'Broken Promises'

This is a partial transcript of "The Big Story With John Gibson," March 21, 2006, that has been edited for clarity.


RON SILVER, ACTOR (VOICE-OVER), "BROKEN PROMISES": Symbolize the member nations working toward noble and vital goals. That was the hope. A lot has changed since then.


JOHN GIBSON, HOST: Didn't work out so good. A new documentary explores what has happened over the years inside the United Nations and whether it is time for serious reform. I think the answer is obvious.

Actor Ron Silver is the narrator of the film. And David Bossie is the executive producer. They both join us now to talk about it.

So, Ron, the litany of stuff about the U.N. is almost endless. Where do you begin talking about its problems?

SILVER: Well, in the movie we start in 1945 showing what they intended to do with the organization they intended to have, which made sense. But post-1945, institutions are anachronistic now because the organization was set up to deal with something that is nonexistent now.

We have different problems, different shared vulnerabilities and sovereignty. The respect for sovereignty as defined then has become a structural flaw because right now there's a responsibility to protect populations within a country. There are infectious diseases that cross borders. So, a lot of the problems we face today — terrorism, proliferation — were really not intended then. And there was a certain lack of foresight. And we also had a security counsel with Joseph Stalin sitting across from us. So, there were a lot of problems right from the beginning.

GIBSON: Right from the get-go.

David Bossie, I know that you have been a political activist here at home for a long time. Why did you decide you had to go international with this U.N. project?

DAVID BOSSIE, PRODUCER: Well, I think Ron agreed that the United Nations needed reform. It needs reform now. It's not living up to its obligations around the world whether it's in Sudan or in China or in Iraq for that matter. And today, and Ron just makes a great point, the Security Council which created the U.N., in essence, the founders of the U.N. created it, really if you look at what's going on in Iran today, two members of the Security Council are part of the problem, if you will, from gaining any ground in Iran.

So we have problems all over the world. And that's why we decided to make this film.

GIBSON: Ron, a lot of people think we should maybe just start over? Just kick them out of this country and let them go somewhere else?

SILVER: No, no, we can't do that. We need an effective United Nations, but it has to reform itself. It's almost a page one rewrite. They need another San Francisco rebirthing moment.

And the problem we have is that what needs to be done in the world cannot be done without us, but we can't do it alone.

GIBSON: The United States?

SILVER: That's right. But we can't do it alone. So we do need some sort of organization. It can be regional. It could be a competitive organization, which is not a bad idea. Because competition usually makes different groups more effective.

GIBSON: So the U.N., the membership feels that if it is cooperating with the United States, it's selling out?

SILVER: Yeah. Now I understand that because of this pervasive anti- Americanism. But that's because we're the only guy in town. Nothing can get done, really without our imprimatur. But the moral imprimatur always seems to rely with the U.N., that seems to be the mantra. What's really important to take away from this is that effective reform of that nation is a nonpartisan issue, Democrats, Republicans, conservatives, liberals, liberals in particular, it's their ideals that are being betrayed on a daily, if not an hourly, basis if you look at the preamble and their charter.

GIBSON: David Bossie, isn't John Bolton supposed to be doing this very job?

BOSSIE: He is trying. And I think just in the last week, he was one of the few votes against the new human rights document that they passed up at the U.N. And I think that he and his reforms are being stymied at every turn at the United Nations. The leadership of the U.N., which seized power and money through U.S. taxpayer dollars, fights him tooth and nail every day, every step of the way.

GIBSON: Ron, before the U.N. can be reformed, doesn't the very corrupt members of the U.N. who are the problem have to agree to reform?

SILVER: Well, that's part of it. You're asking people to lose their perks, etc. What needs to be done is to get away from this moral equivalency. They feel if they criticize one member they have to criticize the other member equally as well.

Palau should not have the same vote as the Russian Federation or the United States. They really need to rework the whole deal.

GIBSON: All right. The new documentary about the United Nations, the narrator of the film is actor Ron Silver, who is here with me. David Bossie is the executive producer. Good luck with you guys. The movie is "Broken Promises." Thanks very much.

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