Bill Moyers' PBS War Documentary

This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," April 26, 2007, that has been edited for clarity.

BILL O’REILLY, HOST: Now for the top story tonight, reaction to all this. Joining us now from Washington, Fox News analyst Jane Hall. And from Dallas, Bernie Goldberg, author of the brand new book, "Crazies to the Left of Me, Wimps to the Right." Already a "New York Times" bestseller. That must be driving them crazy, Bernie.

Today we're doing crazies to this the left of me. You know Bill Moyers. You worked with him over at CBS. What's your take on all this?

BERNIE GOLDBERG, FOX NEWS ANALYST: Yeah I do know him. I have worked with him and I think he is a very serious man in a business that sometimes isn't as serious as it should be. Anna Nicole Smith for instance. So I mean that as a compliment when I say he is serious.

But Bill Moyers is not simply a journalist. As you pointed out, as everybody knows, he is also a liberal activist. But even more important than that, Bill, he approaches stories with a zeal that you usually see in religious true believers. And he comes from a fundamentalist Christian background so maybe that's not surprising.

Everything to Bill Moyers can be broken down into good or evil. And even when he does good stuff, and of course to some extent the press was compliant in this mess of a war that we're in.

But even when he does good stuff, I'm always wondering, what did he leave out? What didn't he put in? And I just saw a few seconds ago what he left out. And then you wonder was it intentional?

O'REILLY: It had to be.

GOLDBERG: Was it accidental? Did he do it because — did he do it because of his left wing politics.

O'REILLY: Now, Bernie, look, how many pieces have you edited in your career, Bernie? A million.

GOLDBERG: About a million.

O'REILLY: I've edited about 500,000. We know, Bernie and O'Reilly, that you can take a strand here and a strand there and make anybody look like anything.

GOLDBERG: Absolutely.

O'REILLY: Now, Jane, I presented evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that Bill Moyers is not honest. He's on PBS. He's well esteemed in this country. Award after award after award. What is your reaction?

JANE HALL, AMERICAN UNIVERSITY: First of all, Bill, you know, I think you could say he should have said where you said I don't want to demonize anybody. But then you proceeded to demonize people. This technique is used by a lot of people on this network and a lot of other places. I think the documentary was excellent. I've reported and written about this. I've interviewed the reporters from Knight-Ridder newspapers who were among the few people who got this right, which is one of the things he says.

He goes after the "New York Times." The "New York Times" didn't even review this.

O'REILLY: Jane, all right, look, so you're telling me as a professor.

HALL: It is a solid piece of journalism.

O'REILLY: Jane, you're telling me as a professor of journalism.

HALL: Let me finish.

O'REILLY: No. I'm not going to let you finish. Are you telling me as professor of journalism that the cut Moyers put on national television of my remarks was fair? Are you telling me that?

HALL: Let me just say.

O'REILLY: Are you telling me that Jane? Yes or no?

HALL: Can I answer the question?

O'REILLY: Because you can bloviate all night and it does us no good. Yes or no, Jane?

HALL: I would have put more of the quote in there. But you are not a huge piece of this. This is more about the print press.

O'REILLY: It doesn't matter what I am. I don't have access to what else he did, as Bernie pointed out.

HALL: Wait. The reporting that I've done, that I know about, that I've independently reported.

O'REILLY: You are justifying the unjustifiable again.

HALL: I don't agree with you about that. He is right about...

O'REILLY: You don't agree before your own eyes, before your own eyes you see how dishonest that cut was and you don't agree. Come on.

HALL: How many times has Fox News taken half of...

O'REILLY: You don't justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. That's not what you do.

HALL: I think you are taking one small thing which obviously affects you. That's different...

O'REILLY: Small to you madam because you weren't made to be a war monger dishonest guy. I was. So it's small to you but isn't small to me.

HALL: I didn't say — I said I wouldn't have made that cut.

O'REILLY: I disagree with you. I have never disagreed with you more than tonight.

HALL: Well OK. You can disagree with me.

O'REILLY: This is a shameful analysis.

HALL: No, I disagree with you.

O'REILLY: Bernie, when you go into the editing room, you've got to explain for folks that aren't in the editing room, you've got lots of choices, you've got lots of cuts you can take. You've got lots of places you can go. And Moyers is the guy calling the shots here. So intentionally he wanted me to look a certain way. Correct?

GOLDBERG: Yes, that is correct. I want to say this. It was a 90 minute documentary. And I thought much of it was good. But the first 10 words in the documentary, and everything flows from that. The first 10 words were, "Four years ago the Bush administration took leave of reality."

And I'm saying, check please. I mean, right off the bat he's telling us that this isn't so much going to be a balanced investigation of the press's role in the war in Iraq so much as an indictment. Now I think part of it is absolutely valid. There should be an indictment. The press did a bad job in many ways. But when you went to the editing room, as you asked me, you can pick and choose and he apparently did at least as it pertains to you.

O'REILLY: Right. And I don't have access to the others that he did. I can't get that. But we did that here. And it should be noted that we told Moyers that we would do an interview with him if he did it here so we could record it. Because we didn't trust him in the editing room. And he makes me a prophet again.

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