George Allen Spills Dirt on Rival Time Kaine

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," July 29, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: And we get right to our "Top Story" tonight. And the veep stakes is heating up. The big rumor today centered around Virginia governor, Tim Kaine, as a possible running mate for Barack Obama.

Now cameras caught up with him in Washington, and he tried to play it very, very cool.


TIM KAINE (D), VIRGINIA GOVERNOR: I'm not going to make any declaration other than I don't talk to folks about what I talk to the campaign about. I've been one of the co-chairs of the campaign since February of 2007, but my conversations with the campaign stay with the campaign.

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I haven't sought it, I'm not running for it, I'm not asking for it. I've never asked anything of the campaign. I didn't endorse him to get anything. I endorsed him to help him. And again, the area where I can — I think I can be most helpful is in Virginia.


HANNITY: And meanwhile, on the Republican side, all the talk centers on a three-man race battle between former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty, and former Pennsylvania governor and secretary of Homeland Security, Tom Ridge.

Joining us tonight former Virginia senator George Allen and California attorney general, one-time presidential candidate, Jerry Brown.

JERRY BROWN, CA. ATTORNEY GENERAL: Guys, good to see you.

GEORGE ALLEN (R), FMR. VIRGINIA SENATOR: Good to be with you all.

And same to you.

HANNITY: Would Tim Kaine be a good choice? You know Virginia as well as anybody, George Allen?

ALLEN: Well, I know Tim, and I like him personally. I disagree with a lot of his policies. I think his compatibility with Senator Obama is they both advocate tax increases, but ultimately, Sean, in Virginia it's going to be Obama versus McCain, and on issues that matter — Virginia's a strong military state, we have a lot of bases, a lot of families.

They know John McCain would be best as commander in chief, and Senator Obama canceling that visit with injured troops in Germany because it wouldn't be a photo-op, apparently, won't sit well, and the big issue — and you talk about this, Sean — is energy.


ALLEN: It's a national security issue, it is a competitiveness issue, and it's a standard of living issue.

John McCain is for clean coal technology. We mine coal in Virginia. He's for advanced nuclear, and we have nuclear. And he also for — get — allowing Virginia and other states to get out from under the federal moratorium.

HANNITY: All right, so.

ALLEN: . and Virginia, for years, has been trying to get out from under it, and so he wants more American energy independence from American resources, and Barack Obama is against coal.

He wants to tax it, he's.

HANNITY: I'm going to give you the filibuster hat.


HANNITY: I agree with everything you said. Very quickly before we get to Jerry Brown, are you saying that all this talk that the Democrats can turn Virginia blue, not going to happen?

ALLEN: Well, we're going to work as hard as we can in Virginia. Barack Obama has opened 20 offices in Virginia. We take nothing for granted, and.


ALLEN: . it will be a competitive state.


ALLEN: . but ultimately, I think, people who work for a living and pay taxes and care about their families will find John McCain to be the leader we need in these times who has the judgment and experience.


ALLEN: . and leadership qualities we need as a president.

HANNITY: All right, listen, Attorney General — Jerry, good to see you. Welcome back to the program. Thanks for being here.

Tim Kaine.

BROWN: I think — yes, go ahead.

HANNITY: Tim Kaine is a good choice?

BROWN: Look, I'd want to know, there's really two issues. The character, the intelligence, how a person will connect with the voters, and I've been in Virginia, and from what I can just see from afar, he looks very good.

But secondly, can he deliver Virginia? Or is there another candidate for vice president that would be able to bring a state like Lyndon Johnson brought Texas to John Kennedy. That's crucial. You only get two taxes.

HANNITY: Well, answer your own question. Is that.

BROWN: I don't know. You know what, I think that's hard to tell. The vice — the presidential candidates have a lot of their best people, and I wouldn't prematurely close this. I'd look around. You may want something that is unexpected. You may want to put a woman on the ticket.

So I'm not prepared to say the governor of Virginia is the one. He looks good, but this thing is going to come down — we don't know quite how the issues will unfold, so you want a vice president who's not going to screw up and make a mistake. That's number one.

And number two, that will grow on people over time through the heat of the campaign, and, thirdly, as an extra bonus, if they could deliver a crucial state that would otherwise go to the other side. Those are the criteria that I would look for were I — making this choice.

SUSAN ESTRICH, GUEST CO-HOST: Jerry, drilling. I heard George Allen mention it. We were on the show last night with Governor Crist. They're all over this issue. You and I are Californians. I think you probably like offshore drilling about as much as I do.

How does Obama play this issue, and does it help McCain?

BROWN: Well, you know, if people can make the notion — they can make the idea plausible that if you just start drilling that that will bring down gas prices, that can be an important political message.

But the point is that some of the same people calling for drilling have been fighting for fuel efficiency for cars, and that's been a major cause of our oil imports. There are all sorts of ways of cutting oil dependency that are cheaper, that are quicker, that have been opposed by the same people who are now saying OK, let's go for the coast.

And I think we ought to look at any possibility to get our oil dependency down, but I think it's very hypocritical when people are trying to create the myth that the gas prices can be affected in the next five or six years just by oil drilling. And it's got to be left up to the states in any event.

ESTRICH: George, I saw a McCain ad just today making exactly the point Jerry was talking about, you know, oh, my gosh, I'm paying $5 a gallon, that's out in California. And it's always Senator Obama's fault because he's against drilling.

I mean does that fly in Virginia?

ALLEN: Well, I think people recognize that we need a long-term strategic plan, and the policies in our country for the last 10 years have only gotten us more dependent on foreign sources of oil.

We need a lot of different approaches. The best alternative for ground transportation will be these hybrid or electric vehicles, but we're going to need more base load power which means clean coal technology, which in coal is 50 percent of our electricity generation, 20 percent is nuclear, 20 percent is natural gas, and the last 10 percent is hydro and solar, and wind.

So the reality is there's a greater demand coming forward for electricity, and we're going to need more nuclear and clean coal power plants for it.

The French are an example on the issue of nuclear, and, gosh, and South Africa and China are synthesizing coal into ground transportation fuel.

ESTRICH: I've got to cut you off.

ALLEN: These are the sort of things we need.

ESTRICH: I've got to cut you off. Thank you both.

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