don't embrace the African part of it because I was born here. My great grandparents were born here. Sure, we came here. Thank God we come here. Thank God we landed here and we triumphed here and we overcame here. But I don't consider anything about me African.

WILL BROWN, NY REPUBLICAN COMMUNITY COALITION: It is a revolution from the N-word. So, yes — I mean, if we are going to be called anything versus what we were called, my preference would be African-American.

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: This is one of the problems that I have. And I have to tell you, as a white guy — as a white guy — I'm just being real honest with you — as a white guy, white people are uncomfortable sometimes saying, you know what, Martin Luther King, and then quoting Martin Luther King because it's almost as if society says, "No, no, no, that's our guy, not your guy." And it shouldn't be that way.

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: And so, Martin Luther King wasn't the dream that we're all judged by the content of our character?

JEROME HUDSON, RETAIL SALES CONSULTANT: The fundamental issue with America, the content of our character. I mean, the very thing that God gave us to hold us together is the very thing that tears us apart. It's race and it's a part of socialism as well.

I mean, America and why America is great, God bless it, is because of merit — there's a meritocracy. You don't see affirmative action in sports. You don't see affirmative action in football and in basketball. But...

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: Go ahead.

MYCHAL MASSIE, PROJECT 21: Picking up on what my colleague just mentioned, and certainly echoing Lisa, what we have in America is an amalgamation of people that have joined together as one, which should have joined together — fundamentally together as one, that being Americans. And when we add hyphenations into that, irrespective — and certainly Abbey Thurston, I applaud her, she's a great scholar, but I disagree. We are Americans and to say that it's perfectly OK to interchange one for the other with your color or you're black or you're this, I'm an American first.

When I walked into the studio, I did not walk in as black. I did not walk in as African anything. I walked in as Michael Massie, chairman of Project 21, an American.

(APPLAUSE)

MASSIE: Now, I mean, that doesn't — that allows me to become comfortable within myself. I owe no one nothing but myself. Did I get up and work today? Did I — did I add to — did I give something to my community? Did I do something to enhance what I do, work-wise and so forth?

(CROSSTALK)

FRITSCH: American whites say of themselves, they don't say, I'm Chinese or I'm French American or I'm German.

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: Please, go ahead. Go ahead, please.

KHALID THOMAS, GUEST SERVICE ATTENDANT: But you know what? I want to get to this whole Barack. A lot of people voted for Barack. I don't think they vote for him because he's black. First, he had to be a Democrat, because once you become conservative, you are no longer black, and we all know what that's about. So, I think...

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: Wait, I'll come back here. I'm going to come back to you.

How many people here have, first, it's — you don't necessarily want to be seen on television on this program or on FOX News or a conservative. I mean, how many people here — by a show of hands — have experienced anything like a "I'm a sellout to my race" or I'm...

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: OK. So, back to — so, back to Khalid. Back to Khalid. Khalid, go ahead. Go ahead.

THOMAS: No, and I was going to say that. And that's the thing. Ken Blackwell ran for governor of Ohio. He did not get any support. Why, because he's a Reagan conservative. He was the wrong party. So, a lot of people, it's not about race. Democrats trump race when it comes to a lot of African-American votes.

BECK: Yes, up here.

(INAUDIBLE)

RICHARD FAIR, GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS SPECIALIST: That's why we actually lost. And for me, personally, the reason why I came, you know, no disrespect to Mr. Massie, but when people say, "Oh, well, I'm not about the racial thing," what color are you when you have to deal with the police? I mean, realistically, stuff is going to happen.

(APPLAUSE)

FAIR: So, personally, when I came — not to argue with you, brother, you know, but personally, why I came is, I would like to change the image of what black and conservative actually means. I think — I think a lot of times what we're all doing as a group — I love everybody here, because we all got to, you know, fight to struggle. I'm a conservative.

What I — what I hate is, I kind of see everybody going, "Obama ain't nothing," and then they'll go — it's almost like playing the victim card, and they'll go, "Here is my book." It's almost like — that's the mob. So.
BECK: Wait a minute. I don't understand what you're saying. What do you mean?

FAIR: No, I think what — I think — not to diss the brother on the panel, but to me, it's almost like you're playing the victim card, like, I think people beat you up because they just perceived you as weak.

(CROSSTALK)

FRITSCH: No. They beat him not because he was a black boy with a brief case!

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: All right. Order in the courtroom here.

PAYNE: The brother on the panel has got to say something about that. I've never been weak.

(CROSSTALK)

PAYNE: No, no.

FRITSCH: You look a little white.

PAYNE: No, no. They saw me as being different, OK? And it wasn't a matter of being weak. It was a matter that it was just me and my brothers versus maybe 20, 30 people. But the main point, though, is, is that this is not something that was isolated. There is a serious problem within the black community in keeping it real, and if you do speak proper English, you are going to have a problem, and if you do get straight As, you are going to have a problem.

(APPLAUSE)

PAYNE: Let me tell you right now, my man, no, let me tell you something right now. Let me tell you something. If we keep lying about it, it will never change, all right?

(APPLAUSE)

BECK: Hang on just a second. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on.

I don't think I'm — I don't think I'm with Americans. I feel like I'm in parliament!

(LAUGHTER)

BECK: We'll be back in just a second.

(LAUGHTER)

BECK: Hang on. Hang on. We'll be back in just a second.

(APPLAUSE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(APPLAUSE)

BECK: I want you to know, none of these people actually exist. That's what the media would have you believe, conservatives that are African-American. Some are — are there any Democrats here? Are there any?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

BECK: Maurice. Maurice.

SHERROD: Exactly.

BECK: And reverend, what is surname? What is your name?

BISHOP HARRY JACKSON, HOPE CHRISTIAN CHURCH: Harry Jackson.

BECK: Harry Jackson, how are you? And you're a Democrat.

JACKSON: Right. I'm a registered Democrat in a predominantly Democratic state. If you want a vote that counts, it's going to be in the primary. But I am a conservative based on my Christian faith.

BECK: OK.

JACKSON: And the social issues of our day, I believe they're most aligned with Christianity, the conservative approach to the world. And I like the idea that they are principles that you should guide yourself by and the value of the individual is, I believe, intrinsically a Christian value.

BECK: Yes. I would agree with you.

(APPLAUSE)

FRITSCH: (INAUDIBLE) a Republican being a conservative. The only way black people were able — ever able to triumph is because of Republican values which is directly linked to Christianity. Had we been liberals during the civil rights movement, nobody would have done anything.

BECK: Right.

(CROSSTALK)

FRITSCH: Oh, are you going to do something?

BECK: So, hang on. I want to — I want to play — I want to play some audio tape and then I just want to ask you guys, where — watch this — watch this and read this and listen carefully. This is from Detroit. Tell me where this comes from, because I don't even recognize this attitude.

Play this.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP, WJR RADIO DETROIT)

HOST: Why are you here?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To get some money.

HOST: What kind of money?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Obama money.

HOST: Where is it coming from?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Obama.

HOST: Where did Obama get it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know, his stash. I don't know. I don't know where he got it from, but he's giving it to us to help us. We love him! That's why we voted for him! Obama! Obama!

(END AUDIO CLIP)

BECK: I mean, free — free money. Where does that — where does that attitude — how do you get there?

KEVIN JACKSON, "THE BIG BLACK LIE" AUTHOR: Well, it has been baked into us over the years. I think education is probably the biggest piece that plays in it. You're — we're trapped in our schools, trapped in these bad neighborhoods, kids walking through metal detectors, learning about gun battles and gang-banging and, you know, sex and dancing, and things like that and not putting the real focus on education.

If they ever go back and start looking where — what our core is, what
— I mean, when I grew up, my folks stressed education. They stressed learning about why we were giving our votes to the Democrats and so on and so forth, and I think that education is the word.

DENEEN BORELLI, PROJECT 21 FELLOW: And here's the other thing about that.

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: Hang on. Hang on. Hang on.

BORELLI: Here is the other thing about that, because when I saw that a few weeks ago, my, you know, as you said, my head will explode. But this is what's going on in a lot of urban communities, which is very unfortunate. And we have a president in the White House who is pushing plantation politics. That's what I call it.

You are going to have more of this with people standing around waiting to be helped. These people are waiting for money to pay their utility bills.

BECK: Yes. I think this is — don't get me wrong.

BORELLI: Right.

BECK: I don't think — I think this is a — this is in the inner cities. Hang on just a second. I think this is in the inner cities but I don't think this is a black problem. This is a black/white problem. This is going to happen all across the country.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's an American people.

BORELLI: These policies that Obama is pushing, I call them plantation politics. He's pushing for cap-and-trade for example, which is a tax on energy. These people were standing in line to get money to pay their utility bills. He said that "energy prices will skyrocket through my cap-and-trade plan."

Now, how is that helping anyone? How is that helping the economy?

BRANDON BRICE, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: First of all, my name is Brandon Brice and I'll tell you how it's happening. I'm a community organizer in Harlem and I'm actually Motown, Detroit.

The problem is that, we have got to get in the communities. This is a grassroots issue. We've got to — we've got to talk about this issue with the average everyday American in these low-income communities, and moving forward, we have to break down what cap-and-trade means. Most Americans don't understand what cap-and-trade means. They understand that their energy bill or their heating bill is going to rise, and that is a direct issue...

BECK: But, wait a minute.

BRICE: ...with the African-American community.

BECK: Wait a minute. But in the lower-income communities, there is a whole program within the cap-and-trade bill where you're going to get a subsidy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

BECK: So, it doesn't matter. You're going to get it for free.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The average persons don't understand that.

ALEXANDER DAN'LYAN, FINANCIAL SERVICES COMPANY OWNER: I think, for me, the reason I opposed Barack Obama from the beginning, and the reason I still oppose him is because of this: My mother is from the Soviet Union and I was actually born in the USSR. My grandfather was a lifelong member of the Communist Party of the USSR. My grandfather's policies — God bless his soul — are the exact same policies as those of Barack Obama.

And there is no way I will come to America where I can be anything I want to be and all I have to do is try, and have a guy running for the White House and who he is now — who is now in the White House, who says, "Listen, all you have to do is sit back, relax and we're going to redistribute your wealth." That is nonsense! I mean, people who want that need to move to France, to Cuba, to wherever — not here!

BECK: Right. Right here, ma'am. You — I'm sorry, I can't see your name from here.

SHAKERA JONES, NYU SCHOOL OF LAW ADMISSIONS OFFICE: Shakera.

BECK: Shakera. How are you?

JONES: I'm well. Thank you. My name is Shakera. I grew up in the Bronx.

So, I'm going to talk about one where that type of mentality is coming from and then how it ties into socialism. That mentality comes from: everybody gets help. The banks don't have any money. Obama goes into his stash and they have money now.

So, it's very easy for someone to see — well, see, when the banks were broke, he helped them. I'm broke, he'll help me.

That's where that type of thought is coming from. So, that's an embarrassment to really think that.

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: So, how do you break that cycle?

(CROSSTALK)

JONES: That that comes from — that's how that social — that the idea .

JACKSON: These policies are racist.

JONES: ...that government somehow makes things happen. That they make money come out of nowhere.

(CROSSTALK)

JONES: When people need it, it is here.

BECK: Hold on just a second. What did you just — what did you just say?

JACKSON: I said these policies are racist.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you. Thank you.

BECK: Wait, wait. Wait, wait, slow down. Slow down. Go ahead.

FRITSCH: We have to expose the diabolical agenda of liberalism. It is corrupting the black community. I used to also think it was just well- intentioned but misguided. When you read a statistic that shows you that 90 percent of black children are going to, some point in their life, receive food stamps and the liberal platform supports this, but rejects and opposes the idea of giving black kid vouchers to go to a better school.

BECK: Yes.

FRITSCH: ...and lift themselves out of that cycle, how can you...

(APPLAUSE)

BECK: OK, hang on. Hang on. Hang on.

FRITSCH: How can you not be a conservative? And when the closer — the more we expose the evil and cruelty that liberalism is, and then people will start to wake up.

BECK: OK.

FRITSCH: This woman is a slave.

BECK: Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. We'll be — we'll be back in just a second.

(APPLAUSE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECK: I am — you know, people make fun of me that I say I'm concerned about my country and I'm concerned about the direction we're headed in. I've been concerned, you know, when George Bush was in office.

We're spending out of control and we're teaching people that there's free stuff everywhere. The one thing that I don't see and I don't
— and it's because, I guess, the way I was raised. I don't understand.

My grandfather, I believe, had a second grade education. He was a machinist and he worked at Boeing. And he was the head guy for the - when they had a tough part to make, he couldn't read the plans. But they would explain it to him, say exactly, "Ed, this is the problem we're having. We have to have this made." And he was the guy who did it.

I was taught and I was raised you can do anything. You can make it. You can do anything, and I have. Now, I don't understand. It doesn't seem like we're teaching any more in any community, "You can do it." Gordon, do you agree or disagree?

MAYOR GORDON JENKINS (R), MONTICELLO, NEW YORK: Well, I agree with you. I'm elected mayor of Monticello, New York. And one thing that I dislike to hear that I am a black mayor, just like certain people are saying Barack is a black president.

I'd like to say that I am a qualified mayor, not a black mayor. I get it all the time where my village is. And to say the president is - that people vote for Barack because he's a black man.

I don't agree with that. I'm a Republican. I think he was the better candidate. I think he had better vision, and that's why I did go with Barack.

BECK: Hang on just a second. Hang on! Hang on! Hang on! I've got to chance — this really — if you are — hang on!

JENKINS: Glenn —

BECK: Hang on! If you guys are a bunch of conservatives, you are lying to me if you thought that John McCain was sweet Jesus man from heaven.

(CROSSTALK)

All right. Go ahead.

JENKINS: McCain, I thought, would be the same George Bush. I think that Barack had the better vision. And I mean, I just because — I just didn't want to —

BECK: Do you still agree with that?

JENKINS: I think, you know, as a mayor — I was elected two years ago, and I'm falling in the same position as Barack is. You know something? I have been in office, from day one being in office, and just like the president. You know, you know, he's only been there a year.

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: Don't give me that — don't give that this man hasn't — I will not hear that this man has not accomplished anything. He has accomplished plenty.

JENKINS: He has only been in there a year and look at what he is facing. The deficit and the budget —

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is out of control.

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BECK: OK. Hold on! Hold on! You're not going to need me any more, America. I'm just going to let them go, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECK: All right. When last we left our audience, we were having a conversation. And I'm sorry, who was the nut job that said that it was Bush that was spending. Oh, yes, Gordon. Come on, Gordon.

Here's the thing. This is why I disagree with John McCain. It is not Republicans or Democrats. They're both progressives.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are.

BECK: They're both spending us — both parties are spending us into oblivion. We're having Marxists and Marxist-light or progressive and progressive light.

LENNY MCALLISTER, AUTHOR, "DIARY OF MAD BLACK PYC": And that's what people miss about the tea party movement. They think that this started with Barack Obama. It did not. They saw this for the past 10 years.

And even if you go back within the African-American community sliding left, that's been going on for the last 40 or 50 years. So now, you're dealing with a generational occurrence, where people will now have to reeducate themselves as to what Americanism is truly all about.

BECK: How many people are reading now more than ever about the founding of our country and are really looking in and doing soul-searching on this is who we are? Go ahead.

JAMES DAVERMANN, FINANCIAL ANALYST: Mr. Beck, I just wanted to review Barack Obama's record for his initial year.

BECK: OK.

DAVERMANN: He ran as a pragmatic moderate. And I can understand his charisma. You know, the weariness of the Bush years sold people on him to a certain extent.

BECK: Yes.

DAVERMANN: And I think his race also did play to the fact that people wanted to see Martin Luther King's dream realized.

BECK: Yes.

DAVERMANN: In the past year, we had a stimulus bill passed. $800 billion passed, looting of the Treasury. We have — we're on track for $9 trillion in deficits for the next decade which completely obliterates anything George W. Bush ever dreamed of.

BECK: Yes. But it's not — but again, John McCain would have been for cap and trade. John McCain would have been universal health care, amnesty - it's the same stuff. So it's not —

DAVERMANN: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) at a much slower pace and he would have listened to the conservative grassroots in his party.

BECK: Yes, but this was my - hang on just a second. You just said he would have listened to the conservative grassroots. When? When has the Republican Party — you're a tea party member? How many people have gone to a tea party?

OK. All right. So, you know what? I have to tell you something. The tea party movement - you've got Republicans who are saying, "You know, you guys are out of control. You're going to destroy the party." Well, you know what? Maybe the parties — both, plural — need to be destroyed or at least reset.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Glenn, thank you for that.

MCALLISTER: You look at my city in Charlotte, North Carolina. You actually have tea partygoers and organizers that became at-large candidates and ran all the way through to the general election.

You're finding the tea party movement having more of an influence there. They are no longer able to discount that as much as they tried to in April or March. Remember, this was supposed to be an April phenomenon that has been going on. I'll be speaking on Saturday in Raleigh, North Carolina at yet another party. This is going to be something that goes on until there's change.

BECK: He has caught on to something. He's got to - Gordon, you are politician. He's got a red tie and blue pants. He's going to be a politician, isn't he?

ROBIN MARTIN, ACCOUNTANT: Yes. I wanted to speak to the mayor there of — I forgot —

JENKINS: Monticello.

MARTIN: You said you don't like being identified as a black mayor, and I can understand that. But to say that people did not - and that you have a problem with people referring to Barack Obama as the black president.

Well, that would be fine if, whenever any valid criticism of Barack Obama was leveled against him, people wouldn't automatically - instead of speaking about what is being said, they automatically go on the defensive at any reasonable criticism of Barack Obama is because he's black and it is racist in nature.

So to say that he is just the president and not just the black president - he is the black president who's being protected and defended to a fault by the black community. And we are not listening to (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

We were elected by all people — white, black — myself and Barack. We don't just represent the black people. We represent all people, and we should be respected as that.

MARTIN: Barack Obama wants to redistribute the wealth of this country. Barack Obama said that he wanted a single-payer health plan. He said that. He also - which is a universal healthcare plan.

But if you go to any Joe in my neighborhood — well, in my old neighborhood - you'll know that anybody in my old neighborhood would say that Barack Obama wants to take our personal freedoms or that the Congress is taking away our personal freedoms, our rights to our bodies, to make our own decisions with our own bodies with this plan, that's not true. You're just being brainwashed by Glenn Beck.

You know, and they're just fighting against Obama because he's black. They just don't want to see a black president succeed.

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LISA FRITSCH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: The thing that Glenn Beck said before is that people are not studying about who we are, how this country was founded. And the only way we're going to be able to stop this, in the black community as well, is until we know who we are, where we really came from, and that is the —

BECK: Lisa, hang on. I've got to take a break. But let me say this before we take a break. America, I think this is — I think this is where African-American conservatives have a leg up on just plain old conservatives.

If you're a conservative, you are accused of starving little children to death, making sure that nobody has education, you just hate everybody who's coming across the border illegally because they're different than you, et cetera, et cetera.

And so you, as a conservative — and I don't think liberals really understand this. As a conservative, we're human beings and so you say these things and we go home at night, and go, Gosh, is that what I mean, no.

And you have to do soul-searching. You're conservative so you want to starve children? You guys and conservatives, we have soul- searched. And the only way America is going to survive is if they ask themselves tough questions and you know who you are, and you know what you believe in.

But because we're in this political nightmare where nobody speaks the truth, we're not having honest arguments or conversations about things that are real.

MARTIN: There is a political correctness. In fact, this whole African-American business is politically correct. I don't believe, Mr. Beck —

BECK: You can call me Glenn.

MARTIN: OK, Glenn. I don't believe that when you're speaking on the phone with your familiars and you get into a conversation about race, you'll say — or when you're speaking to your wife, you go, "I'm talking about that black guy over there." You don't say, "I'm talking about that African-American guy."

BECK: No, no.

MARTIN: You don't, do you?

BECK: No.

MARTIN: It's the politically correct thing.

BECK: You refer to me — I mean, but you don't refer to me as a German-American.

MARTIN: That German-American — it is just so darn silly. It really is.

MCALLISTER: But Americans are supposed to be past that. We're supposed to be the melting pot. We're not intimidated to use not using an adjective just as an adjective and not as a slur or not as a delineation.

BECK: OK.

MCALLISTER: That's what we have to get to.

BECK: Back in a second.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECK: All right. I mean, we could do — will you guys come back again? Because this is — we could do, like, 400 shows here. Angel, I want to start with you.

ANGEL ROBINSON, CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY: OK. I think as conservatives and libertarians, anarchists — anyone who believes in freedom, one of the things that —

BECK: Anarchy — I think it's a bit much.

ROBINSON: Well, no. It depends. What we believe in is that - or what we all believe is that you have a right to your property - property and your body, and that no one else has a right to tell you how to use that property and your labor and the way (UNINTELLIGIBLE) as well.

BECK: Sure.

ROBINSON: And so one of the things we need to focus on is premising all our arguments on that, not that we don't care about poor people, because we do. We recognize that giving people the right to their property is the way for them to move forward.

And this whole - and what we have right now is sort of a continuation of the premise of slavery, and that is a premise of slavery. Everybody talks about the violence, and that's the thing that people get upset about. That's sort of the ugly flower that comes out of the seed. The seed is planted and that's that you don't own your own self.

BECK: David?

DAVID WEBB, CO-FOUNDER, TEA PARTY 365: I like to keep it to some simple basic truths. Let's start with what everybody has been talking about. There is only one race — human. After that, you're hyphenating everything.

I co-founded the black Republican forum, the New York Tea Party Organization. I have been called a red neck racist, a tea-bagger. I was attacked by Garofalo a few weeks ago.

And you know what I say to all of them? When you bring me something that actually means something, I will respond to it. Nobody defines me but me. And back to your point of freedom, if nobody can define me but me, you can never take it away.

Glenn, you said it. There is more of us than they are. We surround them, and the fact is we have to act on it. But we have to do it honestly because what I also hear in this audience are a lot of platitudes of left versus right argument, and not a talk about the real truth underneath that argument.

BECK: Barbara?

BARBARA SUMMERS, FORMER REAL ESTATE AGENT: OK. Well, I want to touch on what the reverend was talking about, about our children. Our children are going astray. You know, the children are raising the parents instead of vice versa.

And also, you know, they are going away from the Bible. I raised my kids the Biblical way. You know, children should be seen, not heard. Spare the rod, spoil a child. Respect your elders. You know, honor thy mother and thy father and your days will be long.

That's not what's going on now. All the kids had to do was drop it like it's hot. Top that thing — all this other stuff. They need to be taught the Constitution. They need to be taught about the Bill of Rights. They know every song, every Xbox take this out.

They know nothing about our history, where we're coming from, where we're going to. Because it is always saying we wanted to be raised away from being in slavery.

BECK: Back in a second.

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BECK: We could have done like four shows and I'd like to have you, guys, back. Because I mean, we really could spend hours here. Robert, final thoughts from you guys.

ROBERT BROADUS, COMPUTER PROGRAMMER: Yes, Glenn. You talked before about Obama money. The problem is, at the heart of the issue is the income tax. The income tax is what allows the government to practice nepotism and cronyism and spread the wealth around. That is the source of communism. It goes back to the progressive movement that you've been talking about on your show. We have to give a bit of that and repeal the income tax.

BECK: Jibreel.

JIBREEL RILEY, STUDENT: Liberals out there, plain, straight and clear, there is no utopia. But there is American socialism. You wake up every day and we thank God as we wake up in America, that you are an American, because you go to places like Detroit, Michigan or Gary, Indiana or even cross over to New Jersey and you see what liberalism has done.

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: I just want you to know, New Jersey and Detroit and all those — they're in America. Rafiq, go ahead.

RAFIQ JENNINGS, DATA SPECIALIST: I wouldn't be the man that I am if it wasn't for conservatism. I've come a long way. I have been Democratic, Republican and conservative. And being conservative is about liberty and liberty my soul breathes.

BECK: God bless — OK. Guys, God bless you. Thank you for being here. From New York, good night, America.

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