Ann Coulter on 'Glenn Beck': Will Health Care Reform Pass the Senate?

This is a rush transcript from "Glenn Beck," November 9, 2009. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, GUEST HOST: Big news today, America. We sent to sleep Saturday night and woke up Sunday morning $1.2 trillion further in debt. That's if the Congressional Budget Office is right and the government program actually costs what they tell you it will cost.

The giant health care bill — here it is — passed the House over the weekend. Something Senator Orrin Hatch says will never make it through the Senate. The House bill's language is different from the Senate in several key ways, including an income tax on high earners to finance the bill. The House's version of the bill also includes a public option while Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is still waiting to hear back from the CBO before he decides how to craft his version of government-run health care insurance.

Ann Coulter, syndicated columnist and author of The New York Times best seller, "Guilty." The paperback edition comes on sale, goes on sale next Tuesday, November 17th.

Ann, you heard it there. You heard it in the setup. Boy, I went to sleep Saturday night, and Sunday morning, $1.2 trillion. What gives? How did they — how did they pass a bill overnight? I thought we're going to get five days to read these things? At least the senators, I'm sorry, at least the representatives were going to get a few days to read it before they voted on something like that.

ANN COULTER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: No, it looks like what they did is counted up exactly how many Democrats are going to be allowed to be re-
elected, at least the Blue Dog Democrats. They, you know, said, "OK, we got 39 of you. You are allowed to vote against it and be reelected."
So, it's obviously not a resounding vote. They know it's not popular with Americans, with lots of voters and lots of voters in Blue Dog districts, and I think, you know, Americans are wondering, "What is with these people? We don't want this." As polls indicate, and certainly as that vote indicates.

BOLLING: Well, Ann, there are a lot of differences between the House bill, the 1,990-page House bill and whatever form of Senate bill we end up getting, I think one of them is 1,500 pages and another is 1,000 pages. We have them all stacked up. A lot of differences, but the most glaring difference right now is that government-run option. The Democrats will tell you we can afford it, it's going to be deficit neutral, not going to cost a dime. Republicans are saying we can't afford it.

Which one is it? I'm confused.

COULTER: Well, we can't afford either of them. At the moment — this particular moment in time, the Senate is a little saner than the House. The Senate would never accept the House bill for, among other reasons, the public option.

Also, the House plans to pay for the entire gigantic bill by raising taxes on the rich. That has more of an effect on senators. I mean, there can be congressional districts where absolutely no rich people live.

That is not true of senators. A lot of their donors are going to be the rich, and the rich are now defined as anyone who makes about $200,000 a year, massive taxes on those people. So, instead, what the Senate bill taxes are the Cadillac health care bills. Well, that's no good for the House, because it's the labor unions who don't like the taxes on the nice, on the expensive health care plans, because that's what the unions win for their members.

So, it's hard to see how this is going to mesh together, but they'll just keep seeing — singing sob stories about the rare uninsured. I don't know why we can't just take care of those people, and often with these crazy false statistics.

BOLLING: Ann, the House bill passed with two additional votes. They need 218, they got it 20. One of them was a Republican from Louisiana, who, apparently, was making deals behind the scenes, that's what we read in The Wall Street Journal today.

Here's the question. When it goes over to the Senate, do they have the 60 votes? I mean, Joe Lieberman, over the weekend, said, "With the government-run option, I'm not voting for that." Where are they?

COULTER: Well, they won't vote on the House bill. They'll vote on their own bill, that's the Baucus bill, and I think they are different enough that it's going to be very hard to work out in conference. And the House passes its bill; the Senate passes its bill. And then everybody who doesn't like it is told, "Oh, don't worry, we'll put that back in in conference."

As, for example, the restriction on abortion, I promise you, the feminists were told, "Don't worry, that will come — we'll put it back in in conference. And then both houses have to vote again on what the final bill that is nailed out in the conference is. It seems to me it's going to be hard for them to do that.

To get back to that one Republican who voted for the health care bill.


COULTER: Not that I want to defend him, but he did say he waited to see that the bill had enough votes to pass before voting in favor of it. This was the guy who took William Jefferson's seat. He was the congressman who was found with $90,000 in his freezer. And as a consequence, there was a special election in that district.
But it is totally an Obama district. It's just a freak accident that this Republican was elected and I think he's fantasizing that this will give him a chance to be re-elected. I think that probably is a fantasy, but anyway, that explains the one Republican vote in the Obama district.

BOLLING: Well, you know what's even more infuriating, Ann. If you read this article in The Wall Street Journal, it talks about Mr. Cao from Louisiana, the Republican who voted for the House bill, and he says, you know, there is information, there is indication that he was looking for a $1.2 billion loan to be excused, for Hurricane Katrina, loans directed towards Hurricane Katrina, yet he says he would — he would vote for the bill if that was excused.

You know, this wheeling and dealing, $1.2 billion to buy one vote. This scares me. I don't want my taxpayer to go there — payer money to go there.

COULTER: Right. Well, it's a fair point. I think a lot of these congressmen are enslaving their importance by claiming to have won all these deals. I think the overarching point — I mean, I agree with your cynicism, if it were true, I think the truth of the matter is these congressmen know Americans don't want national health care. They don't want their taxes to go up. They don't want their premiums to go up on the basis of these vague stories of people who are somehow suffering with a lack of health insurance.

And so, I think you're going to see a lot of congressmen claiming, "Oh, well, I got this special deal for my district," hoping that the voters won't punish them for voting for this bill that voters don't want. I don't think that's going to work. I mean, you have a bill that is being premised on all of these sad stories as they always are, as described in my book "Guilty: Liberal Victims and Their Assault on America," they're always putting forward these fake victims to do something terrible and create real victims. And that is exactly what this bill does.

I mean, all of these stories going back to Al Gore and right through Obama, about someone who was denied health insurance because, oh, the gallbladder, he had gallbladder stones or gallstones or something, and then, Al Gore was claiming that, what was it, his mother — his mother-in-law had to use her dog's arthritis medicine. And then, you know, with the slightest investigation, they turn out to be fake stories.

I mean, in any event, the solution wouldn't be to create a massive national health care scheme where everyone knows, suburban voters seem to have indicated this in last Tuesday's election, that their taxes are going to go up.

BOLLING: Ann, I want to get to one point real quick before we run out of time with you. One of the big things I have been hearing now is, you know, why would AARP, the association of retired people, American Association of Retired People, why would they be in favor of the health care bill? What is in it for them? I'm wracking my brain.

What about this theory? What about the Medicare Advantage is being subsidized to such an extent that it's cheaper to buy Medicare Advantage than it is to use the AARP gap insurance, difference between what Medicare pays and what their out of cost expenses would be — and that removal of that subsidy of Medicare Advantage would drive people directly to AARP insurance?

COULTER: Yes, that's good theory. I like it. But I tend to think the simpler explanation is John O'Sullivan's, that any organization that is not explicitly a conservative organization will be taken over by left wing loons eventually, from, you know, Carnegie Foundation, Ford Foundation, the Catholic Church for a while, unless — I mean, it could be, you know, the choral singers of east St. Louis.

Any organization that is not an expressly right-wing organization will be taken over by left wing loons and that has certainly been true of AARP going back years and years. I mean, I remember at least as far back as the Clinton era, remember Art Linkletter was promoting the alternative to AARP. And I think there are several alternatives to AARP. But it's just, it's another national organization for women, you know, ACLU, et cetera, et cetera.

BOLLING: Ann, I want your comment real quick. And Senator Judd Gregg today on FOX Business today spoke on where he sees this, whether or not we're going to get a bill. Please listen to this.


SEN. JUDD GREGG, R-N.H.: He wants it and he's got super majorities in the House and the Senate, and in the end, you got to presume that when you have super majorities, you get what you want.


BOLLING: All right. So, what about it? Is this all just a — are we all just playing here and he's going to get his bill at the end of the day?

COULTER: Well, I'm not sure. I guess it depends on how many Americans pick up the phone and call their congressman and start working for — in favor of the candidates who didn't vote for this bill. I mean, this — Americans don't want this bill, though it's absolutely true that when you have, you know, a Democrat in the White House, the Democrats running the House, Democrats running the Senate, the odds — the odds are it will go through, but maybe not.

I mean, we saw with the last president, a president who supported amnesty for illegals, both presidential candidates supported amnesty for illegals, but the American people didn't want it, and they stopped it. And so, I think there's still — there's still a shot at stopping it despite the Democratic majority.

BOLLING: All right. Ann Coulter, author of "Guilty," always a great time. Thank you, Ann.

COULTER: Thank you.

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