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BILL O'REILLY, HOST: Now for the Top Story tonight.
More strange events in the kidnapping of 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart. According to The Salt Lake City Tribune, investigators now believe the crime was an inside job, that the screen in the window the intruder apparently used was cut from the inside.
Joining us now from San Francisco is our go-to guy on this story, child protection advocate Marc Klaas.
Now, the article in the Salt Lake City paper was obviously fed to those reporters by people investigating the case, which tells us that there's a reason they're feeding the piece out that the screen, they think, was cut from the inside.
And they're trying to flush somebody out, that's what it looks like to me. Do you know anything more about it?
MARC KLAAS, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, I completely agree with you. I did have a conversation with that reporter yesterday, and he seems to be very confident of his sources and very confident of his information. And I suspect he probably has more things that will be published in the upcoming days.
O'REILLY: Now, it looks like they're giving lie detector tests to all the extended family in the case. Tom -- you know, the guy we talked about yesterday, the uncle, Tom Smart, and you've had some controversy with, because he won't -- he doesn't want the profiler sketch artist to come in. He said he took a lie detector test. Do you hear anything about this?
KLAAS: I heard something about it. I -- he made an offhanded comment that he had taken a polygraph, and then he said, "Oops, I shouldn't be talking about this," as I understand it.
O'REILLY: Right, that was on CNN last night. He also said a very bizarre thing, and I want to get your opinion on this. This is a quote he said to CNN, let's put it up on the screen. "I believe strongly that the kidnapper is not a bad person at all, and our family has felt strongly for a while, and there has been a comfort here for a while."
This is Tom Smart, the uncle, again. "This is just somebody who actually likes Elizabeth. We don't know, we have issues, we've been ripped apart by our polygraph. I don't know who has done what with my brother."
Now, that seems to me very bizarre to me. Of course, and I say this with all due respect, the CNN interviewer didn't follow up on it, and just let it fly in the air. But isn't that strange?
KLAAS: Well, listen, I believe in a very aggressive and proactive approach to these situations. The individual that came in and took that girl is most likely a sexual predator, and you don't feel compassion for a sexual predator, you do everything you can to get that guy and get him very quickly so you can recover the girl alive.
And I guess what's where I part company with some of the tactics that Tom is using. I think they need the sketch artist because they've got everything to gain and nothing to lose by using her. I think...
O'REILLY: Well, let me interrupt you...
KLAAS: ... you use every resource you can.
O'REILLY: ... they say they don't want the girl, the 9-year-old who the sketch artist would interview, to be further traumatized.
KLAAS: Yes, this is a life-and-death situation for a 14-year-old girl. I don't know -- there would be no choice, there would be no choice at all if this were my situation. I would go for it, I would do everything, like I say, an aggressive, proactive campaign to recover the young girl.
O'REILLY: Right. Yes, I mean, this is bizarre...
KLAAS: No holds barred.
O'REILLY: ... for an uncle to say that there's comfort here? This is somebody who actually likes Elizabeth? I mean, the girl's been missing for a week. There's a good chance she's dead. I mean, what is this guy doing?
See, (UNINTELLIGIBLE), I am a, I have a problem with this story, Mr. Klaas, it's not following the pattern of many of the stories that you and I have covered and looked at. You see what I mean? It's like the Ramsey case, in the sense that there's crazy stuff coming out of the family. Am I wrong?
KLAAS: Listen, Bill, the last time that Jeanie Boylan (ph) and I worked together on a case and had the door slammed in our face, as it has been slammed in our face this time, was the Susan Smith case in Union, South Carolina, all those years ago.
O'REILLY: Which they -- children disappeared in the lake. And who slammed the door in your face in that case?
KLAAS: It was the family of Susan Smith, sir.
O'REILLY: Really. Now...
KLAAS: But I -- again...
O'REILLY: Go ahead, go ahead.
KLAAS: Yes. Well, I was going to say, I don't for a moment point any fingers...
KLAAS: ... at Lois or Edward Smart. I believe that they are so afraid of what's going on here and so desperate to get their child back, I think they're listening to bad advice, though.
O'REILLY: Now, they've gone to ground, the parents, right? I mean, we haven't seen them, and I -- they were very visible the first few days, but now it -- according to you, there is a division between Edward Smart, the father of Elizabeth, and Tom Smart, the uncle, over you bringing in this, this artist, correct?
KLAAS: Over that very specific thing, yes, sir. Edward Smart seemed to desperately want to speak to Jeanie Boylan. And when we attempted to put the two of them together, Tom intervened and told Jeanie that she wasn't wanted, that's correct.
O'REILLY: But does it make any sense for a father not to call the shots? You've been through this, Mr. Klaas, you called your own shots. Why would Edward Smart...
KLAAS: Sir -- yes.
O'REILLY: ... not call his?
KLAAS: Well, as I understand it, in the Mormon religion there is the leader of the family, the leader calls the shots and everybody else follows suit. That certainly wouldn't have worked in my case, though.
O'REILLY: Is that leader Tom Smart?
KLAAS: Apparently it is, sir, yes.
O'REILLY: Is that right? I didn't know that.
KLAAS: I'd have gone over to the -- sir, I would have gone over anybody -- in our situation, in fact, there was a problem with one of my brothers, and I got rid of him very quickly, because we didn't want anything to stand in the way of us getting Polly.
O'REILLY: Interesting. Huh, I didn't know that Mormon.
O'REILLY: Thank you, Mr. Klaas, we'll check in with you again tomorrow, maybe.
KLAAS: Yes, sir.
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