Gadgets and Games: 11/13

" It -- welcome to get to the games it is Friday afternoon I'm your -- Clayton Morris who got a lot to talk about this week we've got a great roundtable of guests today let me jump right in and welcome them onto my left is -- facilities from -- dot com -- nice to -- Stephen -- We're talking incidence of Steven's here he would and of the geniuses behind games. When you think you can TT news updates I think the -- sitting down step down okay. The supporters stepped down. And scopus does support this is at tech editor of popular mechanics dot com -- is always ethics can -- brought his night vision goggles we'll show those off a few minutes. -- driven technology -- from NPD group and one of the big brains in the tech industry nice to see it -- thanks for. And and we wanna say I know you were twittering I was -- area. The little surgery there shall -- Good. You a lot of friends so we realize here on the mend but it's from beating people up for it's -- for the I welcome guys let's dive right into it so we're talking of course -- big story this week Monroe where four -- called call of duty modern warfare two. Breaking all kinds of records looking its -- numbers already I mean this thing is. This thing is already on pace to do you break that 500 million I think they're sitting for themselves."

" Yet they've already said that in the first 24 hours just in North America and the UK that is sold. 310 million dollars for a copy of that -- Four point seven copies of these game you're seeing. In terms have been -- they'd been engineered to be LA yeah having like a Halo 3 hype was -- thing. Pretty big yeah if you you know you if you step back and you look like something like Wii Sports and spin that out there and more homes -- like that that. Pacman back in the day and this game right I think Kate is just about the fastest thing to ever come out in any form of entertainment that -- for games."

" It's certainly has been the advantage of the halo games that look like for like halo is Xbox title. And really just have a critical threshold of number of sales and get simply because -- only -- Xbox users. If you got PlayStation users and got PC users so it instantly have like a big big adventure gunning for the top spot."

" Yeah who has some of these numbers I mean that yet over the over 300 million. But you know we're hearing courses -- already that. Videogames are gonna do we were already hurting courses like the end of the year it would mean it was like August July when traditionally don't have that these big game releases because of post. We're not having these new releases tilt it to the end of the year. Could this be you think Ross of these cable time."

" Now. I think because you would be. And about a positions him well and I'm sure Austin tomorrow more for the real prize though Bob Walker I mean. Right so what's the big deal with this you know with the big hype on this game. Well the -- call of duty super popular what makes the headlines is the revenue is the cells and the controversy which I'm sure we'll get into. But what I think actually makes -- popular personally people who play it is the multiplayer blog illegally pay attention to. What we're gonna talk about which elements from the single player campaign deflated the social experience the plant. As people played halo and him before that as a sport especially here creation -- right now. She each other up and you pick a side offensive faction and then with modern warfare the first. They introduced to all these point systems where you basically level up your character you get more abilities on the one happy there's incentive to keep playing. And -- people to get hooked on this and I know that the game as any about a week at. Having been out for three days and we are seeing reports of people -- for 24 hours they found 24 hours opener of their life they devote to Ottawa for. They're just. Online like they're playing like sport."

" NB prestige package that he had done the it comes with these nifty night vision goggles which did you offer to model them for -- now -- they had -- Can now look through them when they're actually working that vision goggles on with the proceeds it's you could have a lot of fun is if they they work we're going to have our group. And lo and behold I could see in the dark which knows every little boys Tennessee but I don't think it'd be dream to salute you look like this is when your. -- You know but yeah that may lead not not by made by top military grated I don't know if that is the finest Chinese classic you'll find -- did right jacks Pacific that's why didn't they made out on. And they have a line of night vision goggles are right but that yet but -- pristine condition. President is escaping. I mean right now but it's well in excess of the sixty dollar asking price for just the itself is even. I think an eighty dollar hardened addition this is above that that's. The ultra -- hard in addition to the heart and -- certain Nelson didn't know if you're really just looking at terms of hype and everything in other management worker has. In -- that sells me copies of these sports which is bundled with the -- But the players who play it are much more hardcore about the other is really kind of hard core people that he was technically -- and in terms just the news cycle in the news interest that really helpful if people on the record saying things like this thing 24 straight out explain it. Nobody stunning 24 straight hours playing Wii Sports that is totally -- they would be it. Do waste away they like I thought we had a rough as solar and charisma or the other thing we portfolios -- that."

" Yeah that's why I like I have my carpal tunnel as a result of all my tennis ball online and we tennis playing. -- just the ecosystem of you know the the live experience Xbox live with we've seen it recently. And we have seen this update. We very you seen the announcement of the update coming next week for for Xbox Live the experience of having no home. Theatre experience at home media center experience. I think is many things you can cram into an Xbox that's what we're getting -- FaceBook net."

" You know wolf certainly these are very powerful devices in the home and they really opened up a world war. All kinds of a digital entertainment we've seen Netflix for example take a multiplatform strategy appearing on. Blu-ray devices and the integrated into television so. It's certainly one home one a lot of these services are our burgeoning but. Not always in the living room so while a lot of these content companies are really hedging their bets across the."

" I -- he is looking at some of the Xbox Live updates that are coming getting to play within a few weeks ago. Really I -- exciting stuff be able to stream Netflix instantly. -- having to go to the super cute -- that information not having to jump into your instant Netflix queue on your computer than jump back you can literally scan through the movies there and watch them instantly streaming HD. Equality is beautiful. On a device like."

" If you are good enough that there's ever. I've had the new firmware for the Xbox it's going live for everybody his dad had it for a few weeks at least Microsoft supplied some folks in the early. And the good -- yes you can stream 1080 Ph.D. but the bad is that. For your direct application three Xbox that tells you whether you have a fast enough connection and read what I did not fast enough connection would you do it has little about it disqualified. Did what I prefer it my councils play games so and apparently it took that."

" I think it's kind of cool because an Xbox light source first launch from the system can -- 20052006. From the first came out there looking nothing. Like this and just technology wasn't that we didn't have streaming Netflix we can have true we did that FaceBook. It's really cool to see Microsoft I think it's correct approach to constantly upgrading to consciously trying to keep it up to date. With whatever's -- music that's put out there kept thinking service senate and they didn't do and that's kind of cool it's become a lot you know a big much bigger part of life dispersal."

" You know in a story that I suggest you guys -- earlier but don't we can comment on this a little bit which is that Microsoft released a statement but in reacting to. Analysts' expectations. And sales for the month of October. That the Xbox-360 console is the hardware leader a year over year unit sales and growth. And looked like Nintendo when he was through personal was a leader for quite awhile that having you drop their price half the holiday season. What happens -- Sony Elvis."

" Well I mean this is how Microsoft for that statement mean growth. The numbers and PD put out showed that Xbox was the industry and the treatment counsel's correct. It was the Wii was the top and and the PS3 for the month of October and an Xbox 360s that that's of the little bit to spend saying that incredible growth. That they're going after and then -- the Wii is having some trouble but the PS3 is a system where we're practicing harder numbers. Going up and ways they hadn't before I think the price dropped him."

" There's also it I think he does most future proof Blake it's kind of a forward -- that was a little bit ahead of its kind both in terms of price and what it's capable of doing. And other we're getting some decent kids six and some games instead of multi platform blockbuster titles in the country to which rocks. People are trying to seek history is kind of a really forward looking -- the powerful."

" So Kevin golden rules of that video again of modern warfare must have with -- guys who spent some time playing -- that he had a chance to play you. Not. An assessment quite a bit and Stephen we know you've probably been. Playing this for a couple days straight now helplessly sure I'm sure take us through what we're experiencing here from a gaming perspective."

" For the first persecuted is in the third level against a cliff hanger. You are private jets -- he'd been brought into an elite military task force here in Russia. -- motion sensor heartbeat detector on the under gun but basically big. Created a game and some of the development and infinity ward is good that that runs like Michael Bay action movie kind of pace it right now on May look kind of -- said this is a bit of a stop sequence in this this part of the game. Word you're just trying to keep. Sort of hidden in the storm. But everything's about the break listed a few seconds and things are going to be blowing up undergone snowmobiles being chased by helicopters and that's the problem Michael Bay market bond."

" And we saw that demo these three of course that snowmobile scene which just blew everyone away and I couldn't I was. Absolutely blown away by that -- so this is really were seeing this trend in gaming which is it's become a cinema experience even Sony has made jokes and they've done some of their commercials recently around this idea. Of this cinema experience with a girlfriend doesn't know that it's a game as if he's he's getting immunity you'll play these games for powerful girlfriend thinks it's a movie unfolding."

" It's it's really cool to see that and I think it's most starkly look at the cut scenes because these days there's really little difference to cut seen anything quite. Is that you actually look at the original PlayStation things like Final -- VII the cut scenes look beautiful and get a look at too but there's this huge kind of path between the nowadays it's so -- coaching action that really speaks a lot to house an iMac did -- against themselves that's true I mean you."

" Placement is older games and you deceased that you had sit there and wait fortieth through the cinema scenes and you're just -- nice to drive me nuts member of having regular old lives of the PlayStation 2 X files game to -- game. It was like as good stuff. There's a good blend between it was I was eight interesting tale you know it was like a mystery unfolding as he went along if you like X files and died but anyway I just remember that was standing out to me because these cinematic scenes from the thing just ended up dragging. On and on and on -- I wanna play his game I wanna you know I wanna be fox -- go out there and and you know. Go through the story line here. Mr. Fletcher about the weather watching Clinton it is for him yet this is my -- is -- mine. My -- is nearly as good as this although I'm addicted to call of duty so. I've I've I've I've been actually thrilled to get my hands on this game and be able to play. So final thoughts on this well obviously want to be thought to whether we controversies this week we get into a little bit here which has been."

" The do the scene with the Russian terrorists in the airport scene right certainly was yeah was shocking it's it's it's kind of unexpected on the feud if you weren't spoiled about what happens and I don't know we spoiler alert people. But come in in the game it's there's that scene where you're trying to kind of proved your terrorists bona -- as an undercover guy within this Russian terrorist group. -- part of proving that your AOK with the terrorist cut involves killing an extraordinary number of innocent people in a very very stark in this manner. And it's kind of something that is almost orchestrate just to create controversy to the feeling but I never really seen anything like this and video game can -- and that means your video game. On the and you know they're getting punters in the obviously wanted to controversy in character -- it's crazy."

" Yeah people ask me about it how you feel about this and I'm sort of torn by because you've got the parental ratings on you know and videogame industry has gone to great -- tried to at least. Make parents aware of the the -- them the rating system and bring parents into the fold. But you know a -- for obvious big -- he got to give her son had no idea this was in the game. Found out only later through news reports such that this was in the game told a month though you know mom would get I get that game out of his system. This is a problem with. The rating system is that a problem with just so the lack of acknowledgment about this type stuff material in the game and look --"

" I've I've never I've never. Played -- video you have look at the box video gamer. It's a new movie trailer where they warn you will include scenes of terrorism you know no big labels things develop -- specificity so I don't know that. The father you're talking about. -- expected to have been forewarned. But what he might have been subject to. Is the expectation that they and wouldn't go there and that's the thing was shopping people is that by the Syrians would have not only -- terrorist massacre. But that you would be able to have you have the opportunity to participate in and if you shows. And that. Would I think surprise any parent and with -- any player if you add them to -- have you. What the game does do though is it warns you when you first booted up that there is gonna be something in the game that's offensive that you might find offensive. We won't penalize you if you skip that you can skip the excellence and you -- it is. So I think there are going to be people we're gonna get through it and there and a well I don't. Want any part of this and I don't -- but I don't think anybody's guess -- because if you press the button like don't know what is your curiosities. Only a matter curiosity like what's the above what's the big deal you wanna you wanna see."

" Russ and -- put your response from regaining perspective what we think this has to say about the rating system back and forth here I mean what's your sense of us. Well you know we've we've had oh a lot of issues around probable concern and parental control across. Or -- media and -- ultimately. It's important to do research. You know clearly. Because like this you are are putting up information about what what can be expected in these kinds of products and inform parents shouldn't forget that --"

" Is it because itself. Regulation. Mean forgive me if I'm wrong but there's no video and it's not federally mandated that they do discredits itself -- only incidentally never violated first it's their -- movies are movies -- either think yeah evidently there's no but it is a standard through which they I -- itself itself standardize -- have to."

" And in general role content industry groups. Implement his rating system and an effort to avoid. Government. Regulation of these kinds of problems -- the same one is that it's it's done in a way that's meant to make you feel sick it's it's doesn't glorify what you're doing and at the end of it isn't panicking and doing what happens but it. You can affiliate that and it does it have a good job of not making it like a fun and it's just gross and you it's meant to make you feel growth and does a good job that. And I think is the reason so shocking is because of what the media when you get it's it's it's in video games so we've been raised or twenty years or thirty here's a video games. If you can't just put it to view them as a product aimed at children. As sort of liquid essentially put a self -- for cartoons they kind of showed that yet just because you thought the media was for kids because they furcal still. And it's I think it's sort of like the Simpsons -- Problem for video games where it's the kind of shows that the medium has grown up and its audience has grown up -- and that can do more than just be a --"

" It's interesting because when we look at -- the movie industry. You know we can have we can you know have fun with Woody Harrelson beating the crap out of the zombies with a baseball bat. And people -- he had ends up being like the winner of the box office the weekend and you could you couldn't. You could not get more violent and disgusting in that sort of experience."

" It is because the insomnia baseball -- three years I didn't like -- I don't belong to protest yet we're doing a little bit of but so basic a good pirated it doesn't feel at all like it's me. To be fun you doesn't feel fun when you play them and the games are degraded and you can't get a much more stringent rating and that they must give the equivalent of the pornographic rating. Four. For and against it to me the ratings seems to signal that there's some tough stuff."

" I had a chance this few weeks you'll sit down with. Super Mario Brothers creator Zelda creator donkey Kong creator Wii Fit. Co creator. Issue here on the amount so from Nintendo this kind of weird title I don't know that he has or a real title that he's he's he's he's there and when you're asked what sort of title he has I don't even know he knows what it is. It had chances to sit down with them take a look at this will come back and talk about the new Super Mario Brothers for the week coming up -- A did you have any idea when you're creating characters like Zelda and donkey Kong and Mario Brothers that they would have such a lasting legacy for families and children around the world. Moves into."

" Apple folks I don't really when I was younger I wanted to be a Japanese comic artist and at that time in Japan. Many of the more popular among The Commodores. Would have won individual character they would use across many different comments over a long period of time it's everybody would see that character and be very familiar with that was their. A decision made by you to go back to the original way the Super Mario Brothers and full side scrolling screen going off. And it's addictive nature of the game when you're putting this out for the Nintendo Wii -- homeless. Mario is there is a game that character of seriousness of all digital technologies involved. Each new generation of hardware reaching a new installment in the Mario franchise that takes them to. We saw how Mario went from two -- treaty was Super Mario 64. And then evolve again. He was Super Mario galaxy but. With the launch of -- one of the things that we wanted to do was try to bring memorial experienced back to its original state. Which was very simple that they can. Control on this very accessible to everybody what can families look forward to this holiday season in Super Mario Brothers -- that. Let's particularly interesting about it game is that with. The multiplayer buckland you can have somebody who is a very experienced Mario player and somebody we'll never played Mario game before a grand time playing -- of the players together. I've experienced player and physically in the game pick up. The less experienced player helped carry them through the level or get them over to believe. From obstacles. To the game is designed in a way that regardless of whether or not you've played a -- game before. You can play together with anybody have a really great time doing it."

" And that is that -- new motto and his Seymour that this weekend on the show over and show him off Super Mario Brothers on fox opens this weekend. It was great about it is I mean I was super addicted. -- it almost from the start and playing it it has an immersive experience being able to play with a group of four people together and be able to beat. Beat each other up back and forth or team up with them and get through the levels. Stephen and you had a chance to play at an early review of it. Thoughts you really like the two."

" Yeah it's it's a lot of fun it's I mean there's certain something classic about -- side scrolling Mario experience so it it plays really well. It's unfortunate that they haven't made an online unintended and good job with Mario Kart and their smash Brothers and -- respectively they're racing and they're fighting games folder Nintendo characters together. -- on the couch together we don't plan right here. We play online and people can networked together I think it's an expectation on gamers having this game doesn't have that you have to eat together. Took place that way it's funny when you do but it's unfortunate can all look up online it."

" Isn't it because of a limitation of do we itself and I know me a -- himself has said that they pushed the heat the system to its absolute limits in making the Super Mario Brothers game for the -- is it is. It does it just have to do with the console itself."

" His comment -- a little bit of a setup for punchline and that that we -- just not in the same technology league. Terms of horsepower that's that's a particular PS3 and you know it does speak to the limitations of the Wii or the specificity you know to which they wanted a target they. The experience now and make it -- by. MM with mr. auriemma though it probably the same that you did picture -- is awesome really that's got a kind of shocked to find that he had never actually seen wizard. With percentage which is about equivalent period he had never -- king -- there and yeah you'd think you'd like you know this guy made it hard core players that documentary about. People who looks so risky -- do you pronounce it but."

" There is no unfortunately the king of Kong as we talked quite a bit about that and we had actually yeah there we had a copy of it which was given to on the road while we there. And probably for my interview is simply got -- actually was given to a like tonight before but he hadn't receiving getting brought -- in and trends that are actually brought him but it's not there's no Japanese translated version and I think the subtitles it's a weird. You know the sometime it's he had had a chance to see it so that a dvd or blue or. The -- I believe that I don't know if by regional one so -- watch it he left that behind at the tip via so I don't know it is this. I I had thought that this would be one of the biggest games. Of the holiday season. What do you think expectations. They'll certainly be very."

" Proper -- I don't think it's impossible impaired like one worker to you know the pick what factors beyond partisan kind of enemy is -- that in this game. -- that it says it's -- mean -- America of the European -- I don't know what is the latest. Do you support it once and you -- let you know you don't have to think you know entirely scriptwriter did you -- we're -- up arms embargo on the score yet cowardly you know from -- an -- the -- it just like that but the scope of those Hollywood -- kind of history and Xbox games just so beyond what anything and we will cost especially in this. And so they will make it. Office we will sell a lot of copies of this and everybody and it can be very happy. Right this isn't direct sequel. To. Earlier this diplomatic signal to these people are Brothers. At the weekend which is -- DS title came out about four years ago and we talked a model of -- before selling so well. Its successor to a game so they're killing capitalism the successor to a game and -- from our Brothers -- yes that's a twenty million copies worldwide so far so I mean. The market loves this kind."

" Above what Ross was Steve was talk about the living room experience is out of state for Nintendo not to have that life experience. All right yes I think the company is certainly focused on on the gaming experience. Really. Looking to. Expand the audience happens to. That market her for casual gamers. -- clearly. I had some some successful that strategy and who doesn't necessarily have all the media and entertainment. Assets. To. 22 vote to. To bring into this business Sony and Microsoft. Do so. They're depreciation. So final prediction is this for the for the holiday season we think this could be bigger than now modern warfare two. That I."

" It seems doubtful because. -- order to successfully solves only platform is still on the wave and evidence and it feels that. The shot -- cancer -- thoughtful and hopefully for errors it's going to be response that seemed. The that's the -- if finally before -- it from Nintendo. We -- her what was the rumor about -- not not having a Nintendo Wii HD. Shot those rumors down until -- that this week is that what was that about right that."

" Comes from an interview that. Nintendo of America president Reggie -- and I gave. Two Jeff Skilling and can't just give me a couple weeks ago. Asking about predictions that there'd be a Wii HD and points I actually met with mr. his -- today a couple of hours ago. And ask him -- more about that and he said that you know big there's nothing they can announce. But that is the problem with the expectation -- are ready as a that we just gonna go HD is that he said. That's not how we do things we don't just say okay this of the technology everybody else is doing so we're gonna do it. If and when we do something like that it's gonna have something new to it."

" Well. I don't know what substance you can sort of glean from this behind them and I met with mr. -- moto I asked about future -- well and he made it clear that the next iteration of the Nintendo consul. Will happen motion capture and control -- some sort and he said it would probably be smaller. Then the currently in cheaper or -- cost efficient probably new technology to be cheaper. But some but it will still have motion capturing in some way but sincerely believe it backwards compatible that we if it's not directly. We HD you might have a whole new name and then it and everything."

" I was jump in its. Done with Nintendo so we'll see some more of that again on Sunday on FOX & Friends. Let's let's jump into was too little on boxing here. Yeah I think this schedule yet. City of the last night to Samsung announcing their -- oldest two which is the new. Which is their new cellphone offered T-Mobile and it's running android. One point five. And it's got the cube. Very exciting very exciting to have the cube. Rolling it which is tells -- in the Q and countless shop. -- The QB is sort of and navigation -- you I would just has that you know you could expand your finger around on it. He can and navigate through -- or. Spin -- this way and then go to it I have some video we can take that video Kevin if you want."

" I don't know. Want. Very nice you know and what do you say such as -- certification magazine said it was the most pointless you lie interface driver ever seen before and I think you know probably an okay phone but I am apt to agree that there. You know it does have a nice screen Ross what your. Which your impressions you know certainly one of large number of android devices we're seeing hitting in the fourth quarter and it's visually distinctive you know there's a lot being done -- I can see now on hand maybe novel. Well thought out. Some of them yeah. You know it -- I I didn't have a problem with it I just I found it to be for full price that's industry points 200 point nine bucks. It's Morton shortcuts yet. I mean to position yourself right now is a mistake. That we'll certainly been difficult for. And the enhancements above the 199 benchmark. Three -- that. Yeah I mean I don't know how you come -- phone that benchmark over 199 at this point 2292 year contract. Because how oh lead. It display which. Yeah. Does have a beautiful sea lions have some are leading the charge of bringing Pulitzer heavily is that politics two mobile devices it's really kind of cool to see them because. It is an -- after the not to any other mobile devices it would certainly in many phones do. From anybody other success for. Yeah honesty of your -- and."

" Let's just a gaming angle of -- ridiculous but I'm thinking that that might be bad for gamblers it's just the hey I tell you why they're going to drag and application on it and dice again and we'll that it that it transformer when you have acutely twice that era -- I think that he had."

" Could put an accomplished. It is so much enjoyed going on right now actually it's hard to distinguish itself the problem. Yeah I mean talking is that talk -- into a developer last week any one in the big problem right now is that differentiation and market -- fragmentation in the market and how do you. There -- still waiting for that definitive definitive android device to be able to develop for and that's got to be problematic for injury developers I would think if they're trying to wait. You know its effects talk -- the last thing he was saying you know having. Opening up he's working -- android running on one phone same applications and running another android phones that won't work. We'll crashing all the time right on another I mean that's particularly following. It really calls into question the value of having a licensed operating system across multiple platforms -- but that's developer needs twenty different phones -- that they got a picture doesn't crash that's. Yeah. Some by Google Chrome OS we could hear next week we rumors of the operating system. From Google finally dropping next week we heard about a Mac and finally do you Google. Chrome browser for Mac coming in December which I've been waiting for. What should be exciting. Is -- use that on PC's right now I absolutely love and speed of that browsers that I. Next I mean on a PC I don't think there's anything come close. -- Now you know I've met I mean I know them several of them have read since. -- Well that the resolution from what I said was anytime you have somebody like that comes out and endorses. Something like that. You know Internet Explorer it the only person that would come out like that and in -- in -- explored some who never use if -- hit I can imagine like. Dolly pardon sitting there surfing all the time go to the kids' welfare and the effect -- Orioles would only from. But. This so yeah let's talk about Google Chrome OS. From a to I don't know how many you gamers you talked to who might be excited for being able to develop on different operating system might that be able utilized. Have you. What sort of area from the media perspective are you hearing about any excitement there and now."

" Not not not really hear much about that mean. You know. When you when you're talking -- your focus more on the application -- already so. The terms of working off the sell less than. I'm not securing -- indie developers are super excited about it but I could I could -- yeah so when we expect in is this true I mean who knows a week from now we could be hearing. Over you know regardless of when it ships and and in terms of native apps in general. I think that there is conflict that who risks setting up with android because they've. They've had these developer tools out there for android and -- same with chrome isn't going to be more -- days so I think it's tough to be. Trying to court developers for android when you're doing something different with your desktop operating system it really fragments. The platform and a way that certainly apple and Microsoft -- trying to move away what."

" Didn't really cool I don't know if they are playing in this does that make it so compatible android and really cool way they can make it so. If you're injured mobile application for whatever reason you wanna run on your desktop it's really east of -- between two. And can you emulate entry in some way to run into programs that's kind of propel. Gimmicks like a really cool and I think. Possibility between your phone and stuff but I don't know if they're doing that."

" Yeah. I think it's adjusting to be able to move I mean as Google is keep wanting to move the quality to bring a great point. You know and even my dad today this -- talk is money -- office says the real soon office saying on. -- why would you wanna live in the cloud why would you -- hands and my dad still doesn't understand that outlook is not. An email client it's an application that aggregates email he thinks that. This is separation in his eyes of people understanding that you guys ran numbers that recently didn't you on this looking at. Moving towards the cloud over my wrong about that. No rebel well I thought I thought -- there was numbers Ron it would be for you guys I."

" And conservatives and uncomfortable idea grade do the cloud in the net. That was one of the things people are talking about more early in the year when it is -- conference the service on live. Announced their existence they've been an incubation for seven years working on this. And saying you know proposing a model where gains would be -- anymore it wouldn't be it or they could but that's you get them instead. He'd be getting a bit extreme Q it goes back to the Brundtland broad bent pipe with connections when you actually have that. And we got a lot of mixed response from -- readers -- those who were all full of the idea that they wouldn't actually have their games anymore. Versus those fishing -- like the portability idea give their games could be with."

" Let's talk about some other numbers and -- this week from apple. To mentioning surprising numbers of course the big hoopla over the apple store opening on Broadway -- got national attention which typically doesn't happen for a major apple store other apple store launches but this is a big deal. Yeah this is the first time they've done glass -- On the on an apple store as -- he needed more Wonka. -- And I go through the glass and giant glass elevator and -- it actually -- have one in this when they just have to -- well now today announced windows first hail storm -- It's. We've we've got a chance you have. Whether it was that they ultimately isn't there there's quite an echo there it is a big. Paul Light space. And they have all the apple products on on the top floor all the accessories below so with somewhat differently now than we've seen. In other apple stores but really the interesting thing there was a discussion by. Ron Johnson -- retail about changes are going to make going forward in terms of larger stores with with larger genius bars -- there you know scaling that's. Because they've just had tremendous success. They have. You guys put on numbers. For C Mac -- account for less than 20% of the US retail market. According do you guys but nearly 90% of the 100 -- 1000 plus segment. And they really don't want to they've been fighting this and they really don't want to drop their prices but it's you know it's it's it's really a holistic puzzle it'll joints together and -- day. What were to launch low price low margin netbooks they don't have. The profit margins that they need to invest in things like marble and glass. The apple stores which attracts consumers -- to -- More you know expensive macintoshes so bowl at all feeds into the I have refused to work at the subtle apple sort and when they first built it. She told me what each one of the suspect's bullets that are -- I can't because Foley and a bundle this summer but for the next forty grand per stuff. It. And -- to -- the thousand dollars notebooks. And you did say we're talking about the the experience and you walk in and have -- three tables wide. Is that -- is that they wanted him to to go through with the thinking there. Just well for one -- at their product line is expanding. So they talked about how. -- in the first apple store the you know was before the iPod it was before the iPhone they had just. Much smaller product portfolio. They still wanted. Lots of room to show off what they had now they just want you know they wanna accommodate things like a 27 and -- you know -- Nice big screen and and they want more space for things like genius bars and one on one sessions as a lot of community being driven. That they're trying to drive in the stores and apple store space is extremely coveted by third party accessory makers extremists from the coveted. And having more of it is extremely -- apple because they can upon all these guys are incredible. The amount per square foot blew me away -- amount. Of sales they make per square foot -- her one foot that have. So sure that we have -- microphone adjustment issue -- a wardrobe malfunction. To per square footage blows every other retailer away. Across the board that -- foot. I think date. What did you do there that are it says that there the size of of an Abercrombie or you know one of these smaller clothing stores but they're bringing in the revenue of an anchor store like like a Macy's. -- into the mall so. It's ridiculous yeah because I mean it's again because of those margins. Model and the high revenue you know the high of share price per per item prosecutors more expensive than pretty or -- writes the better."

" Yeah I will. Yes and have incredible incredible retail numbers. And they got a little bit of the Diego on Microsoft when asked about opening these Microsoft stores. Which was you know what you expect. And I think response was well thanks have a ten year -- snow yes. Yeah they certainly have that and whether or not this is though the question for Microsoft what do they they do in those stores. You know they don't have a lot of hardware to show off. That apple does they have -- they have. The Xbox. Is gonna be larger gaming section in the newsroom what do what we have the one store launch was it to store to one launch a few weeks ago oracle. I think they've they certainly want to at least one yeah -- Larry is Arizona the Arizona Lincoln naturally that mission our. California. -- photos on the when it was launching but from -- gaming perspective. Because if you talk to any Microsoft people about the natives they're -- strategy in those."

" I haven't they haven't processed it yet so these I think that they are really trying to send us an S should perhaps because it is so. You know narrowly based and it's going there but. There that's actually something with interest and to see how it develops in terms of gaming centric stories starts with gaming space and then this. He DC to -- sections of a lot of other retailers spanning. Is something that. The vision to see and -- I'm wondering if apple told you anything about if there are all gonna. Put a focus on in America and embarrassed about their gaming. Except for -- yeah caps have an iPhone if there -- present gaming in any improved way and their stores but like -- in the city got. The Nintendo world store just yet ceiling -- a fully gaining steam in retailer. They're immigrant store yeah Nintendo and is -- usual but I would expect that Xbox eventually have a large --"

" 11 thing that they did address with they're not calling their larger stores on Apple's not calling its largest stores. Flagship stores you know the way that Nokia have launch opened a few of these. They call them there significance stores because they're also there greatest revenue producing. Stores so. These just haven't been isolated. Retail outlets to showcase the variety of products they are. You know serious revenue generating machine so the other stories are there any significance for. That in the case standard and Andy has been through there."

" You wrote a good point go about apple and sort of being perhaps a little embarrassed by the success of gaming on the iPod Touch in the iPhone platform because we heard an -- was last week when that come from. I can't remember where that interview came from early."

" Did an interview with John Carmichael co creator of him and -- its offer products companies been aggressive about. Creating apps gaming apps for the iPhone name port a number of person doom Wolfenstein. On today on the platform. And Brian's interview with -- Marseille last week. And then again on fuel this week he's talking about the fact they said I think -- fluid -- comfortable. Dean gaining narrow big there's there's an awkwardness about it they did and one of their recent big company you know. Dog and pony shows show all of the apps are no signs showing them compare this to. Images of all the DS is speaking out there that sent look look at how far we've -- this century time but. They still don't really but to --"

" Especially not on there under best platform I mean it its its historical historically. You know it was over fifteen years ago trying to get a good team for Mac it's very very very typical of halo is coming on point that was -- and -- look -- point one point -- Missed was on the Mac and hopefully the coolest thing in Mac and then there's there's nothing else for the episcopal CD-ROM effective immediately. Then it can give up on the Mac is -- platform for a very very long time. And then they commit it reemerged a couple years ago Anderson ups for a their -- a couple of things that is huge gap wind you know under -- from the kind of -- acting success that."

" We have somebody rodents and I I do remember in fact. Some input so that you remember that PS PM PS2 X files game. Thank you did everything -- it's my voice and that game as of every human variant that actually loved that game thank you run on track it's awesome. That the voices that they the company and yeah they have they did all the voices for -- Tuesday happening saying that they -- Texas. I had a chance also the other night to. By Tuesday that tape obviously take a look at the new V phone. From say yes sages -- it's nobody else he was out of the blue had no idea what this phone was. We have some video of and -- shot it's running android 2.0 the keyboard I must say actually looks better than. Detroit take a listen I think we have audio."

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" And a video calling -- those and saying the video and video and they're calling takes him. Kicking off three times is a much bandwidth is a typical phone call how much power. The question. Didn't I mean it's a collapse I know I knew anybody who's betting is this a different hour and a half using the -- the other problem is so the some the other ones have that capability but. You have that other person has to have that phone."

" But the technology never really took off and America it's huge here it's been huge in Europe for a long time and part of it is cultural I suppose like. There's this perception whether certain other Americans are interested in having their pants on it would make phone call. That's about us and part of it up also roughly but the because when I can if that the networks America with -- to handle it com. And so it's really interesting about this problem is that they're claiming they can you catch -- has a video calling over the existing 2.5 chiefs in the network at my knowledge no other phone can do that they've also found some critical technical work around. Making existing networks did something that previously could do was not very well color or the primary could be really lower the frame rate would be really -- And dumb and it's of it's also it's -- of -- the company had never heard of and they are Bryson. -- I mean. Is that some OEM for something else I don't know but it's that's kind of out of the -- you see these things all time and it on a carrier deal but they're clinical and Verizon which -- good for them."

" I knew it looks like Detroit if only with a better keyboard. And an extra camera ever sent extra camera and forward facing camera so -- see what they do after probably at -- a little bit before that you know from -- so interesting stuff. Kind of caught us all by surprise the other night -- cause all of us prize the other night. -- was unveiled event was taking a look at the new bill HD MZ no. -- The this you know it's like a Mac mini. Basically it was calling it ABC Dell has a Mac mini but a little -- like a home theater. All these faced placed on the top here removable he put pink on their blew on there which I don't get in myself because they sit in a constant. At home if you Heidi you wanna hide the."

" Living underneath for the third time after a sudden ten dollars extra for whenever he played pretty yeah. What your present distrust. I -- what -- trying to do here is really I mean we've seen a lot of small form factor PCs in the past. They're really trying to get desktop all the components. In a very small. Very small form factor so more powerful processor are. More powerful graphics. And then some degree about credibility has HDMI. And so you know anyone who's looking to conserve space or perhaps uses is kind of home theater PC it really doesn't have. A lot of cable card capabilities or anything like that but you know if you wanna use who war or other Internet based media center kinds of content. That that is part of the market they're going for."

" Yeah I mean and this and this home theatre experience that the companies seem to be gravitating towards. You know what's. Did you see seeded number of was the number of USB ports on the back it's too on the back to -- from two on the back to on the wounds here what else was. Yeah and you've got has -- him which is interesting because the the Mac mini doesn't have HDMI reference. You it would -- those surprising. Running windows seven. Although because apple has the apple TV. Products for true. True that the licensing of course in fact HDMI licensing people within the other night as well and that's a problem HDMI licensing which is too it's like two dollars for licensing fees for product isn't that. Per unit. Per per product so. Why would they wanna spend that money why wouldn't apple just live with their mini display port technology and which has now been moved to be standardized that. Why would they need to spend that kind of money. And right about there yeah report. You know it it's another part because of -- the source of this about a person it's certainly yeah. The settle a satiric because the front page of the USA DA today had that wind TV. A story. That finally looks like we could be moving towards a -- TV experience we've seen before with web TV -- never went anywhere. We've seen in who did the deal with the Yahoo! widgets in now what TV that be a number of them yeah Samsung. Zero ball. License -- Yeah form. That really. Still. Not really something I'm excited about. But now finally would be moved towards Xbox Live having the home theatre experience -- with a big update coming next week and then. Few weeks later -- even bigger updates coming. Could we finally have wind TV."

" A whole lot has changed since web TV was introduced to you more than ten years ago. The you know that the networks are a lot faster. The TV's themselves are much higher resolution. And and display. Progressive graphics which are. Better suited to Internet content. And of course has been a reason to have the on TV which has been video an explosion of TV shows now available. For viewing on the TV that opens up a lot of questions in terms of how. Cable companies are going to deal with better compete with that also this week we saw. The Comcast's announcement about TV everywhere. Looking to open that up to. Its subscribers but. You know some of those sites will use flash somewhere -- forthcoming. Html five standards but. There are now compelling reasons to have Internet content on the television."

" It's -- early try to generalize is gonna it's gonna be it's it's it's the different paradigm than when web. He first though because it back then you're watching your cable TV which also lets you surf the web under TV now particular video delivered over the Pataki -- I think he was like a mythical. Unicorn back at an independent and today the connections are there to technology's there to -- out of work. And that's what it's -- this this idea that you get the video delivered over the -- he could before it was like. Qualities you know webpage -- your TV."

" What's happened -- answer right from the web TV now is that Nvidia has. Ceased being so much the domain have just television so. While there may be more web to your TV these days there's also -- TV to a -- to your web between computer and I mean I find myself. Watching television one more on my laptop because that's right and once officially get an on demand. And even you mention the saved him the Xbox 360s services there. Already doing things we're able to bring some of the content you've taken down through your Xbox-360. On to -- and portable. Sony has tried various strategies that allowing it to transport content that you downloaded through PS3 to PSPs so. You're having these portable screens and a lot of people consuming. What used to be honored -- eight. On their portables so I wonder how much if that was all conveniently accessible through the TV people would -- that he -- purchase with -- kind of already moving away from them by."

" Says the placed a lot it's all 3 -- full diagnostic of what's going on like that the wall between TV and Internet is slowly crumbling down very quickly crumbling down in fact. And it almost doesn't matter where you're watching it or even how you're getting it -- its -- or cable connection or heard it and -- of people won't even though but -- it's still needs to be."

" Easy to do and right now it's not it's not entirely that easy. Yeah and you know we're seeing even new companies coming in trying to. Eight with the navigation. All of this explosion in content really home in what we'll have. A number of different ways you have. Website called quicker dot com for example that is. Trying to act as kind of a TV guide to four online video. You have the start up by -- TV which has a little track pad -- controller for navigating. Why do. Array of content on on television. So. You know there there is an abundance of -- how do you find it. And and how do you get it personalized for you is is really the question."

" Yeah meant to say the experience the last night I have The Who desktop client. On my Mac which I just have it connected through you know to decide right here gonna run it. Right to my TV through any display port through HDMI. And with who desktop client the American usable Applewhite controller flip through. And watch content that way and it's you posted I think last night I've used it quite a bit but I just thinking -- has those good keeps growing through some random shows you watch an old science fiction -- time tunnel. That was jumping over to paranormal state and I was jumping back and forth all the stuff that was in my Q. -- this is great and it looks fantastic. You know and I just have your basic Time Warner connection. I'm not paying for boosted speeds or anything like that. But though if it could be that easy for my parents to do. They get a -- bucks and I don't have to come home and actually explain to them how to set it up and how to then go to your Netflix queue. If it becomes ubiquitous in a way that's easy for people. That's the only way perhaps it will become ubiquitous I think so. I don't know how box you -- I did added that this story. Box he finally getting a box at the."

" Putting the box and box yeah he. Still what is this thing. Looks quite PC might with -- here in Sofia the bucks you obviously there's a great and a -- aggregate social networking service lets you take care. Hulu sort of in -- Netflix only other video -- put on one program. And it's got -- useful -- people."

" I love it love -- in the Boxee after the I phone is fantastic. We're playing that without the GT GT launch party and I hadn't had a chance to play with. He's been played it before it's beautiful -- come in December of social media enabled media center. -- he has some other great news are also going to be getting to the dedicated hardware device soon it's in alpha Boxee. They're there I guess they're just they're they're platform runs on Mac Linux and windows systems but a dedicated device. They're saying. Could be a far cheaper hardware option so 99 dollars maybe this standard now from a -- perspective is that where you might see a placing the market --"

" Now I I think it's gonna be more expensive than that -- really has more hardware that's going to be thrown on it because. -- takes advantage of local storage I think it's going to be more of a PC like architecture they have run on apple TV in the past which is more of a PC like -- architecture. But you know they keep getting bumped off by apple -- our candidate so but it back on do we know I mean as -- up -- duplicated -- gone and I -- I -- post on how to get it back it takes some work around."

" And it's worth -- neighborhood. Again that he didn't run a cord from your you know you're existing PC is. Yeah visceral box -- anymore that your perfect set top box right there. What else do we have to talk about this we oh twit this week pulling back on their re -- feature. Which was getting slammed by just about everyone I know and spoke to -- off PC bang he was saying. Didn't like because you didn't have an option to edit being able to -- which there's what you wanna do people wanna add their own color and content to it and it wasn't that option."

" And -- I think you're coming up against some of the limitations of -- 140 characters. It's very difficult to comment on something without altering the original post and I think that's. What Twitter was was trying to preserve they're also trying to preserve compatibility -- Which I think it's gonna be struggle moving forward is they wanna take it in place."

" Yeah have a feeling that PM in the whole reason give 140 character limited so everything that we can work the text message. Have a feeling that's got -- like six months left before hum they kind of realized that I don't do it but he's using them well I I don't but but the clock so I do know one person -- But the idea is that they wanna keep this viable form markets outside the US for developing markets they. They see the potential for this to become a way that that people communicate because that's the masses. Virtually universal."

" This week he TNT fired back. And Verizon over those ads we've seen a number of ads the there's a map for equipment and apparatus. Ad showing of course the red coverage from Verizon in the blues scant coverage from Verizon. Out eighteenth he said that that's not accurate those maps aren't accurate and that there is attacked much more coverage than that. This week -- we also saw Verizon not backing down and then coming out this misfit toys dad take a look at this."

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" So AT&T file filing a federal complaint basically saying that some reason ads from Verizon so blatantly false and misleading that we wanna set the record straight about eighteen he's wireless data coverage this snow hits them right in the sweet spot it's disingenuous though to imply that these things. It would be the toys with a square wheels as of this stuff. -- he's so clunky useless but other than eighteen t.'s network isn't just completely disingenuous you know."

" Verizon's trying to get the message out there that the service on the device are linked to each other we saw sprint. Come out with that message to in the path so you know it's important for three G phone."

" In the real problem isn't that they're they don't have an over if they put this is where they do have been over it sucks right so I think that's one of the blue area and then I have my weight -- in the awkward fit that New York city's covered a little coverage if you had tried but betray his by the way."

" Via a macho mention them and that that has this -- TV. Application which is another example television moving away from the traditional sat -- on -- mobile platform. These -- TV platform. Well Stephen took -- from Kentucky dot com nice to see you would get working on for the holiday here."

" We're gonna ever get guys up and a couple of weeks and also for people shouldn't talking more about lot of war effort they were doing so it's kind of like book club for clinic type game. At the top could -- club. And the next installment which shall discuss that terrorism level that we continent here. -- players play that level discussing -- lives a couple of hours cooler today. What is it webcast is it's they can actually just in our comments section we start off topic and then anybody can join and anybody you know just. Enter and your profile image search about the great supporters -- popular cash we have working on them every day -- recognized that the got a popular mechanics --"

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