Gadgets and Games: 11/13

" It -- welcome to get to the games it is Friday afternoon I'm your host Clayton Morris who got a lot to talk about this week we've got a great roundtable of guests today let me jump right in and welcome them onto my left is -- from -- dot com -- editor there nice to see Stephen welcome -- We're talking incidence of Steven's here you and one of the geniuses behind games. When you can you can TT news updates I think the -- sitting down step down okay. -- simpler step down. And scopus does support this is a tech editor of popular mechanics dot com -- is always ethics guy and he brought his night vision goggles we'll show those off a few minutes. -- driven technology -- from NPD group and one of the big brains in the tech industry nice to see it -- and -- thanks for. And and we want to say I know you were twittering I was -- it. The little surgery there shall -- There. The a lot of friends so we realize here on the mend but it's from beating people up for -- for the I welcome guys let's dive right into it so we're talking of course big story this week Monroe where four -- called call of duty modern warfare two. Breaking all kinds -- records looking -- the numbers already I mean this thing is. This thing is already on pace to do you break that 500 million I think they're -- for themselves."

" Yeah they've already said that in the first -- for hours just and North America and the UK that is sold. 310 million dollars for -- and again. Four point seven million copies of these game you're seeing. In terms -- amount -- they'd been engineered to be LA yeah -- like a Halo 3 hype was I think. Pretty big yeah if you you know you if you step back and you look like something like Wii Sports has been -- out there and more homes -- like that that. Pacman back in the day and this game replicate is just about the fastest thing to ever come out in any form of entertainment that -- for games."

" It certainly has the advantage of the halo games that look like for like halo is Xbox title. And really just have a critical threshold of number of sales and get simply because -- only -- Xbox users. -- PlayStation users and it got PC users so it instantly have like a big big advantage they're gunning for the top spot."

" Yeah who has some of these numbers I mean that yet over the over 300 million. But you know we -- hearing courses you're already that. Video -- we're gonna do we were already hurting courses like the end of the year it would mean it was like August July when traditionally don't have that these big game releases because of post. We're not having is being releases tilt it to the end of the year. Could this be you things Ross of these -- all time."

" Now. I think you the and about a position him well and I'm sure Austin tomorrow more for the real -- though Bob Walker I mean. Right so what's the big deal with this you know with the big hype on this game. Well -- and -- duty super popular what makes the headlines is the revenue is the cells and the controversy which I'm sure we'll get into. But what I think actually makes against a popular for some people who play it is the multiplayer blog illegally pay attention to. What we're gonna talk about which elements from the single player campaign -- played as a social experience that plant. As people played halo and even before that as a sport especially here creation there right now. -- each other up -- pick a side offensive faction and then with modern warfare the first. They introduced to all these point systems where you basically level up your character you get more abilities are meant the one -- there's an incentive to keep playing. And -- does get hooked on this and I know that the game as -- about a week at. Having been out for three days and we are seeing reports of people minority played for 24 hours they found -- hours opener of their life they devote to Ottawa for. They're just. Online like that -- export."

" And the prestige package that he had done the it comes with these nifty night vision goggles which did you offer to model them for -- now -- I don't -- Can now look through them when they're actually working that vision goggles on with the proceeds it's you could have a lot of fun is if they they work -- And lo and behold I could see in the dark which he knows every little boy's -- but I don't think it'd be dream -- salute you look like this is when your. Cingular cents a copy and you know but yeah that may lead not not by made by top military -- I didn't know this is the finest Chinese plastic you'll find it did -- right jacks Pacific that's why didn't they made out on. And they have a line of -- vision goggles are right but that yet -- the pristine condition. President is escaping. Me right now but it's well in excess of the sixty dollar asking price for just the itself is even -- I think an eighty dollar hardened addition this is about that it's. The ultra -- hard in addition to the heart in the -- Nelson didn't know if you're really just looking at terms of hype and everything in other management worker has. It -- not -- as many copies of these sports which is bundled with the -- But the players who play it are much more hardcore about the of this really kind of hard core people -- he was technically it. And in terms just the news cycle in the news interest that really helps get people on the record saying things like this thing 24 straight out explaining it. Nobody -- 24 straight hours playing Wii Sports that is totally ludicrous they would be it. -- waste away they like I thought we had a rough as solar and charisma or the other thing we portfolios -- that."

" Yeah that's why I like I have my carpal tunnel as a result of all my tennis ball finally we tennis playing. -- just the ecosystem of you know that the live experience Xbox live with we've seen it recently. And really seen this update. -- the announcement of the update coming next week for for Xbox Live the experience of having no home. Theatre experience at home media center experience. I think is many things you can cram into an Xbox that's what we're getting -- FaceBook net."

" You know wolf certainly these are very powerful devices in the home and they really opened up a portal for. All kinds of of digital entertainment we've seen Netflix for example take multiplatform strategy appearing on. Blu-ray devices. And the integrated into television so. It's certainly one home where a lot of these services are our burgeoning but. Not always in the living room so while a lot of these content companies are really hedging their bets across the."

" And -- has said he's looking at some of the Xbox Live updates that are coming getting to play -- a few weeks ago. Really an exciting stuff being able to stream Netflix instantly. Not having to go to the super cute -- that information not having to jump into your instant Netflix queue on your computer -- jump back you can literally scan through the movies there and watch them instantly streaming HD. Equality is beautiful. On a device like."

" If you are good enough and there's -- I've had the new firmware for the Xbox is going live for everybody his dad had it for few weeks at least Microsoft supplied some folks in the early. And the good is that yes you can stream 1080 Ph.D. but the bad -- that. -- your direct application for the Xbox that tells you whether you have a fast enough connection and read what I did not fast enough connection would you do it has little about it -- Did what I preferred -- my councils play games so and apparently it took that."

" I think it's kind of cool because an Xbox light source first launch from the system can probably 2005 -- 2006 from the first came out there looking nothing. Like this and just technology wasn't -- we didn't have streaming Netflix we did have -- we did that FaceBook. It's really cool to see Microsoft -- correct approach to constantly upgrading it consciously trying to keep it up to date. With whatever's New -- put out there kept thinking service senate and they didn't do and that's kind of cool it's become a lot you know -- big much bigger part of life dispersal."

" You know in a story that I suggest you guys -- earlier but don't we can comment on this a little bit which is that Microsoft released a statement but in reacting to. Analysts' expectations. And sales for the month of October. That the Xbox-360 console is the hardware leader year over year unit sales and growth. And looked like Nintendo when he was through personal was a leader -- quite awhile that having you drop their price half the holiday season. What happens -- Sony Elvis."

" Well. I mean this -- you know Microsoft for that statement -- mean growth. The numbers NPD put out showed that Xbox was -- and -- the treatment counsel's correct. It was that we was the top and then the PS3 for the month of October and an Xbox 360s that that's of the little bit to spend -- saying that incredible growth. That they're going after and together -- is having some trouble but the PS3 is a system where practicing harder numbers. Going up and ways they hadn't before I -- the price dropped him."

" There's also -- I think he does most future proof Blake it's kind of a forward council that was a little bit ahead of its -- both in terms of price and what it's capable of doing. And other we're getting some decent kids six and some games instead of multi platform blockbuster -- seems -- two -- rocks. People are -- seek history is kind of a really forward looking -- the cultural."

" So Kevin golden rules of that video again of modern warfare -- have let's have the guys who spent some time -- Ross that he had a chance to play you. Not. An assessment quite a bit and Stephen we know -- probably been. Playing this for a couple days straight now helplessly sure I'm sure -- through what we're experiencing here from a gaming perspective."

" For the first persecuted is in the third level -- cliff hanger. You are private -- he'd been brought -- an elite military task force here in Russia. -- motion sensor heartbeat detector on the -- but basically big. Created a game and some of the development -- infinity ward is good that that runs like Michael Bay action movie kind of pace it right now it may look kind of -- said this is a bit of a -- sequence in this in this part of the game. Word you're just trying to keep. Sort of hidden in the storm. But everything's about the break -- a few seconds and things are going to be blowing up undergone snowmobiles being chased by helicopters and that's the problem Michael Bay market bond."

" And we saw that demo. Absolutely blown away by that -- this is really were seeing this trend in -- it's become a cinema experience even Sony has made jokes and they've done some of their commercials recently around this idea. Of this cinema experience with a girlfriend doesn't know that it's a game as if he's he's getting -- you'll play these games for powerful girlfriend thinks it's a movie unfolding."

" It's it's really cool to see that and I think it's most starkly look at the cut scenes because these days -- really little difference to cut seen anything quite. -- if you actually look at the original PlayStation things like Final -- VII the cut scenes look beautiful and get look at too but there's this huge kind of path between the nowadays it's so -- from coaching action that really speaks a lot to house an iMac did -- against themselves that's true I mean --"

" older games and you deceased that you had sit there and wait fortieth through the cinema scenes and you're just nice to drive me nuts member of having regular old lives of the PlayStation 2 X files game to -- game. I was like as you -- There's a good blending between it was I was eight interesting -- you know it was like a mystery unfolding as -- went along if you like X files and died but anyway I just remember that was standing out to me because these cinematic scenes from the thing just ended up dragging. On and on and on -- that I just wanna play his game I wanna you know I wanna be fox molder -- go out there and and you know. Go to the story line here. Mr. Fletcher about the weather watching Clinton in his report it and yeah this is my notices of mine. -- as nearly as good as this although I'm addicted to call of duty so. I've I've I've had been actually thrilled to get my hands on this game and be able to play. So final thoughts on this well obviously wanted to be thoughts and one of the controversies this week we can get into a little bit here which has been."

" The do the scene with the Russian terrorists in the airport scene right certainly was yeah to a shocking it's it's it's kind of unexpected on the -- if you weren't spoiled about what happens and I don't know we spoiler alert people. But come in in the game it's there's that scene where you're trying to kind of proved your terrorist bona -- is an undercover guy within this Russian terrorist group. -- part of proving that your AOK with the terrorist cut involves killing an extraordinary number of innocent people in a very very stark in this matter. And it's kind of something that is almost orchestrate just to create controversy to the feeling but -- never really seen anything like this and video game can -- and that means your video game. On the and you know they're getting punters in the obviously wanted to controversy in character -- it's crazy."

" people ask me about it how you feel about this and I'm sort of torn by because you've got the parental ratings on you know and videogame industry has gone to great -- tried to at least. Make parents aware of the did you know that the rating system and bring parents into the fold. But you know I -- you know for obvious big -- he got -- had no idea this was in the game. Found out only later through news reports such that this was in the game -- month though you know mom would get I get that game out of his system. This is a problem with. The rating system is that a problem with just so -- lack of acknowledgment about this type stuff material in the game and --"

" And I've never I've never -- Played -- video you have look at the box video gamer. It's in a movie trailer where they warn you will include scenes of terrorism you know no big labels things develop more specificity so I don't know that. The father you're talking about. -- expected to have been forewarned. But what he might have been subject to. Is the expectation civilians wouldn't go there and that's the thing was -- people is that by the -- would have not only -- terrorist massacre. But that you would be able to have you have the opportunity to participate in and if you -- And that. Would I think surprise any parent and -- spread any player if you add them to spoil YouTube -- how -- you. What the game does do though is it warns you when you first booted up that there's going to be something in the game that's offensive that you might find offensive. We won't penalize you if you skip -- you can skip the excellence -- you -- it is. So I think there are going to be people we're gonna get through it and there and well I don't. Want any part of this -- I don't wanna play I don't think anybody's guess -- because if you press the button like don't know what is your curiosities. Only a matter curiosity like what's the above what's the big deal you wanna you wanna see."

" Russ and -- your response from regaining perspective what we think this has to say about the rating system back and forth here I mean what's your sense of this. Well you know we've we've had oh a lot of issues around probable concern and parental control cross -- a range of media and -- ultimately. It's important to do research. You know clearly. Because like this you are are putting up information about what what can be expected in these kinds of products and inform parents should have -- that --"

" Is it because -- self. Regulation. Mean forgive me if I'm wrong but there's no video and it's not federally mandated that they do discredits itself not only incidentally never violated first it's their -- movies are movies -- either think yeah -- there's no but it is a standard through which they I -- itself itself standardize -- have to."

" And in general role content industry groups. Implement his rating systems and in an effort to avoid. Government. Regulation of these kinds of problems but there's two things by the -- one is that it's it's done in a way that's meant to make you feel sick it's it's doesn't glorify what you're doing and at the end of it isn't panicking and doing what happens but it. You can affiliate -- and it doesn't have a good job of not making it like a funding it's just gross and you it's meant to make you feel growth and does a good job that. And I think is the reason so shocking is because of what the media when you get it's it's it's -- video games so we've been raised or twenty years or thirty here's a video games. If you can't just -- it -- them as a product aimed at children. As sort of liquid essentially put a South -- for cartoons they kind of showed that yet just because you thought the meeting was for kids because they furcal still. And it's I think it's sort of like the Simpsons -- Problem for video games where -- kind of shows that the medium has grown up and its audience has grown up -- and that can do more than just be a --"

" Its interest -- because when we look at -- the movie industry. You know we can have we can you know have fun with Woody Harrelson beating the crap out of the zombies with the baseball that. And people -- to -- that ends up being like the winner at the box office the weekend and you could you couldn't. You could not get more violent and disgusting in that sort of experience and."

" It is because the insomnia baseball that three years I didn't like break and come I don't belong to protest yet we're doing -- so basic a good pirated if it doesn't feel at all like it's made. To be fun you doesn't feel -- when you play them and -- authority -- and you can't get a much more stringent rating and that they must give the equivalent of the pornographic rating. Four. For and against it to me and the ratings seems to signal that there's some tough stuff."

" I had a chance this few weeks -- sit down with. Super Mario Brothers creator Zelda creator -- donkey Kong creator Wii Fit. Co creator. Issue here on the amount so from Nintendo this kind of weird title I don't know that he has or a real title that -- he's he's he's he's there and when you're asked what sort of title he has I don't even know he knows what it is. It had -- sit down with them take a look at this will come back and talk about the new Super Mario Brothers for the week coming up with some. A did you have any idea when you're creating characters like Zelda and donkey Kong and Mario Brothers that they would have such a lasting legacy for families and children around the world. --"

" I don't really when I was younger I wanted to be a Japanese comic artist and at that time in Japan. Many of the more popular -- comic artists. Would have won individual character -- they would use across many different comments over a long period of time it's everybody would see that character and be very familiar with was there. A decision made by you to go back to the original way the Super Mario Brothers -- side scrolling screen going off. And it's addictive nature of the game when you're putting this out for the Nintendo Wii -- homeless. Mario is a is a game the character of seriousness of ball digital technologies involved. Each new generation of hardware reaching a new installments in the Mario franchise that takes advantage of we saw how Mario went from two -- afridi was Super Mario 64. And then -- again. -- with Super Mario galaxy but. With the launch of the Nintendo DS hardware one of the things that we wanted to do was try to bring -- experienced back to its original state. -- which was very simple they can. Control. It's very accessible to everybody what can families look forward to this holiday season in Super Mario Brothers -- him. -- particularly interesting about it -- is that with. The multiplayer buckland you can have somebody who is a very experienced Mario square and somebody who never played Mario game before and I'm playing the -- together. I've experienced player -- and visit -- in the game pick up. The less experienced player helped carry them through the level or get them over to political. -- obstacles. To the game is designed in a way that regardless of whether or not you've played a Mario game before. You can play together with anybody -- have a really great time doing it."

" And that is that -- new -- and -- see -- that this weekend on the show over and showing off Super Mario Brothers on fox opens this weekend. It was great about it is I mean I was super addicted. -- it almost from the start and playing it in it has an immersive experience being able to play with a group of four people together and be able to beat. Beat each other up back and forth or team up with them -- get through the levels. Stephen and you had a chance to play it -- early review of it. Thoughts you really like that."

" Yeah it's it's a lot of fun it's I mean there's certain something classic about that side scrolling Mario experience so it it plays really well. It's unfortunate that they haven't made an online unintended and -- good job with Mario Kart and their smash Brothers and -- respectively they're racing and they're fighting games folder Nintendo characters together. We've been playing on the couch together -- we don't plan right here. We play online and people can networked together I think it's an expectation on the gamers have in this game doesn't have that you have to be together. Took place that way it's fun when you do but it's unfortunate can all look up online it."

" Isn't it because of a limitation of the -- itself I -- I know me a -- himself has said that they pushed the -- the system to its absolute limits in making the Super Mario Brothers game for the -- is it is. It does it just have to do with the console itself."

" M and that's. His comment -- a little bit of a set -- for punchline and that that we -- just not in the same technology league. Terms of horsepower that's that's -- and it gets three and you know it does speak to the limitations of the of the Wii or the specificity you know to which they wanted a target -- Experience now and make it -- MM with mr. auriemma though it probably the same that you did the German media Torre is awesome really -- a kind of shocked to find that -- never actually seen wizard. With percentage which is about equivalent period he had never -- king -- there and yeah you'd think you'd like you know this guy made it hard core players the documentary about. People who looks so -- you you were announced yet but."

" There is no unfortunately the king of Kong as we talked quite a bit about that and we had actually there we had a copy of it which was given to on the road while -- there. And probably for my interview is simply got. Actually was given to a like tonight before but he hadn't receiving getting brought -- in and -- actually brought -- but it's not there's no Japanese translated version and I think the subtitles it's a weird. You know the sometime it's he had had a chance to see it so that a dvd or blue or. -- I believe that I don't know if by -- one so and watch it he left that behind at the tip via so I don't know it is this. I had thought that this would be one of the biggest games. Of the holiday season. What do you think expectations. They'll certainly be very."

" Proper look I don't think it's impossible impaired like one worker to you -- that -- what factors beyond partisan kind of enemy is going to affect -- this game. Charles -- that it says it's -- mean -- America of the European -- I don't know what is the latest. Do you support it once and you -- let you know you don't have to think you know entirely scriptwriter did you -- we're -- up arms embargo on the score yet cowardly you know from -- an -- the -- it just like that but the scope of those Hollywood -- kind of -- and Xbox games just so beyond what anything and we will cost especially -- best. And so they will make it -- them. Office they will sell a lot of copies of this and everybody and it can be very happy. Right this -- and direct sequel. To. Earlier this diplomatic table -- people are Brothers. At the weekend which is -- DS title came out about four years ago and we talked -- for -- before selling so well. Its successor to a game so they're killing capitalism the successor to a game and -- from our Brothers -- yes that's a twenty million copies worldwide so far so I mean. The market loves this kind and."

" Above what Ross was Steve was talk about the living room experience -- out of state for Nintendo not to have that -- experience. Client -- I think the company is certainly focused on on the gaming experience. Really. Looking to. Expand the audience happens to. That market her for casual gamers. Is clearly I had some some success -- that strategy and -- it doesn't necessarily have all the media and entertainment. Assets. To. Two to go to. To bring into this Sony and and Microsoft. -- They're depreciation. So final prediction is this for the for the holiday season we think this could be bigger than now modern warfare -- but. I."

" It seems doubtful because. -- order to successfully solves only platform is still on the wave and -- feels that. The shot topic is certainly if successful and hopefully for errors that's an -- that seemed. The it's a -- if finally before -- it from Nintendo. We had her what was the rumor about will not not having a Nintendo Wii HD. Shot those rumors down intended that this week is that what what was that about right that."

" Comes from -- that. Nintendo of America president Reggie -- and they gave. Two Jeff Skilling and -- me couple weeks ago. Asking about predictions that there'd be a Wii HD and points I actually met with mr. his -- and today couple hours ago. And asked him a little bit more about that and he said that you know -- there's nothing they can announce. But that is the problem with the expectation that are ready that the -- just gonna go to HD is that he said. That's not how we do things we don't just say okay this of the technology everybody else is doing so we're gonna do it. If and when we do something like that it's gonna have something new to it."

" I don't know what substance you can sort of glean from this behind him and I met with mr. -- moto I asked about future -- well and he made it clear that the next iteration of the Nintendo consul. Will have the motion capture and control of some sort and -- he said it would probably be smaller. Then the currently in cheaper or -- cost efficient probably new technology to be cheaper. But -- but it will still have motion capturing in some way but sincerely believe it backwards compatible that we if it's not directly. We HD you might have a -- in your name and and it the good thing."

" I was jump in its. Don't with Nintendo so we'll see some more that again on Sunday on FOX & Friends. Let's let's jump into -- on boxing here. Yeah I think that's. The schedule yet. -- the -- last night to Samsung announcing their be -- as to. Which is the new. Which is their new cell -- T-Mobile and it's running android. One point five. And it's got the cube. Very exciting very exciting to have the cube. Rolling it which is tells -- in the Q and countless shop. -- The -- is sort of and navigation -- you I would just has that you know you could expand your finger around on it. You can and navigate the -- or. Spin -- this way and then go to it -- video we can take that video Kevin if you want."

" I don't know. -- Very nice you know and what do you say such as -- certification magazine said it was the most pointless you lie -- ever seen before and I think you have probably an okay phone but I am apt to agree that there. You know it does have a nice screen Ross -- Which your impressions you know certainly one of -- large number of android devices we're seeing hitting in the fourth quarter and it's visually distinctive you know there is a lot being done -- I can see now on hand that's maybe novel. Well thought out. Some of them yeah. You know it -- I didn't have a problem with it I just have found it to be for full price that's industry points 200 point nine bucks. It's Morton shortcuts yet. I mean to position yourself right now is that a mistake. -- certainly been difficult for. And the enhancements above the 199 benchmark. Three -- Yeah I mean I don't know how you come -- phone that benchmark over 199 at this point 2292 year contract. Because how oh lead. It display -- Him. Does have a beautiful sea lions have some are leading the charge of bringing Pulitzer heavily -- they call -- two mobile devices it's really kind of cool to see them because. It was initially after the not to any other mobile devices it would certainly -- many phones do. From anybody other success but. --"

" Let's just a gaming angle of -- ridiculous but I'm thinking -- that might be bad for gamblers -- just. Okay I'll tell you why they're going -- application on it and dice again we'll that it that it transformer when -- twice that era -- I think that he had."

" Could put an accomplished. It is so much enjoyed going on right now it's -- it's hard to distinguish itself the problem. Yeah I mean talking is that talking into a developer last week any one in the big problem right now is that differentiation and market -- fragmentation in the market and how do you. They're they're still waiting for that definitive definitive android device to be able to develop for and that's gotta be problematic for -- developers I would think if they're trying to wait. You know its effects talk and -- the last thing he was saying you know having. Opening up he's working -- com android running on one phone same applications and -- and another android -- that won't work. We'll crashing all the time right on another I mean that's I think you've probably -- it really calls into question the value of having a licensed operating system across multiple platforms. But that's developer needs twenty different phones -- that they got a picture doesn't crash that's -- Yeah. Some by Google Chrome OS we could hear next week we rumors of the operating system. From Google finally dropping next week we heard about a Mac and finally do you Google. Chrome browser for Mac coming in December which I've been waiting for. What should be exciting. As -- use that on PC's right now I absolutely love and speed of that browsers. I. Next I mean on a PC I don't think there's anything come close. -- and now -- and you know I've met I mean I know them several of them have read since. The one point oh and you know they they have different JavaScript. Yeah engines Apple's claim superiority you with -- aren't responsible for the jobs across his -- really close together you can find huge differences in some browsers. You know having well some variety with visuals -- a did you or did you see by the way that today Dolly Parton the campaign is now endorsing has endorsed Internet Explorer eight -- know it. Well that's -- resolution from what I -- was anytime you have somebody like that comes out and endorses. Something like that. You know Internet Explorer it the only person that would come out like that and in -- in and explored someone who never use if I hit I can imagine like. Dolly pardon sitting there surfing all the time -- that the -- look -- the effect that. -- would only from. -- There's so yeah let's talk about Google Chrome OS. From -- I don't know how many you gamers you talked to who might be excited for being able to develop on different operating system like that be able utilized. Have you. What sort of area from of the union perspective are you hearing about any excitement there now."

" Not not not really hear much about that I mean. You know. When you when you're talking -- your focus more on the application -- already so. In terms of working off the -- I'm not securing -- indie developers are super excited about it but I could I could -- so when we expect in is this true I mean who knows a week from now we could be hearing. Over you know regardless when it ships and and in terms of native apps in general. I think that there is conflict that -- risks setting up with android because they've. They've had these developer tools out there for android and -- with chrome isn't going to be more -- so I think it's tough to be. Trying to court developers for android when you're doing something different with your desktop operating system it really fragments. The platform in a way that certainly apple and Microsoft -- trying to move away with."

" Didn't really -- I don't know if they are playing in this does that make it -- compatible android and really -- they can make it so. If you're injured mobile application for whatever reason you -- run on your desktop it's really east of -- between two. And can you emulate -- somewhere run -- programs that's kind of -- It -- like a really cool and I think. Possibility between your phone -- but they're -- they're doing that."

" Yeah. I think it's adjusting to be able to move I mean as Google is keeps wanting to move the quality to bring a great point. You know and even my dad today this -- talk is money is office says the real soon office saying. Guessing why would you wanna live in the cloud why would you -- hands and my dad still doesn't understand that outlook is not. An email client it's an application that aggregates email he thinks that. This is separation whose -- are people understanding that you guys ran numbers -- recently didn't you on this looking at. Moving towards the cloud -- my wrong about that. No rebel well I thought I thought -- there was numbers Ron it would be from you guys have."

" But -- there's an uncomfortable idea grade -- the cloud in the net. That was one of the things people are talking about more early in the year when in in development conference the service on live. Announce their existence they've been an incubation for seven years working on this. And saying you know proposing a model where gains would be on -- anymore it wouldn't be it or they could but that's -- how you get them instead. He'd be getting a bit extreme Q it goes back to the Brundtland broad bent pipe with connections when you actually have -- And we got a lot of mixed response from her ears of those who were comfortable at the idea that they wouldn't actually have their games anymore. Versus those -- seem -- like the portability idea give their games could be with camera."

" Let's talk about some other numbers and -- this week from apple. To mentioning surprising numbers of course the big hoopla over the apple store opening on Broadway -- got national attention which typically doesn't happen for a major apple store other apple store launches but this is a big deal. Yeah this is the first time they've done glass -- On the on an apple store as -- you needed more Wonka. And -- and I. And I go through the glass and giant glass elevator and it alone and actually they don't have one in this when they just have to -- well now today announced -- first hail storm -- It's we've we've got a chance you have. Whether it was that they ultimately isn't -- there's quite an -- there it is a big. Paul Light space. And they -- all the apple products on on the top floor all the accessories below so with somewhat different way out than we've seen. In other apple stores but really the interesting thing that was a discussion by. Ron Johnson asked if you retail about changes are going to make going forward in terms of larger stores with with larger genius bars -- there you know -- Because they've just had tremendous success. They have. You guys put on numbers. For C Mac -- account for less than 20% of the US retail market. According -- you guys but nearly 90% of the 100 -- 1000 plus segment. And they really don't want to they've been fighting this mean they really don't want to drop their prices that it's you know it's it's it's really a holistic puzzle and it'll joints together and humid day. What were to launch low price low margin -- books they don't have the the profit margins that they need to invest in things like marble and glass. Apple stores which attract consumers have to -- More you know expensive macintoshes so at all at all -- I have refused to work at the -- apple store and when they first built its. She told me what each one of the suspect's bullets that are -- and I can't because -- and -- bundle this summer but for the next forty grand per stuff. -- And indeed it is so -- thousand -- notebooks. And you did say we're talking about the the experience and you walk in and have -- three tables wide. Is that -- the city wanted him to to -- through with the thinking there. Just well for one their their product line is expanding. So they talked about how. -- in the first apple store the you know was before the iPod it was before the iPhone they had just. Much smaller product portfolio. They still want it. Lots of room to show off what they had now they just want you know they wanna accommodate things like a 27 inch -- you know -- Nice big screen and and they want more space for things like genius bars and one on one sessions as a lot of community being driven. That that they're trying to drive in the stores and apple store space is extremely coveted by third party accessory makers extremists from the coveted. And having more of it is extremely bad apple because they can upon all -- incredible. The amount per square foot blew me away the amount. Of sales they make per square foot and made her one foot that him -- So sure that we have -- microphone adjustment issue in a wardrobe malfunction. -- To per square footage blows every other retailer away. Across the board that her foot. I think date. What did you do there there it -- that there the size of of an Abercrombie or you know one of these smaller clothing stores but they're bringing in the revenue of an anchor store like like a Macy's. Into the mall so. It's ridiculous yeah because I mean it's again because of those margins. Model and the high revenue you know the high of share price per per item prosecutors more expensive than pretty or jeans right."

" Yeah I will -- yeah I think. Yes and have incredible incredible retail numbers. And they got a little bit of the Diego on Microsoft when asked about opening these Microsoft stores. Which was you know what do you expect. And I think response was well thanks have a ten year -- snow yes. Yeah they certainly have that and whether or not this is though the question for Microsoft what -- they they do in those stores. You know they don't have a lot of hardware to show off. That apple does they have -- they have. The Xbox. Is gonna be larger gaming section in the newsroom what do what we have the one store launch was -- to one -- a few weeks ago oracle. I think they've they certainly want to at least one yeah -- is Arizona the Arizona and Lincoln -- and -- mission our. California. He had thought -- was on the when it was launching but from a gaming perspective. -- you talk to any Microsoft people about the natives they're gaining strategy in those."

" I haven't they haven't -- that yet so these -- think that they are really trying to send us and -- should perhaps because it is so. You know narrowly -- and it's going there but. There that's actually something -- interest -- to see how it develops in terms of gaming centric stories starts with gaming space and then this. He DC to -- sections of a lot of other retailers spanning. It's something that. In addition to see and -- I'm wondering if apple told you anything about if they're all gonna. Put a focus on -- embarrassment embarrassed about their gaming. Except for the amount yeah -- have an iPhone if they're present gaming in any improved way and their stores but like -- in the city got. The Nintendo world store just -- fully gaining steam in a retailer. They're immigrant store yeah Nintendo and -- is -- usual but I would expect that Xbox eventually have a large --"

" 11 thing that they did address with that they're not calling their larger stores on Apple's not pulling its largest stores. Flagship stores you know the way that Nokia. Have launch opened a few of these. They call them there -- significant stores because they're also there greatest revenue producing. Stores so. These just haven't been isolated. Retail outlets to showcase the variety of products they are. You know serious revenue generating machine -- the other stories are there insignificant. That in the case standard and Andy has been."

" You -- a good point -- about apple and sort of being perhaps a little embarrassed by the success of gaming on the iPod Touch in the iPhone platform because we heard an -- was last week -- that come from. I can't remember where that interview came from early."

" Within we -- you warning oh we had an in this manipulated thing but -- percent there editor Eric Tucker are our boss model. Did an interview with John Carmichael co creator of him and it its offer products company -- aggressive about. Creating apps gaming apps for the iPhone name port a number of -- Wolfenstein. On -- on -- the platform. And Brian's interview with -- Week and then again -- this week he's talking about the fact they said I think Apple's lowest bit uncomfortable. Being -- narrow -- there's there's an awkwardness about it they did and one of their recent big company you know. Dog and pony shows show all of the apps -- you know sign showing them compare this to. Images of all the DS is speaking out there -- sent look look at how far we've comments that -- a time but. They still don't really but the gaming."

" Especially not on there under desktop platform I mean it its its historical historically. You know it was over fifteen years ago trying to get a good game for Mac it's very very very typical of halo is coming on point that was I have -- and it looks appointed -- one point that's. -- Missed was on the Mac and hopefully the coolest thing in -- Mac and and -- there was nothing else for an episcopal CD-ROM effective immediately. And it can give up on the Mac is -- platform for a very very long time. And then they commit it reemerged a couple years ago Anderson ups for a their keynote a couple of things but this is huge gap wind you know -- from the kind of -- acting success that."

" We have somebody rodents and I I do remember in fact. Some -- I do remember that PSP and PS2 X files game. Thank you did everything but tonight it's my boys and that game as of every human variant -- actually love that game thank you run on track it's awesome. That the voices that they the company and yeah they have they did all the voices for through Tuesday happening saying that they -- that. I had a chance also the other night to. And by Tuesday that -- obviously take a look at the new V phone. From say yes sages stages it's nobody knows he was out of the blue had no idea what this phone was. We have some video of -- a shot it's running android 2.0 the keyboard I must say actually looks better than. Detroit take a listen I think we have audio."

" And a video calling -- those and saying the video -- video -- calling takes him. Kicking off three times is a much bandwidth is a typical phone call how much power. The question. Didn't I mean it's -- collapse I know I knew anybody who's betting is this a different hour and a half using the -- problem is so the some -- the other ones have that capability but. You have that other person has to have that phone."

" But the technology never really took off in America it's huge here it's been huge in Europe for a long time and part of it is cultural I suppose like. There's this perception whether certain other Americans are interested in having to put pants on -- make phone call. As -- part of it up also roughly but the because when I can if that the networks America with -- handle it com. And so it's really interesting about this problem is that they're claiming they can you catch -- has a video calling over the existing 2.5 chiefs in the network at my knowledge no other phone can do that they've also found some technical technical work around. Make the existing networks did something that previously couldn't do was not very well -- or the primary could be really lower the frame rate would be really -- And dumb and it's of it's also it's -- of -- the company had ever heard of and they are Bryson. Yeah I mean. Is that some OEM for something else I don't know but -- that's kind of out of the -- you see these things all time and it on a carrier deal but they're clinical and Verizon which -- for them."

" I knew it looks like Detroit if only with a better keyboard. And an extra camera ever sent extra camera and forward facing camera so -- to see what they do after probably at -- a little -- before that you know from -- so interesting stuff. Kind of caught us all by surprise the other night but think how to cause all of us prize the other night. -- unveiled event was taking a look at the new bill HD MZ no. You know the you know the -- eczema. -- you know it's like a Mac mini. Basically everyone's calling it ABC Dell has -- a Mac mini but a little -- like a home theater. All these face -- on the top -- removable -- put pink on their blew on there which I don't get in myself because they sit in a constant. At home if you hide -- you wanna --"

" Living underneath for the third time after a sudden yeah ten dollars extra for -- really played pretty yeah. What your presence -- I and what -- trying to do here is really I mean we've seen a lot of small form factor -- he's in the past. They're really trying to get desktop quality components. In a very small. Very small form factor so more powerful process are. More powerful graphics. And and some degree -- as HDMI. And so you know anyone who's looking to conserve space or perhaps uses is kind of -- home theater PC it really doesn't have. A lot of cable card capabilities or anything like that but you know if you wanna use -- war or other Internet based media center kinds of content. That that as part of the market they're going for."

" Yeah I mean in this in this home theatre experience that the companies seem to be gravitating towards. You know with. Did you -- number of was the number of USB ports on the back it's too on the back to -- from two on the back to on the wounds here what else was. Yeah and you've got has -- which is interesting because the the Mac mini doesn't have HDMI reference. -- which -- surprising. Running windows seven. Although because apple has the apple TV. Product for true. True -- the licensing of course in fact HDMI licensing people within the other night as well and that's a problem HDMI licensing which is too it's like two dollars for licensing fees for product isn't -- Per unit. For per product so. Why would they wanna spend that money why wouldn't apple just live with -- display port technology and which -- now been moved to be standardized that. Why would they need to spend that kind of money. On right about there yeah report. Now it its other product itself perhaps the source of this about a person it's certainly -- The settle a satiric because the front page of the USA DA today had that -- TV. Story. That finally looks like we could be moving towards a web TV experience we've seen -- before with -- TV was never went anywhere. We've seen in who did the deal with the Yahoo! widgets in now what TV is that the number of them yeah Samsung. -- License the Yahoo! yeah form. That really -- still. Not really something I'm excited it down. But now finally would be to move towards Xbox Live having the home theatre experience -- with -- big update coming next week and then. Few weeks later -- even bigger updates coming. Can we finally have -- TV."

" Whole lot has changed since web TV was introduced -- you more than ten years ago. The you know that the networks are a lot faster. The TVs themselves are much higher resolution. And and display progressive graphics what -- Better suited to Internet content. And of course has been a reason to have the -- on TV which has been video an explosion of TV shows now available. For viewing on the TV that opens up a lot of questions in terms of how. Cable companies are going to deal with -- compete with that also this week we saw. The Comcast's announcement about TV everywhere. Looking to open that up to. Its subscribers but. You know some of those sites will use flash -- the forthcoming. Html five standards but. There are now compelling reasons to have Internet content on the --"

" It's still early try to generalize is gone and that it's gonna be it's it's it's the different paradigm than when web. He -- them because it back then you're watching -- cable TV which also lets you surf the web under TV now particular video delivered over the Pataki -- And I think he was like a mythical. Unicorn back at an independent and today the connections are there to technology's there -- have -- work. And that's what it's an effort to -- idea that you get the video delivered over the -- and you could before it was like. Qualities you know web pages like your TT."

" What's happened in the -- right from the web TV now is that Nvidia has. Ceased being so much the domain -- just television so. While there may be more web to your TV these days there's also -- TV to a -- to your web -- in computer and I mean I find myself. Watching television one more on my laptop because that's right -- officially get it on demand. And even that you mention the saved him the Xbox-360 services there. Already doing things were able to bring some of the content you've taken down through your Xbox-360. On to -- and portable. Sony has tried various strategies that allowing you to transport content that you downloaded through PS3 to PSPs so. You're having this portable screens and lot of people consuming. What used to be on -- can be. On their portables so I wonder how much if that was all conveniently accessible through the TV people would -- back to the TV perfect summer's -- kind of already moving away from them by."

" Says the placed a lot it's all secret -- full diagnostic of what's going on like that the wall between TT and Internet is slowly crumbling down very quickly crumbling down in fact. And it almost doesn't matter where you're watching it or even how you're getting it whether it's -- official cable connection or heard it and activated -- people won't even though but -- it's still needs to be."

" Easy to do and right now it's not it's not entirely that easy. Yeah and you know we're seeing even new companies coming in trying to. -- with the navigation. All of this explosion in content really home in what we'll have. A number of different ways you have. Website -- quicker dot com for example that is. Trying to act as kind of a TV guide to four on line video. You have the startup -- TV which has a little track pad like controller for navigating why do. Array of content on on television. So. You know there there is an abundance of -- how do you find it. And and how do you get it personalized for you is this really the question."

" Yeah meant to say the experienced last night I have the -- desktop client. On my Mac which I just have it connected through you know to decide right here gonna run it. Right to my TV through any display port through HDMI. And with The Who desktop client -- usable -- controller flip through. And watch content that way and it's you posted -- last night I've used it quite a bit but I just thinking -- has those good keeps growing through some random shows you watch an old science fiction -- time tunnel. That was jumping over to paranormal state and I was jumping back and forth all the stuff -- was in my Q. -- this is great and it looks fantastic. You know and I just have your basic Time Warner connection. I'm not paying for boosted speeds or anything like that. But though if it could be that easy for my parents to do. They get a -- box and I don't have to come home and actually explain to them how to set it up and how to then go to your Netflix queue. If he becomes ubiquitous in a way that's easy for people. That's the only way perhaps it will become ubiquitous I think so. I don't know how box you -- I did added that this story. Box he finally getting a box that."

" Putting the box and box yeah he. Still what is this thing. Looks quite PC might with opponents in Sofia the -- obviously -- great and -- if you aggregate social networking service lets you take care. Hulu sort of in -- Netflix only other videos up and put on one program. And it's got a huge -- peaceful people."

" I love it I love -- the Boxee after the I phone is fantastic. We're playing that without the GD GT launch party and I hadn't had a chance to play with. -- being played it before it's beautiful -- come in December of social media enabled media senator. -- he has some other great news are also going to be getting to the dedicated hardware device soon it's in alpha Boxee. They're there I guess they're just they're they're platform runs on Mac Linux and windows systems but a dedicated device. They're saying. Could be far cheaper hardware option so 99 dollars maybe this standard now from a -- perspective is that where you might see a placing the market --"

" Now I I think it's gonna be more expensive than that -- really -- more hardware that's going to be thrown on it because. -- takes advantage of local storage I think it's going to be more of a PC like architecture they have run on apple TV in the past which is more of a PC like architecture. But you know they keep getting bumped off by apple -- our candidate so but it back on do we know I mean -- up -- duplicated I -- I -- I have post on how to get it back it takes some work around."

" And -- it's worth simulate. Again that he didn't run a cord from your you know you -- existing PC is. Yeah visceral box -- anymore that your perfect set top box right there. What else do we have to talk about this we oh -- this week pulling back on the re -- feature. Which was getting slammed by just about everyone I know and spoke to -- to a -- PC bang he was saying. Didn't like because you didn't have an option to edit being able to -- which there's what you wanna do people want to add their own color and content to it and it wasn't that option."

" You know I think I think you're coming up against some of the limitations of -- 140 character is. It's very difficult to comment on something without altering the original post and I think that's. What Twitter was was trying to preserve they're also trying to preserve compatibility with -- amounts. Which I think it's going to be struggle moving forward is -- they wanna take -- place."

" You have a feeling that PM in the whole reason give 140 character limited so every -- can work the text message. Have a feeling that's -- like six months left before hum they kind of realized that -- do it but he's using them well I I don't but but the clock so I do know one person -- But the idea is that they wanted to keep this viable for markets outside the US for developing markets they. They see the potential for this to become a way that that people communicate because that's the masses. Virtually universal."

" This week he TNT fired back. And Verizon over those ads we've seen a number of ads the there's a map for -- then -- Ad showing of course the red coverage from Verizon and in the blues scant coverage from Verizon. Eighteenth he said that that's not accurate those maps aren't accurate and that there is attacked much more coverage than that. This week -- we also saw Verizon not backing down and then coming out this misfit toys -- take a look at this."

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" So AT&T file filing a federal complaint basically saying that some reason ads from Verizon so blatantly false and misleading that we wanna set the record straight about eighteen he's wireless data coverage this -- hits them right in the sweet spot it's disingenuous though to imply that these things. It would be the toys with a square wheels as of this stuff. -- he's so clunky useless but other than AT and t.'s network -- completely disingenuous you know."

" Verizon's trying to get the message out there that the service on the device are -- to each other we saw sprint. Come out what that message to in the -- so you know it's important for three G phone."

" In the real problem isn't that they're they don't have an over if they put this is where they do have been over it sucks right so I think that's one of the blue areas and then I have my -- awkward fit that New York city's covered a little coverage if you had tried but betray his by the way."

" The a macho mentioned them and that that has this -- TV. Application which is another example television moving away from the traditional sat -- on to a mobile platform. -- in the -- TV platform. Well Stephen took -- from Kentucky dot com nice to see you -- get working on for the holidays here."

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