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ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Welcome to HANNITY & COLMES. I'm Alan Colmes.
Coming up tonight, Focus on the Family's Dr. James Dobson.
And later, does Jesse Jackson still speak for the African-American community? The much maligned civil-rights leader will be here. You're not going to want to miss this. Also, former Congressman John Kasich.
And will the pilots on your next flight be packing heat? They might be if Congress has its way, which leads to the HANNITY & COLMES question of the day: How much will it cost to arm and train each pilot if it happens?
But, first, the latest out of Salt Lake City in the case of missing 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart. Former handyman Richard Albert Ricci was formally charged with theft and burglary today, but no charges were handed down in connection with the kidnapping. Does that mean he's no longer a possible suspect?
Joining us from Salt Lake City, Elizabeth Smart's aunt and uncle, Heidi and Tom Smart.
Good to have you both with us once again on HANNITY & COLMES. Welcome back.
HEIDI SMART, ELIZABETH SMART'S AUNT: Thank you.
COLMES: Heidi, let me begin with you. What about this issue of Ricci being arrested or charged -- having these charges against him? Does that give you any further thoughts about whether he might have been involved with Elizabeth's abduction?
HEIDI SMART: Well, at this point, we know that he's being charged with burglary, although they still haven't given us any other reason to think that he's connected to the kidnapping at this point. We're waiting to see what other evidence they come up with.
COLMES: Do you think he's connected to it?
HEIDI SMART: You know, I'm holding back my opinion at this point. I don't think it's fair to put that kind of a thing on anybody that may not be guilty. I mean, I'm not really willing to go that way unless he's proven guilty. So...
COLMES: Tom, you know what's really been amazing about this case. There seems to be a blame-the-victim mentality, and I know that you've been questioned your polygraph test. That's got to have been tortuous you that some of these questions have come up.
TOM SMART, ELIZABETH SMART'S UNCLE: I don't know if that's torturous. What's torturous is having your niece being missed. We're willing to do anything, and we have done everything we can to cooperate with the investigation. We understand they need to do those things, and that isn't tortuous compared to missing our niece.
COLMES: What do you think happened? Who do you think did it?
TOM SMART: I have no idea.
COLMES: Don't have a clue?
TOM SMART: I have several ideas, but I don't have any clue that I could say would be strong enough to say I know who did it, no.
COLMES: We had, you know, Marc Klaas on this program, and he's wanted to do help bring along the particular profiler, Jeanne Boylan, and has said you objected to that. I wonder if you could shed some light on that aspect of this.
TOM SMART: I object to any news network flying people in and trying to be part of an investigation when the police have asked me that they're in charge of the investigation, and when I heard that another person saying this news agency would fly them in and they were on the payroll, I realized that that wasn't a good thing.
COLMES: So that's what your objection was, even though he might have brought in somebody who has had success in the past in trying to help profile people in these kinds of cases?
TOM SMART: I think that the investigation is the investigation, and I don't want to hinder the investigation, and if I've done anything, it's because of that.
HEIDI SMART: Well Sean, if I could add anything to that, from what we understand in the investigation, they have brought in very good profilers as well, the FBI has, and so we're not
doubting that theirs aren't good enough to be on the case, so...
COLMES: Heidi, are you happy with the way the police have conducted this?
HEIDI SMART: I think they're doing the best they can, and, you know, we're supporting law enforcement and the way they're conducting themselves. So...
COLMES: The police in Salt Lake have come under some attack from various quarters saying that they let some false information lay out there for a while and then changed some of the information that was out there. Does that disturb you at all, Tom?
TOM SMART: It's disturbing, and it's frustrating. Our sense of urgency to find our niece is probably greater than anyone's, no matter who's part of the investigation or media. But I think that there's human frailties that happen in agencies, and we don't want to put blame anyplace. We just want to find Elizabeth.
SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: Hey, Tom and Heidi, Sean Hannity here. Thank you both for being with us. Appreciate your time. I know this is a very difficult time for your family. I met your daughter when I was out there, and she couldn't have been nicer, I've got to tell you that.
I want to ask one thing about Tom, and I think the whole family has been cooperative with the police, and you have been from day one, and this idea -- you know, you took a lie-detector test. Don't you think there comes a point where it becomes fair that they release the results, that it's been passed so that the attention can be focused elsewhere? Is that fair?
TOM SMART: I don't really understand very much about polygraph tests. My understanding is about 45 percent of them in a situation could be inconclusive. I don't know that it's fair to put any of that out. That's
part of an investigation and should only be within the investigation.
HANNITY: Let me ask you both, Heidi, perhaps I'll start with you. I look at this handyman, Ricci guy. I don't like what I hear about the mileage put on the car. I don't like what I hear about the seat covers
taken off the car. In my mind, he's the number one suspect. And I don't like the fact that the only alibi he has is a wife that thinks he's a wonderful man, even though he has a 30-year history of crime.
HEIDI SMART: Right. Well, I know that they at one point here said that they're still investigating a lot of different suspects, but that he was one that they were focusing in on for a while.
As far as all of the evidence, a lot of that, from our understanding, has come out mostly through the media. So, you know, we're waiting for the police to, you know, have evidence.
TOM SMART: Sean, can I say one thing about that?
HANNITY: Sure, Tom.
TOM SMART: Our understanding is that his attorney has said that he's been a hundred-percent forthright with the authorities. The authorities tell my brother that that is not the case, that he has not been a hundred percent forthright, and they would like him to come through and either exonerate himself or bring us to Elizabeth.,
HANNITY: I'm glad to hear that. Are the police telling you anything else about this? For example, we know that Mary Katherine heard the voice of the abductor. Have they played Ricci's voice for Mary Katherine, which, I think, would be crucial to this case?
TOM SMART: You would think so. We don't know that, and that would be part of the investigation, and I doubt they would tell us that.
HANNITY: Yeah. Ed was on the program yesterday, and he had a lot of hope because of this letter that he's been discussing and talking about. Have either of you seen the letter?
HEIDI SMART: Yes. I have.
TOM SMART: Yeah.
HANNITY: What do you think, Heidi? What do...
HEIDI SMART: You know, it gave Ed a great feeling that this was another way that he could address himself to the abductor. He felt very strongly because this is he's gotten lots of letters from psychics and different avenues, but this is the very first letter he had gotten from what he thought might be an abductor, that -- from that point of view, and he felt very strongly that...
HEIDI SMART: That gave him the idea that he could get out there and plead to this abductor to please talk to him.
HANNITY: Police didn't put as much credibility in it, but you're a third party. Ed put some in it. Do you see any hope in it, Heidi?
HEIDI SMART: You know, actually, I think Ed from the very beginning thought that it maybe wasn't completely credible, but that didn't change his mind about the fact that he wanted to talk to the abductor and ask him to communicate with him so that he could do whatever he could do to bring her home.
TOM SMART: Not necessarily, Sean, that that was the abductor, but that kind of sparked something in Edward to have said, "I need to hear from the abductor, wherever he is." Edward knew that there were parts of that letter that weren't credible, and he said that from the very beginning. He still...
HEIDI SMART: He made that very clear.
TOM SMART: He still wanted to make sure that whoever the person who has her lets her go.
COLMES: He was clear about those points on this program last night.
Tom and Heidi, we thank you very much for being with us on HANNITY & COLMES tonight.
HANNITY: Thanks, guys.
COLMES: Thank you very much.
And coming right up, Dr. James Dobson from Focus on the Family will join us.
Later, are this week's incidents of police brutality really homegrown acts of terrorism? Jesse Jackson thinks so, and he'll tell us why. That's ahead as well on HANNITY & COLMES.
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