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Two more Big 12 games were decided late by teams that scored at least in the 50s. National title talk faded for good in West Virginia, replaced by similar chatter at Kansas State.

League intrigue seems to grow by the week, and Big 12 coaches — even the new ones — aren't surprised.

Dana Holgorsen knew his Mountaineers would have a tough time holding up when they were perched at No. 5 with a 5-0 record. TCU's Gary Patterson says his Horned Frogs are just happy to be part of the drama even though they've also lost two league games.

Baylor is 0-3 in the conference a year after Robert Griffin III, but these aren't the same Bears who were Big 12 doormats for a decade.