A full transcript of Greta Van Susteren's interview with O.J. Simpson on Monday, June 7, 2004:

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

O.J., how is life?

O.J. SIMPSON

Uh, pretty good. My golf game is in good shape. My daughter has chosen her college. And my son is happy, uh, with the, uh, his extra–curricular activities. And he is a top student in school. So you know, uh, my life tends to go by, uh, where my kids are. And if my kids are happy, I am happy. And right now, this week anyway, [LAUGHTER] they both seem to be pretty happy. [LAUGHTER]

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Your life down here in Florida is what? Give me an idea of, well, how you spend your days.

O.J. SIMPSON

Well, it’s, it’s obviously changed over the last four years. Uh. Uh. A lot has to do with, you know, my kids, you know, their maturity. And my daughter becoming mobile two years ago. It’s really freed me up a lot, [LAUGHTER] ‘cause she can drive to school with my son. They go to the same school. And it’s the first time they ever went to the same school. Started about two years ago. So, uh, normally, I am, I try to let them see me, or me see them in the morning, before they go to school. They rarely eat now. So now I am just there, and whatever is going on. ‘Cause you find that, when you have teenage kids, you have to catch those few moments. [LAUGHTER] I used to have it, when I drove ‘em to and from school. Well, I don’t drive ‘em now, but I pick my son up after school. But, uh, then I normally will probably go to the golf course, and play golf with my buddies. Uh. We tend to have brunch or lunch after. Uh. If there is errands to run, or shopping to do. I shop twice a week, and I do all the shopping, grocery shopping, [LAUGHTER] uh, a couple of days a week. Uh. And then I, I read, I write a lot. Uh. And normally, I try to spend the late afternoons, uh, getting by my son’s practice, watching him practice. Then I bring him home.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

When you say, “write a lot,” what you are writing?

O.J. SIMPSON

Uh. Just my thoughts of things. My observations.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Are you writing a book?

O.J. SIMPSON

Not really. I am putting ‘em down, you know? Somebody told me once, “Put all your thoughts down.” And I, I recall during, uh, back in the early ‘90s, uh, somebody gave me that advice. A lawyer gave me that advice, to put all your thoughts down. When you have thoughts about stuff, put ‘em down. Sometimes I, I watch, uh. I used to watch a lot of Court TV. Uh. Then I stopped. Uh. [LAUGHTER] And then, from time to time, depending on what the cases are, you know, I will, uh, I will watch. And sometimes I make observations.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Why do you watch Court TV? Why, why are you watching?

O.J. SIMPSON

You know, I realize now. And it took me a long time to realize. I couldn’t understand why people were so into my trial. Why it was on TV. And, you know, and I meet people that said, “I watched every minute of the trial.” I had more people taped the whole thing. You know how much tape that must have taken? [LAUGHTER] And, uh, they’ll say, “If you need it, I can haul the tapes. Anytime you need anything, I got it,” right? And it used to – . I was kinda befuddled by it. [LAUGHTER] But then, I think it was the nanny trial or something, with the nanny up in Boston. I just recall when that case was going on, I, I was home a lot then. I wasn’t really playing in Westfords. I came to Miami, I wasn’t really playing golf. I don’t recall, whatever that transition was. I had – . My front knee was bothering me too much. So I wasn’t playing golf, so I was home a lot. And I don’t watch soap operas, you know? Uh. Most of the movies you see, I have seen on TV. Uh. And I would find myself, you know, flipping over, and I watch this nanny trial. And it sort of, uh. I found it very interesting, you know? Uh. I – . It was curious watching the “experts.” And I always like to, um, dog the so–called “pundits,” ‘cause most of the time, they are wrong. And in that case, they were totally wrong, [LAUGHTER] you know? And, uh, I don’t know. So, from time to time, if there is a case that interests me, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll follow the case.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

What do you think of our justice system?

O.J. SIMPSON

[SIGHS] I think it will – . It works better in, in autonomy. I think, uh, once you put it out in the open – even though I sometime am intrigued by it, uh – .

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Meaning what? Putting a – ?

O.J. SIMPSON

It changes on TV. I think it changes everybody. I think it – . I think, uh, it changes everybody. I think the media influences it, far too much. Uh. Their opinions are far too, you know, uh, uh, uh – . I think the public who follow cases, uh, are swayed by the opinions of the various, um, “pundits,” who –

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

But isn’t it – ?

O.J. SIMPSON

– who comment on it.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

But isn’t it juries that matter?

O.J. SIMPSON

And they actually don’t – . Pardon?

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

But isn’t it the juries that matter, and they can’t affect the jurors?

O.J. SIMPSON

Well, yeah, I think so. I found out, in my case that, uh, the only people who weren’t affected by the, by the media, were the jurors. Because they were totally sequestered. And unfortunately, most cases, the jury aren’t totally, uh, sequestered. And I know they are affected by it, by public opinion, by neighborhood opinion. Uh. And you cannot protect them from, um – . If it’s a, if it’s a high–profile case, you cannot protect them from being, uh, um, um, “infected” [LAUGHTER] by somebody’s opinion, [LAUGHTER] somebody else’s opinion. And, and if it’s, if it’s gonna be a tough and unpopular decision, I think jurors are affected by it. If they are unaware, [LAUGHTER] of what’s happening out there, sometimes I think they, you are gonna get a true and honest, uh, uh, uh, uh, a vote, a decision. I, I think it affects other witnesses in cases more than anything else, because – .

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

What do you – ?

O.J. SIMPSON

– people go on. They are out in the public. They, they are afraid to, uh, uh, uh, uh, once they know they have been seen by the public, uh, people get afraid. People change their opinions, I think.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

All right. Let me ask you about, just a couple of high–profile cases. Michael Jackson, and Kobe Bryant. What are your thoughts on those?

O.J. SIMPSON

Well, I don’t see how either one could be, uh, [SIGHS] with “reasonable doubt,” or whatever, be convicted, you know? Uh.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

You don’t think – ? You don’t know how they could be convicted?

O.J. SIMPSON

Could be convicted. I, I just, at this point, can’t see it. I, uh – . As far as I am concerned, uh, they are “innocent until proven guilty.” Nothing that I have heard, has proven them guilty to me. Uh. In Kobe’s case, uh, uh, I think every high–profile, and not high–profile athlete, have found themself in a situation like that before. I have certainly in my life, have had girls come to the room, and go back, and come to the room, and walk to, and say “no,” or say whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever. And when I was a kid growing up, just about every girl said “no” once. [LAUGHTER] You know, they had to, because you’d, you’d think they were a slut or something. But I just can’t believe that, that, uh, this girl could continue to come to the room that way. From what I know from girls, even my oldest daughter, uh, about Kobe, is he is a complete gentleman, you know? Uh. And, uh, and, uh, in situations like that, I, I don’t know. In my opinion, “date rape,” and “stranger rape,” are two different things [LAUGHTER] entirely, you know? Uh. “Date rape,” you have really got to – .

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

You believe there is a difference?

O.J. SIMPSON

I think a “date rape,” you really – . All these “shield laws” and things that they have. You know? Both persons’ credibility is on the line. And to me, when you have a person who, who knows a person, uh, it’s gotta be open. I mean, in the courtroom, uh, in the court of law, you gotta be able to look at both persons’ character, character, completely in a situation like that.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

How about, how about – ?

O.J. SIMPSON

Plus, plus, from the way I understand how they did it. You know, any adult, [LAUGHTER] who has had any active sex life, understands that you can’t have sex that way without both parties helping out. [LAUGHTER] It’s impossible.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

All right. Michael Jackson.

O.J. SIMPSON

Well, Michael, you know? You know, I have known Michael for – . Well, not intimately, but I have known Michael for years. And I have, I have seen how Michael cared about kids. I, along with Dustin Hoffman and Neil Diamond, David Soul and, uh, years ago, Richard Chamberlain, we, about five of us, we started to think of Camp Good Times for kids for cancer. And Mike, Michael put all his money from certain concerts towards it. And, and I just seen over the years, how Michael cared about kids. I always thought Michael was asexual, personally, [LAUGHTER] you know? But I thought he was a guy that loved kids. And sometimes affection – . I kiss my son. Now, if you are gonna tell me that I haven’t had my son. [LAUGHTER] And, uh, even though Michael, if you listen to Michael, well, everybody says, all you see, is done for kids. Well, from what interview I saw, he says, “Well, you take the bed, or I’ll take the bed or something.” But trust me, my son, when he was a kid, he told me his friend stayed over. The boys would jump in bed with me, and we’d look at a movie, and they’d fall asleep, you know? [LAUGHTER] Uh. I think Michael is just an affectionate guy towards kids. And I just have never seen that in him. I have just never seen that side of his personality that I would think would molest kids. And I know he cares about kids. And personally, I saw he came to my kids’ aid when my, um, uh, trial ended. Uh. How he went out of his way to contact us, to say “I know you can’t get any privacy. Uh. But Neverland is open to you.” And my kids and their friends and I, that was, uh, the only real sanctuary we, we probably had for a couple of years, to where we can be outside running around, yelling and screaming. Because, as you know, at Rockingham, he spent time at my house. Hey, the media was there. [LAUGHTER] The cameras were coming over the wall. Uh. But, uh, uh, Michael, you know? In Michael’s case, uh, uh, I think the credibility of the, of the, um, of the parent, the mother, will probably set him free.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

And you talk about, uh, uh, Rockingham. I mean, when I was there, and we were there with a billion satellite trucks.

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah. Exactly.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Everybody was, uh, watching you. Um. Everybody in the media was there. Is that, a day in your life? Is – ?

O.J. SIMPSON

Oh, yeah.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Are we still dogging you?

O.J. SIMPSON

No, that has not been the case, for a long time. And I think that they – . You know, the media only dogs me now when there is, when there is no news. [LAUGHTER] And then – . And of course, now with this 10–year and such, I have suffered the first time for quite a while. The front cover of one of the tabloids saying “O.J. Confesses,” and – .

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Oh, yeah?

O.J. SIMPSON

Hell, no. Confesses to what?

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

What happened? What is the story on that National Enquirer article?

O.J. SIMPSON

I don’t know. I didn’t read it. I just, uh. Somebody told me it was in the market. And I went to a friend’s house, a friend’s house, and it was at his house. But all my friends, uh, they were able to see it.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Is that why you? And what’s the article say? That you confessed, at a friend’s house?

O.J. SIMPSON

I just saw the front cover.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

OK.

O.J. SIMPSON

Oh, I don’t, I didn’t, you know, it’s, you know? I know. I, I try not to pay any attention to it, and – .

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

It doesn’t bother you?

O.J. SIMPSON

Oh. It doesn’t bother me. Not anymore, no. I mean, anytime they, they tried to, uh, uh, inject my kids in the story, that bothers me some. Well, as a matter of fact, uh, I, uh, my daughter and I both spoke to Yale, about her legal rights.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Your lawyer?

O.J. SIMPSON

Yale grant, to my lawyer, about her legal rights. Because you know, uh, sometimes she is upset that they try to put, well, say things about her. They kinda couch it in a way to cover. Normally, the cover never matches the story, you know? They kinda protect themselves in the story. But, you know, in that story, I think – . I don’t know. I don’t even know. But, uh, uh, but we decided that, “Hey, my daughter is still being educated. She is still going to school.” Once she finish college, uh, we collect everything, and she then can make her own decision one day, how she wants to handle that.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Uh. Does she know about, for instance, that National Enquirer article, that cover article, where it says, you confessed. Does she? Has she seen that, and said anything to you?

O.J. SIMPSON

No. I don’t know if she had seen it. But her and I, other than her not talking to me at Yale, about these tabloids. You know, she’ll say something like – . And this is not the first time that she’ll come to me and say, “Dad, can’t I do something about? My friends said, or something. And they said, they said that they got me in a story saying something, right?” And, um, but outside of that, you know, I am, you know, hey, be a kid. Enjoy, enjoy this time of your life. And let’s don’t, and you don’t need to be in court with these people at this point.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

So how, how tough has, has it been on your kids? You know, their mother has been dead now 10 years.

O.J. SIMPSON

Well, you know, it’s, it’s. Hmmm. [SIGHS] Sometimes I think maybe I, uh, uh, feel it more than maybe, maybe they express it. And I don’t know if that makes sense. It’s just that, sometimes when I feel at a loss, to deal with a problem, uh – even though that eventually I realize is, it’s all emotion. And even if their mother was here, she couldn’t deal with the problem. [LAUGHTER] But I just feel, from an emotional point of view, that she could have been a lot more, uh, uh, um, you know, that, that, that, that Rock of Gibraltar for ‘em, or help ‘em through their emotional swings.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Give me an example.

O.J. SIMPSON

Uh. You know, I don’t want to really get into any of my kids’ specific, uh, um. My kids are so positive, and they are so up, and they have done so well, that the few times that, that, uh, that sometimes I feel that maybe they could, they need a little more of a hug. I was never a guy – . I was always affectionate, with all my kids. But not to the degree that a mother is affectionate [LAUGHTER] to all their kids. And I have had to really make myself, you know, uh, go in a room, when I think, even if I think it’s silly. And, and sit down and, uh, um, and just say, “What’s the matter baby? Uh. Uh. It’s all right.” But, uh, from that, you know? And even though I read “Men Are From Mars, and Women Are From Venus,” I just, I am still a guy. I still try to solve the problem. And invariably, when you try to solve the problem, you only make girls more emotional. [LAUGHTER] You know what I mean? They just want you to listen, you know? But, uh, uh, uh, in, in that el, element, I think, you know, I wish my, you know? And I wish – . [SIGHS] Oh, how do I say this? I wish I could have been – . You know, some people remarry and stuff, you know? I made a decision that my kids would be first, and that I would not bring another woman into their lives that way. Sometimes I want to just – .

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

But you have a girlfriend. You have a girlfriend.

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah. But my girlfriends are my “out of the house life.” Uh. Sometimes I wonder if that was a mistake. Sometimes, sometimes I wonder if maybe if I should have brought another girl in the house, and – . But, uh, um, I, I still feel like I did the right thing, uh, based on the type of kids I have right now, [LAUGHTER] uh, at this point in their lives. They are both just terrific kids. Um. But sometimes I wonder, if I – . Maybe I made a mistake by saying, “I am not bringing in any other woman into my life, to that degree.”

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

How about their aunt, uh, Nicole’s sisters?

O.J. SIMPSON

[SIGHS]

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Have they been able to throw some, throw some sort of special roles to the kids?

O.J. SIMPSON

Well, despite what I hear on TV, uh, they rarely – . I mean, my kids, uh, uh, they go out. And I have sent ‘em to California, to see Judy and Lou. Uh.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

The grandparents.

O.J. SIMPSON

The grandparents. Uh. The week after Christmas. Uh. And whatever time the kids want to spend there, during the summer. Uh. Sydney certainly spends very little time there. I mean, she goes to California. But she would rather be in L.A. with her friends. And she spends sometimes in Laguna. But, uh, normally, she doesn’t – . She spends very, very little time in Laguna. And then she spends most of her summer, either traveling, or with her, uh, L.A. friends. Uh. Justin spends a little more time down in Laguna, because he has two cousins, guys who are roughly his age, uh, that are there. But, uh, as each year go, goes by, they want to spend less and less time there. So I don’t think there are any effects. But let’s put it this way. If my kids got a problem, I have never known them to pick up the phone and call, uh, to call, um, uh, um, their aunts.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Oh.

O.J. SIMPSON

They have, they have picked up the phone, and called Shirley. But of course, you know, Shirley has – .

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Shirley is – ?

O.J. SIMPSON

My, my sister, Shirley Baker. Shirley has come to, uh, uh, Miami and spend substantial time. Like every two or three months, she comes down and spends the, uh, you know, uh, seven, ten, two weeks, you know, over and over, quite often. Plus I think, sometimes when they disagree with me – . Not Justin. Justin is, Justin is like most boys. He – . Whatever you say, he says, he’s gone. And then he is playing video games, or he is on his computer, or he is out of his mind sometimes with women. Girls, things stick with ‘em a little more. So I think my daughter sometimes feel, that the only person that, uh, has, um, authority over me, is my sister. [LAUGHTER] So sometimes she’ll sic my sister on me. [LAUGHTER]

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Is, is – ?

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Does Denise have any relationship, Denise Brown, with Sydney, or with Justin?

O.J. SIMPSON

Other than when they go out there seeing ‘em. Uh. I don’t, I don’t – . I, I haven’t seen it. You know? I haven’t seen it in any way. I know she was in Miami once and, and took ‘em to dinner. And it would been there for four years, and – . But I, I don’t – . That’s, that’s not a knock on Denise. It’s just that – . Hey, my, my kids don’t have no real active relationship with my other sister, Carmelita. I mean, they – . When they see her, everybody gets along. And I am sure when they see Denise, uh, they must get along. But I am pretty sure, you can probably count on your fingers the time, uh, you, uh, they see Denise in a year. And it’s – . Hey, Denise got her life. [LAUGHTER] She has got her kid in her life, I guess so.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Well, and you have got a lot. And we recently, she has gotten on television.

O.J. SIMPSON

Mm–hmm.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

And she has gone after Marcia Clark – .

O.J. SIMPSON

[SIGHS]

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

– saying Marcia Clark failed to convict you. And she is very angry.

O.J. SIMPSON

It’s 10 years. It’s – . Everybody is getting another five minutes. And, uh, I am sure the income is down, uh, on the, um, foundation that she works for – which, I would imagine, makes her income go down. Just a interesting opportunity here, with the media, with everybody’s interested in doing a story on the ten years. And I am sure I am gonna see Kato. I am sure [LAUGHTER] I am gonna see everybody whose, whose success – financial, uh, call it success or whatever – uh, uh, since the trial, has been directly related to the trial. [LAUGHTER] If you understand what I’m saying.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Sure. Sure.

O.J. SIMPSON

So, so the people who have benefited – not Marcia. Marcia got a big contract. So I think everybody will accept that, financially, that she got the biggest, you know, payback, pay, pay, payment on it. But for the people who were actively involved in it, and certainly relatives, uh, I don’t think anyone’s bills have been paid more than Denise’s from what came from the trial. You call it good, you call it bad. I, I, I make no judgment. And I have no, no, no feeling towards it one way or the other, at this point in my life. But hey, they got another five minutes, they got another opportunity, and they are taking advantage of it. Good luck to ‘em.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

You mentioned Marcia Clark. What are your thoughts about Marcia Clark?

O.J. SIMPSON

You know, I – . You know, I never think of Marcia Clark.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

You never think about her at all?

O.J. SIMPSON

I never think about her at all.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Don’t you see her on TV, from time to time?

O.J. SIMPSON

Rarely. Rarely. And I am surprised because, you know, um, people like Marcia and Fred Goldman got such opportunity from, from this. And they all attempted. People signed them to contracts, and well, it just wasn’t suited, I guess. Maybe, uh, their talents or whatever wasn’t suited to, to benefit from it, [LAUGHTER] you know, uh, sadly enough. But, uh, I know they tried. And I, I told Marcia one day, uh, uh, uh, uh. [SIGHS] That the only time – . The only thing that jumps to mind about Marcia since my trial, was the nanny trial. I had saw her, and had asked her about it. And she said, “That you know darn well, that if this nanny was – .” She didn’t agree with the, the, the, the, the verdict or something, on what people were saying. And she said, “You know darn well, if she was Black, she would be convicted [LAUGHTER] right away, right?” So I am sitting there at home, saying that race wasn’t even an issue in the nanny case. And Marcia just played the race card. And she said exactly what was pretty much the, uh, a theme, once we saw the racial animosity of a, of a Mark Fuhrman. That she, she was saying exactly what we were saying. That race does matter in these situations. And then, I, I, I found that really surprising that, to hear her say that on TV, when race wasn’t even an issue in the, in the, in the nanny trial.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

And do you wonder what, for instance, Christopher Darden is doing these days?

O.J. SIMPSON

Not at all.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Not at all?

O.J. SIMPSON

No. Uh. I don’t care what any. I don’t wonder. I don’t think about it. You know, when I played ball, and I finished playing ball, the one thing I wanted, was never to be introduced, as “an ex–football player.” And I think I succeeded, “that O.J. was this, and that, and he used to play football.” Um. As I try to teach my kids, you know, uh, “Don’t look back,” you know?

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

But look. But when they say “O.J. Simpson,” they think, “trial of the century.”

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

And, uh, a huge population is, is mad out there, about the verdict. And, and you know that.

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah. Yeah, I know that. I know the media. The media. I know that for sure. [LAUGHTER] But you, you been in the streets with me. Y’all, y’all came to my lawyer, ‘cause he is in the room here. And he has been in the streets with me. Um. I – . And there is very few people when – . When the guy from NBC was talking to me, uh, at the Kentucky Derby, he made a comment. And he said, “Maybe certainly one of the most popular people here.” I guarantee you, with all the celebrities that were there, nobody signed more autographs and took more pictures than I did at the Kentucky Derby – or wherever I go, for that matter. That’s what I see. That’s my – .

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Oh – .

O.J. SIMPSON

– that’s my reality. My reality is that, as I am taking pictures of people saying, “You ain’t getting me. And how are the kids doing? Dah, dah, dah, dah. Man, don’t worry about this.” My reality is that – “Oh, yeah, but, there may be a guy over, sitting on across the room, that thinks I got away with murder. I am sorry, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t work that way. I mean, you know, that’s – . Whatever he is thinking over there, is his problem. [LAUGHTER]

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

What do you think that – ? When people come up to you – and they come up to you. A lot of people come up to you often. What percentage of them, do you think, think “He got away with murder”?

O.J. SIMPSON

I can’t even think of it, because I don’t think about it. [LAUGHTER]

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Is that right? No one ever says anything to you?

O.J. SIMPSON

Oh, occasionally, I’ll get a person that, uh, that, uh, that’ll yells out, uh, yells something. And, uh, gee, one poor kid. One poor guy. This is about the fourth time this happened. And especially in Miami. Miami is pretty, pretty, you know, uh, a tough town, in some areas, you know? When they support somebody. When the Latins support somebody, they support ‘em, right? [LAUGHTER] But, uh, I have had at least on four occasions, I would say. Mostly, I think most of ‘em. Once might have been in, uh, at a nightclub, where somebody made a comment to me. And you damn near had to get the bouncers to keep the guy from getting beat up from the other people around, you know? [LAUGHTER] And not people that were with me. Because – .

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

They will protect you, here in Miami?

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not only Miami. Everywhere. Everywhere I go, people are just very supportive and protective, or seem to be, to me. Very supportive and very protective.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Can you, can you, can you travel at all, without people recognizing you?

O.J. SIMPSON

No. No. And I think I probably travel, because I don’t work now. So I don’t travel for business, you know? I probably travel as much as any American.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Mm–hmm.

O.J. SIMPSON

And I go everywhere. And it’s terrific.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

And we need to take a break for tape now.

O.J. SIMPSON

OK.

[END TAPE 1]


[TAPE 2]

O.J. SIMPSON

I don’t think it’s that. I just think it’s – . Well, I don’t, you know?

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

One more time, on that?

O.J. SIMPSON

Um. I just think it’s – whatever it is. But see, I, I – . Like this year, for instance. At one point, he wasn’t gonna play. And that’s what, you know? Why don’t you just do swing ball? And I am – . I truly ain’t gonna push him to play football. Because I don’t believe kids who grow up in, in upper middle, uh, class environments, um, uh, have much of a chance playing (1) football, or playing, uh, most professional sports, with the exception of maybe baseball and of course goal, you know? I just feel that, that – . There is a certain hunger you need, to go through the pain of – .

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Mm–hmm.

O.J. SIMPSON

– of, of really understanding and playing the game of football that, uh, kids with money and stuff. My son is, he is on his computer. My son never rarely ever plays a pickup game. Because when he is home from school, he is on his computer.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Hmmm.

O.J. SIMPSON

Now, when I was a kid growing up – .

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Yeah.

O.J. SIMPSON

– I was in the park. And my game got developed more in the park, you know?

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Thanks. Ready? O.J., this is the 10–year anniversary. How are you gonna spend, uh, June, June 12th?

O.J. SIMPSON

Well, see, I don’t look at the anniversary. [LAUGHTER] You know? I, I, I regret the fact that, uh, we even had to know that this is the anniversary. I have no idea what day my mother died. I have no idea what day my baby died. Well, I kinda know that, because it was football, and I was at a game. And, uh – . And I couldn’t tell you the date my, my Dad died. Uh. I don’t really – . I truly don’t really, um, uh, um, mark those, those sad occasions.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

But doesn’t – ? But doesn’t that, in some way, diminish them?

O.J. SIMPSON

I did – . Let me, let me just finish.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Mm–hmm.

O.J. SIMPSON

I did, a few days ago. Just a few days ago, I did have my kids at dinner, at a ,at a Benihana type place. And, uh, said, “OK, we gotta toast. This would have been your mother’s 45th birthday, you know?” Uh. And we had a little toast, [LAUGHTER] for their mother’s 45th birthday, right? But, um, uh, those occasions – I try to mark the other occasions. I try. [LAUGHTER] You know? It’s not that I want to remember ‘em. I happen to be – . We have a, uh – . My kids and I have a trip planned. And it’s only coincidental. Uh. And hopefully, we will not be in the country [LAUGHTER] that week. Only because of this tenth year. In the past, I don’t think we have made any provisions, uh, one way or the other, uh, uh, for that date. Um. This year, it just might be coincidental that, uh, both are out of school, and we are gonna take our family vacation that we normally take. And, uh, more than likely, we’ll be not in, in the U.S.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Are you surprised, that in the ten years that it’s, that it is that we were at that point? Has time gone very quickly for you? Or has it dragged?

O.J. SIMPSON

[SIGHS] Well, you know, in some respects, it’s been real fast. And in some respects, because of the media’s, uh, fascination, or a need to interject, uh, anything about my case into whatever the latest case is [LAUGHTER] – uh, it is, it doesn’t seem like it was that long ago, you know? Uh.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Do you hate the media?

O.J. SIMPSON

No. I don’t. I think the media, at this point in America, that what’s gonna hurt our – . Our forefathers, I think, never foresaw cable TV. [LAUGHTER] They never saw, uh – . Well, they did, because they used to always do the, the quote of Thomas Jefferson, about, you know, “One who doesn’t listen to the media, is well – better informed than one who does.” And that one who hasn’t heard the lies and inaccuracies. Right. So Thomas Jefferson was hip to the media, [LAUGHTER] way back then. Uh. But I just think right now, the media is hurting our legal system. I really do. They are affecting the legal system, too much. And I know I am not the only one that feels this, this way. Uh. And they are. I think that it’s time for the media to be reigned in a little bit. Uh. You know? I was a big fan of, I think, Caroline Kennedy’s book about the media, [LAUGHTER] uh, criticizing the media. And I, I can’t recall the name of the book right now. But, uh, I just think the media has a little too much leeway. I love, every time I hear about Canada and a little bit of England, of how they, when it comes to a trial, uh, how they treat the media, how, how the media is restricted, uh, of really doing a lot of things.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Well, you know, it’s funny. It’s funny you say that. And some people say, that cameras is the reason why you weren’t convicted.

O.J. SIMPSON

Well, I think cameras. Well, the one thing I could say the cameras did for me, is still don’t make me, you know, even though in one area, it, the camera benefited me. The main area that the camera benefited me, was, uh, so many women called immediately, uh, during the, uh, one of the hearings, when they saw Mark Fuhrman, to tell the D.A. first, the D.A. wouldn’t listen. And then people like Kathleen Bell, and these girls, ladies, who didn’t know me from your average housecat. Uh. As a matter of fact, I think Kathleen, uh, said she thought I was guilty. But they felt the need to report to the D.A.’s office, uh, about his racial animosity. And, uh, eventually, they ended up calling us. And it – . Uh. What seems that I couldn’t, I couldn’t – . I would say to my lawyers about specific things. And, and it, it just didn’t add up. It just didn’t make sense. And then once we started looking in that area, they started making sense.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Do you have, looking back over your life, and I have realized, you are still reasonably a young man. Um.

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah. That’s right.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

What do you, what are your regrets?

O.J. SIMPSON

[SIGHS] [LAUGHTER] Yeah, I could easily say. [LAUGHTER] Oh. I don’t mean to make light – light of this. But a couple of my buddies always said, “Man, you shoulda kept your butt in New York, [LAUGHTER] you know, uh, that, that weekend.” But, uh, hey, look. I regret that I was unfaithful to two wives. Not that I went out to be unfaithful, but I think I had affairs. And I didn’t have a lot of ‘em, but I certainly had a couple of affairs on both my, my wives. And I think I regret that, most of all, uh, when I look at my personal, when I have to take personal inventory of myself. Um. Then outside of that, I think my regrets are no different than what most people have regretted about, [LAUGHTER] you know? “I wish I had paid more attention to this, or than that. And I was – . But, but – .” Uh.  In the last four years, uh, I, I would say – . Not for four. But more of the last six years, than the, than the whole ten years is, I kinda – . You know, I have an excellent relationship with my two older kids. But I kinda regret that I didn’t get with them, or experience some of the things with them, that I experienced with Sydney and Justin. Uh. I was too busy. Uh. It certainly hasn’t hurt my relationship with ‘em. But, uh, I feel like I lost out.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

And you mentioned your unfaithfulness. Um. Nicole Brown Simpson was unfaithful to you.

O.J. SIMPSON

So. But she wasn’t – she wasn’t married to me. I don’t recall – . I didn’t find out – . Now what Denise had told me something, when we, when Nicole approached me to get back together. And I, you know, I was questioning, “Why do you want to get back together?” I mean, you are a senior, [LAUGHTER] you know?

O.J. SIMPSON

And I talked to her best friend Cora. And I talked to her close friend, uh, Dr., uh, Cora’s husband, Dr. Fishman. And he felt that he needed to, to let me know that I, I needed to know all things. You know, Marcus Allen, for instance. Uh. But I wasn’t married to her. And I wasn’t. They do what they want to do. Uh. It was immaterial to me, because I wasn’t interested in getting back at that time. Uh. Denise let me know that, probably right before we split the first time that, uh, with her hairdresser or somebody, she probably had a little thing, because when I, when I called Judy to asked her, “Why does Nicole want to get back together?” And, you know, Denise got on the phone, and we talked a little bit. And she, she said that to me.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Yeah. Let me just ask you that.

O.J. SIMPSON

Outside of that, uh, I just never – . Whatever she did, when we were trying to get back together, we weren’t back together. I would not let her move back in. And to me, unless a girl lives in your house with you, and you are paying her bills, she is free to do whatever the hell she wants to do.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

You mentioned Marcus Allen. Something that I have always been curious about, is that he had an affair with, uh, with your, with Nicole, when you were not married. You forgave him. And then, he had his wedding at his house, at your house.

O.J. SIMPSON

Yes.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

And then, during your trial, your lawyers attempted to subpoena him, subpoena him to come testify in your behalf.

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

And Marcus wouldn’t do it. Why not?

O.J. SIMPSON

Why not? Well, why didn’t he let his lawyer, uh, uh, Ed Hook Stratton, and say that we made it up. What, what, what, you know? I, I don’t hold any animosity, you know? That, that Marcus had – .

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Do you talk to Marcus?

O.J. SIMPSON

You gotta understand – . No. No, we don’t talk. But you gotta understand, this happened, years before her death. This, this happened two and a half years before her death.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

But if, during the trial, he said he wouldn’t come back.

O.J. SIMPSON

But I had dealt with it, with that element of it, when she – . It was Nicole that told me. And then he came and apologized and, and, and said, “Well, you know?” Well, then. And my only thing to him was, “You are getting married, man. You, you know, you gotta get your wife, you know?” But – . And I couldn’t understand why, why she wanted me to know this. But, you know, she asked, so I accepted. But in any event, um, uh, what bothers me more than even Marcus, uh, and, and Ed Hook Stratton being dishonest about it, is , I realize now, during my custody case, were some therapy notes, that the prosecution had. Nicole talks about it extensively in these therapy notes. So they knew he was lying, [LAUGHTER] you know? That – . So that pisses me off. That, that Marcia Clark, and Darden, and all of ‘em, knew Marcus was lying, and did nothing about it, because Nicole wrote about it extensively in these therapy notes.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Uh. And, and, and he was a good friend of yours.

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

A very good close friend of yours.

O.J. SIMPSON

And I, I, I, I – . And this is where I may be a little stupid. I still consider Marcus family. [LAUGHTER]

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

And have you spoken to him, in ten years?

O.J. SIMPSON

Well, in ten years, I think right away, at one point. But not in recent years at all. No, I don’t. I can’t. I don’t recall talking to him at all. I mean, I have had messages. Somebody said, “Oh, Marcus loves you,” he says. I talked to his wife a few times – oh, his ex–wife a few times. And it was, you know, you know, Marcus feels bad about something. But you know, you know, what are you gonna do? [LAUGHTER] I can’t change it. You know? Uh. I felt that he lost a good friend in me. And I still care about him. I don’t – . I hope only the best things for him. But hey, once again, what happened during – with him and her. I wasn’t married to her. What happened, we dealt with, at the time. It was over immediately. When they came and throw me out, I didn’t have any feelings about it one way or the other. I thought it was wrong, because he was getting married, ready to marry a terrific girl. And I knew it would hurt her. As a matter of fact, in Nicole’s therapy notes, her, her anger towards me, is that I only seemed to care about Kaplan’s feelings. And, hey well, you know, Kaplan was a victim, I felt, and not, uh, what they did, they had to live with.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

And do you think of Nicole at all anymore?

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah. Yeah, I thought about her the other day. Uh. And when it’s her birthday, obviously. Um. Yeah. [SIGHS] From time to time. And there is times I am angry at her, [LAUGHTER] you know?

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Why?

O.J. SIMPSON

Because when I threw that, there is things that she could be doing with the kids better than I, you know? When, if it’s an emotional stuff, especially with my daughter, uh, I am angry with her. I am angry that sometimes that she, she found herself hanging around with people that anybody that knew her, her close friends – were still close friends of mine. Her real close friends, who was – who was a part of her life for ten years, leading up to this. Saw, uh, uh, you know, uh, through the keyhole. Uh. That she found herself hanging out with this group of – who are these people? And it pisses me off every time I see the media say, “Oh, but Kato Kaelin. And these guys are friends.” But I don’t know these people. And Kato will admit, he and I weren’t friends. We didn’t hang out together, you know? I don’t know what these, these people. I could count on my fingers the time I have seen Faye Resnick. And this is a group of nomads, [LAUGHTER] I guess, that Nicole started hanging out with, after we were divorced. And her mother didn’t like ‘em. I – . You know, I had no – . You know, hang out with who you want to hang out with. Unfortunately, when we – . That year we were both together, I lived – I was out of town, more than I was in town. And I lived in New York half the year. And I went to _____, I was building up some _____ . And I was in Miami.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Hmmm.

O.J. SIMPSON

And when I came to town, these were the people that she was with.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

What was wrong with Kato? I mean, Kato? I mean?

O.J. SIMPSON

Kato was my guy. I never had a bad thing to say about Kato.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

He lived in your house. And he probably lived there.

O.J. SIMPSON

No, he lived in a, in a, in the guest house.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

In the guest house. Right.

O.J. SIMPSON

And you could see, the L.A. people rent out these places. But I didn’t rent ‘em out. Occasionally, I had people stay there.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

But Kato isn’t a bad guy, in the sense that he was – .

O.J. SIMPSON

I had no problem with Kato. Uh. You know? You know, I am gonna tell you about Kato. And this here is one thing that pisses me off also, that didn’t come out in all of this. Nicole’s worst enemy, in the six months before her death, was Kato.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Why?

O.J. SIMPSON

She hated him. She, she couldn’t be at the house, if she came over. She gave notes to the kids, to tell ‘em to get the hell out of the house.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

What was wrong with Kato?

O.J. SIMPSON

I don’t know. You ask Kato. Ask Kato this.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

I mean, he let you off. I mean, he was in your house.

O.J. SIMPSON

He was not in my house.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

In the guest house, on the property.

O.J. SIMPSON

He is in the guest house. There is three or four of ‘em in the backyard. Uh. But she, for whatever reason, hated Kato at that point. And her, and Kato knew. And Kato, the few times I would see him, would say, “Why does she – ? Why does she hate me so much?” [LAUGHTER] I said, “Kato, don’t worry about it, you know? If she has got a problem, that’s her problem. How is your _____ coming?” “Oh, I think I found a place.” And then, I am out of town for a month, [LAUGHTER] right? So I, I just tried not to get involved in it. This was a friend of hers. I did a favor. When he, when she was moving, that he can use the house in the back, until he finds a place. And, uh, it just took him a little extra long, I guess, to find a place. But see, I was never around. And Cater Wolf tell you, that I didn’t see much of him at all. And he will also tell you, that Nicole was just livid, after a while, that he was there. And called him names, cursed him. Sent him horrible notes. And I said, “Look, man. Don’t worry about it. Just, you know, you can stay there until you find a place. I told you that. I gave you my word. Find a place. Move. But just don’t worry about her. And she doesn’t live here. She doesn’t own this house.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Right.

O.J. SIMPSON

And so, that never came out. And that’s really – you know, that it comes out, that “Oh, they were friends, right up to her death.” That’s absolute BS. The person that she was having the most – her – . And I don’t – . It was no fault of Kato’s. It’s just that, she was pissed at him.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

The, uh – . Nicole’s parents, uh, your chlidren’s grandparents – .

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

– convinced, that you killed Nicole Brown Simpson, um, has your relationship changed for the mode of ten years, I mean, how out of it is, is that?

O.J. SIMPSON

Well, you know what? Uh. What’s – what’s funny is, Julia. I mean, Julie and I spoke often. And, and, uh, up until probably six months ago, uh, uh, spoke real often. Um. If the kids had a game, uh, uh, um, and we attended the game together. We have sat together. We had no problems doing this. Uh. Judy and I, uh, as I said, talked extensively, ‘cause sometimes I, I, I needed advice. Just a week ago, I needed some advice, and I called Judy. And we talked. And we, you know? And, in the course of the conversation, we laughed about some things. And not that we “love each other,” or anything. But Arthur had really no problem with anyone we knew.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

And she never said – ? Never – ? And never said anything to you, like – ?

O.J. SIMPSON

No.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

– in a fit of rate, you know, “Well, you killed my daughter.” None of that?

O.J. SIMPSON

Oh, we had – we had an argument, early on, when we were still in the midst of the custody things. Well, we sometimes had some arguments. And then, I think Judy sometimes. Lou is not quite as emotional as Judy. And Judy had said some things. And once in a while, she may have said something, and I’ll say something, and then – . But we both apologized for being rude to each other the next time we talk. And we moved on. So I would say, in the last seven, eight years, no – we have never had any kind of conversation like that. You know, we – all of our conversation, has been basically, and I said quite extensively, with – with Judy and I. But that’s true. And I always the one that spoke a lot even before, about Nicole, when we were concerned about her. Uh. Or, or what about the kids? So we, we kind of seemed to be able – have been able to put – . ‘Cause you know, everybody thinks, “Oh, they feel this.” Wait. Wait a minute. Hold it. These – . You know? Judy and Lou, to their credit, getting, getting involved in the, in the, in the, uh, um, uh, it’s, uh, criminal trial.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

But they fought you, they fought you, tooth and nail.

O.J. SIMPSON

But they fought me since. They thought their daughter lied on the stand, right? And then Judy got on the stand, in a civil trial, and was dishonest. But she got, you know? They, they exposed her dishonesty, because she had done a, um, um, um, uh, uh, at the interview at the, uh, not Barbara Walters, but the other lady. [LAUGHTER] Whatever her name. So we showed her that interview. This is not what you said back then, right? So I am pissed. I would say, “Look, I have every, every reason to be pissed at them, trying to take my life and liberty.” But as I have tried to tell my kids over the, over the years, “You gotta let things go. You, you, you – . If you have hatred in your heart.” You know, my kids have problems with people. You gotta let it go. Look at me. If I am able to talk to your mother, to your grandmother and grandfather. I mean, you could sit with them, and have no problem. You know? And for their, to their credit, they are able to sit with me, uh, for you guy’s sake. Sometimes in life you gotta put things aside, and move on. Your differences. You know, I may be not totally right. I know they are totally wrong about their feelings about me, if they feel I killed Nicole. Uh. They are wrong, I didn’t. But at the same time, they tried to, you know, tried to, uh, “assist” [LAUGHTER] and stood by and watched people lie, that they knew were lying, uh, uh, during my trial, to my various trials, even the custody trial.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

If I, if I were to speak – and they obviously, they aren’t here. And ask them, “How, how do you describe O.J. Simpson?” What would, uh, the Browns say?

O.J. SIMPSON

You would have to ask them.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

No idea? You have no clue?

O.J. SIMPSON

No idea. I mean, if you, if you asked me that question, I wouldn’t answer it, because once again, [LAUGHTER] if you don’t have something good to say – . You know, my daughter is about to go to college, right? Now, see, a couple of things, you know? “You are very opinionated. But one of the opinions I’m gonna give you. If you don’t have something good to say, this is the oldest – one of the old axioms going – don’t say nothin’ ,cause it’s gonna come back and hurt you. Whatever he trippin’, [LAUGHTER] and evil that you put out, it’s gonna come back to you. Yeah.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

I have never met Nicole. Um. Describe her to me.

O.J. SIMPSON

Capable. Very, very, very capable. Um. Um. Uh. She is probably as bright as any girl I have ever dated. Um. Um. Um. Pfft. Because she is European, you know, born in Europe, and I guess the flair with her mother, uh, uh, a traditional woman, moreso than a lot of Americans, with their libbers and all of that. Nicole was very, um, uh – for a man, she was a great, a great girl to have, you know? She was – you could fight, and she would still cook you dinner. [LAUGHTER] You know what I mean? Uh. So whatever the – those traditional values that women bring to a relationship, she did not let her emotions, um, affect those. Uh. Sometimes she had a problem that, uh, at times we always felt she had to be mad at somebody. And, and Judy and I would often say, “Well, Lisa. It’s now us this week.” So that, that side of her was, we all have some side of that. But well, all in all, a great mother. Um. The person that the media reports that, that the tabloids, and even one of her sisters’ selling photos to the tabloids, that was not the Nicole we all knew. Her best friends, uh, Cora Fisherman, uh, Suzy Keogh, we have often talked since the trial about, Nicole was, that, that those last few months of with, uh, a person like Faye Resnick. This was a person that she wouldn’t have given the time of day to, [LAUGHTER] in all the years we knew her. Uh. How these people got in her life, we have no idea. We have no idea. And, uh, as shocked as I was, after the trial. Actually not after the trial. Um. The day of the recital, to find out that, Nicole was doing drugs with Faye that week, when they put her in a rehab. Um. And, you know, and two of the people that were at the intervention, you know, talked about what took place there. I mean, I am shocked to this day. That, that was not the Nicole that I knew. But the Nicole that I knew, was a great Mom, and a terrific woman.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

There has been some discussion in the media, that you might have a reality TV show. Is there any – ?

O.J. SIMPSON

[LAUGHTER] Yeah.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

– truth to that?

O.J. SIMPSON

Well, you know, everybody is coming to me for different things, right? Uh. And I have been offered so much. But I, uh – . But first and foremost, I didn’t commit these crimes. I have always said I didn’t.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Meaning – ?

O.J. SIMPSON

The crimes.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

The murders?

O.J. SIMPSON

Then you are gonna get a dime, right. [LAUGHTER] Uh. If it means that I have to turn money over to everybody, you know what? My daughter is going to college. My son, I will attend his games, and see to it that he continues to be the honor student and a good citizen that he is. And I’ll go play golf. [LAUGHTER] You know? Uh. You know? Uh.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

So what about this reality TV show? Is it on or not?

O.J. SIMPSON

Uh. It, it – .

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Well, what is it? What’s the idea?

O.J. SIMPSON

Well, there has been – . And I have been approached with numerous things.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

But what’s the one that’s, that’s, that’s voted up?

O.J. SIMPSON

Well, the thing is, it’s a takeoff on something called “Punk’D.”

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Which is? I mean – ?

O.J. SIMPSON

A show that’s on one of these networks.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

I know what that is. But what would be your takeoff?

O.J. SIMPSON

I don’t know. It’s me doing gags as, as Juice. Juice. What they call “juicing” people.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Any interest in doing this?

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Uh. Give me the odds. Is this gonna happen? On 1 to 10. Uh. “10” it’s gonna happen, “1” it’s not.

O.J. SIMPSON

[SIGHS] 7 or 8, that it’s gonna happen. [LAUGHTER] Yeah. Only because I, uh – . The people who may be doing it, I have already arranged where I have, you know, authority. You have a right to work. And then I say, “You pay me, I spend the money, it’s gone, it’s already been done.” So I don’t have to worry about it.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

All right. Now, the cut I want – .

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Let me, let me get – . Let me turn up some names. And you give me your first thought on these people.

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Judge Ito.

O.J. SIMPSON

Um. [SIGHS] A man who compromised his integrity. And he is getting beat up for it now. No good. As far as the prosecution is, uh, is concerned, “no good deed goes unpunished.” He did everything he could to help those guys. And they are dogging him now. [LAUGHTER] That he has got what he deserved.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Uh. Mark Fuhrman.

O.J. SIMPSON

Um. Fat. Um. A victim, I think, of the way – wherever he was raised. A racist. I don’t know if he is a racist today. But he was definitely a racist back then.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Johnnie Cochran.

O.J. SIMPSON

One of the – . A Christian man. I – . When I think of Johnnie, everybody thinks he is part of the trial. I think of Johnnie’s faith, more than anything. Because that’s when I first knew him, in church. And I know that he is ruled and controlled by his, by his faith.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Marcia Clark.

O.J. SIMPSON

I don’t think of Marcia. And I, and I didn’t think she was a nice person. Um. I don’t think, away from a courtroom, anybody would like her too much. And I just thought she was just not a real nice person. And I was in the court when, when she told Johnnie, she wasn’t wearing any panties, [LAUGHTER] right? Oh, that lady. That’s to be – . It typifies Marcia Clark.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Chris Darden.

O.J. SIMPSON

[SIGHS] I don’t even think of Chris Darden, [LAUGHTER] I don’t. At the time, I thought he was a punk. [LAUGHTER] You know? Uh. I thought he was, he was used. Um. But, to be honest, uh, you know, I don’t really give Christopher Darden much thought. Or any thought, for that matter.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Philip Van Adder. Detective.

O.J. SIMPSON

Crook.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

His partner Lang.

O.J. SIMPSON

You know, I thought Lang had some integrity. I mean, for a long time, I thought Lang would be my salvation. You know, even since the trial. But I, I, you know? Once you write a book together, and you make an income from it, uh, I think he compromised himself. I don’t really have – . I have much worse – if I had to have feelings – uh, with Van Adder, than I do with Lang. As a matter of fact, when the verdict was read, my biggest issue, as I had already told all my lawyers, there would be no celebrating. I wanted to go after Lang, uh, go after Van Adder. He was in the courtroom, on the end. And it was just, all right, everything. It took everything I could, not to go after this guy, because I felt he, he was responsible for allowing, um, somebody like Mark Fuhrman to be as out of control as he evidently – evidently was, during the investigation of this case.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

All right. And one last question.

O.J. SIMPSON

Yeah.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

In one word. What’s the word to describe you? How do you describe yourself?

O.J. SIMPSON

Content.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Thanks, O.J.

O.J. SIMPSON

Thank you, Greta.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN

Nice to see you. We did it, right at 44 minutes, huh? [LAUGHTER]