Look Who's Talking

This is a partial transcript of "The Big Story With John Gibson," March 1, 2006, that has been edited for clarity.

JOHN GIBSON, HOST: He has changed his story several times. Now the Dutch teenager at the center of the Natalee Holloway investigation is "On the Record" with our Greta Van Susteren. Here's a clip of Greta's exclusive interview with Joran van der Sloot talking about the night in May when Natalee disappeared in Aruba.


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, FORMER SUSPECT IN HOLLOWAY CASE: She was just saying, you know, stay here with me. Just stay here with me the whole night. Tomorrow I have to go back anyway and, you know, that's what we were talking about.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX ANCHOR: And what did you say? I mean, how does the conversation go back and forth between the two of you on this?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, and so she was asking me to stay and I told her I really had to go. So, you know, for me to bring her back to her hotel. And then I said, at the end I said, OK, well I'm going to call Deepak to come pick me up. And, yes, so I walked right there. There's the fishermen's huts. There's a little — because there's a lot of wind there on the beach, so I walk right next to that and that's where I called him from. And I had asked him to come pick me up. Then it was his brother that came to pick me up, but I asked him to come pick me up.


GIBSON: For more on Joran's latest story, Jane Skinner joins us now.

JANE SKINNER, FOX CORRESPONDENT: Well, John, outside of the obvious question everyone wants answered — where is Natalee? — there's another: Why is Joran van der Sloot doing a TV interview? He's not even living in Aruba anymore. He's away at college. So why not fly under the radar and just let the story die down. Criminal profiler Pat Brown is with us.

Pat, from your perspective, what would be a motivation to do an interview?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, I think Joran thinks he can convince us that he's innocent. I think that's the whole thing. I think he's doing damage control. Everybody's been saying all these terrible things about him, that he's a liar, that he's blaming the victim, that he doesn't care about Natalee and that surely has come across. So he's coming out now and he's trying to prove the opposite. The problem is he's bringing his character and personality with him and he's doing the same of what he did before, so he's doing worse to himself than if he just shut up and stayed home.

SKINNER: Pat, what about the possibility, though, that he is innocent and he wants people to know that?

BROWN: Well, one could think that would be a possibility, but I'm looking at character and I'm looking at what he says. What kind of innocent, decent person lies continuously? What kind of innocent, decent person keeps saying that the victim, it's all her fault? What kind of innocent person blames other people, like those innocent security guards that were put in jail and doesn't seem to feel sorry about it at all? What kind of innocent, decent man does that?

I think he said a true statement in one of his many interviews. He said, a real man wouldn't have done what I did and I think that's really the truth. They wouldn't have, Joran, and a real man would also say what he did and you're not about to do it at any point in time.

SKINNER: And we should point out, he's still a young man. And Greta said, as she was getting set up for her interview, his parents arrived and tried to talk him out of it. They met privately. They brought along a former teacher of his.

And from Greta's perspective, she said he won out in the end because she said Joran was very determined to do this interview. And when they went into the interview room, he said he didn't want his parents with him inside that room but he did want a former teacher with him inside. What does that behavior tell you, if anything?

BROWN: I think he really thinks a lot of himself. I think he thinks he can control the game. I think he's really enjoying the attention, much as he says he's not.

One of the other interviews he had done, he stepped in front of the camera and said, "I'm not going to talk to you," and then he talked for the next 30 minutes.

So he really loves this attention and he thinks he's smart enough that he can keep saying the right things to keep himself from getting in trouble, but I think he's going to find the opposite is happening to him.

SKINNER: You know, you had mentioned that he changed his story a lot. He lied to police. He is coming forward now and saying, you know what, I did. I lied. I made a mistake. I shouldn't have done that. I should have told them exactly what happened in the beginning.

From your expertise and from what you do for a profession, can you watch his behavior in an interview in this type of setting and tell us he's lying to us this time?

BROWN: I certainly see a lot of things that indicate to me he's lying. Whenever he talks about not doing anything wrong with women, he all of a sudden grins and giggles. His face gets splotchy when there was talk about date rape drugs. He was very uncomfortable with that.

The simple fact that he changes his lies over and over and over again and he says things like, you don't know the whole truth yet. Well, how can we not, Joran, if you've already told us the truth.

Or he'll say, it's none of your business what happened that night and then he'll say, but nothing happened that night. Things just don't match at all. And if you're telling the truth, even at a certain point in time when you've decided you're finally going to tell the truth, then there's only one story. But Joran can't seem to figure out which one it is.

SKINNER: Pat Brown, thanks very much.

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