This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 15, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.
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SEN. DICK DURBIN (D), ILLINOIS: Let me read to you what one FBI (search) agent saw, and I quote from his report.
"On a couple of occasions I entered interview rooms to find the detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor with no chair, food or water. Most times they urinated or defecated on themselves and had been left there for 18 to 24 hours or more."
If I read this to you and didn't tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime, Pol Pot (search) or others that had no concern for human beings.
Sadly, that's not the case. This was the action of Americans in treatment of their own prisoners.
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HANNITY: Senator Durbin is refusing to apologize and instead says that the Bush administration should apologize for abandoning the Geneva Convention (search).
And joining us now with reaction is former presidential candidate, by the way, the newest member of the FOX family. Welcome aboard General Wesley Clark. How are you? We're glad to have you.
GEN. WESLEY CLARK, FOX NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: I'm doing great, Sean. Thank you.
HANNITY: Obviously, he doesn't know what the Geneva conventions are. Obviously, he's never read them. Obviously, he doesn't know they don't apply to enemy combatants. But we'll put that aside for just a minute.
General Clark, these comments are insidious; they're repugnant. There's propaganda. This misinformation is outrageous. These comparisons are over the top, and they put our troops in harm's way. And we need prominent Democrats like yourselves to condemn it. Will you condemn him for saying this?
CLARK: I'm not going to condemn him, Sean. I think we have a real issue here. And the issue is how we are perceived to have treated these people down at Guantanamo, on top of everything that happened at Abu Ghraib (search), on top of the bad press we've gotten throughout the Islamic world. All of that puts our soldiers at risk.
Now, I'd fight anybody who compared our soldiers to Nazis, because that's simply not the case. I know the men and women in the United States Army, a lot of them. I know how they've been trained. We do respect the Geneva Convention, and we understand what it means.
But I'll tell you what we have here. We have a real policy issue for our country. We've got to get buy in from other nations around the world on how to deal with these terrorists and other people that we've captured.
HANNITY: General, first of all, enemy combatants are afforded no protection under the Geneva Conventions. These are the combatants in the field that want to kill our soldiers. These are the people that want to destroy our country. There's 550 of them.
But we're not murdering them. We're not torturing them. There is no comparison to Nazi Germany or the Soviet gulags or Pol Pot and the killing fields. It's an outrageous propaganda campaign. It gives aid and comfort to people that already hate this country.
And I just cannot believe the Democrats, just like they stood by and listened to the comments of Howard Dean, that you guys are going to defend this? Rally around him? Circle the wagons?
I — frankly, I guess, politically speaking, I should be glad, because I think it's — the American people are not going to like this.
CLARK: Well, Sean, I think we've got to focus on what's really at issue here. This shouldn't be a political issue. What it is, is a policy issue. And this is where the people in the United States, our government, we have to pull together. We've got to get a solution...
HANNITY: Tell that to Durbin.
CLARK: ...for what's really happening down there in Guantanamo. We've got to get buy in from people around the world. Bring them over; let them see how they're being treated. Let them look and evaluate the evidence. Figure out, what's the best way to deal?
Some of these people, if they're released, would attack us again. We can't let them go. Some of them, maybe they should be charged. We need a process that the world understands and has legitimacy in their eyes. That's what's really at issue here.
ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: General, it's Alan Colmes. Welcome to FOX News. Good to have you aboard.
CLARK: Thanks, Alan.
COLMES: Senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano says Geneva Conventions do apply. We also have the U.N. conventions on torture and a number of other treaties to which we're signatories.
In terms of the Hitler and Nazi comparison, let me show you what Rick Santorum (search) said on the floor of the Senate when talking about the filibuster, comparing Democrats to Nazis.
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SEN. RICK SANTORUM (R), PENNSYLVANIA: The rule has been in place for 214 years that this is the way we confirm judge — judges, broken by the other side two years ago. And the audacity of some members to stand up and say, "How dare you break this rule?" is the equivalent of Adolf Hitler in 18 — 1942 saying, "I'm in Paris. How dare you invade me? How dare you bomb my city? It's mine."
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COLMES: Yes, didn't hear any conservatives condemn Rick Santorum for comparing Democrats to Nazis back when he said that during the filibuster.
CLARK: Well, Alan, I think — you bring up two very good points here. But I think the real issue here is to get past the politics, past the name- calling.
There's an old rule in politics, and I've seen it many times: whoever uses the "Nazi" word first loses. We ought to get past the name-calling, past the politics, and the partisan politics on this, because we have a national security issue and the country needs to focus on it. Our leadership needs to focus on it, and we can't if we just call them names back and forth with each other.
HANNITY: General, we're not — we're giving these guys Qurans. We're giving them meals. We're giving them medical care. We're killing nobody. There is no comparison.
It's sad that a U.S. senator would say that. That's my view.
But anyway, welcome aboard, General.
HANNITY: We appreciate you being with us, and thanks for being on board. And we're glad to have you.
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