'Dangerous and Irresponsible'

" Well they're coming here and let's just say Rudy -- happen. Everybody on the heels of another summer like mastermind of nine elevenths Khalid Sheikh bombings and four alleged co conspirators. Are being brought back to New York to stand trial this out. Of what once was the World Trade Center attorney general Eric Holder and defending that decision today saying and I quote. They should be tried with their crimes occurred. And we're gonna be getting reaction from a nine elevenths family member in a moment someone who's not to have you with justices but first to Rudy Giuliani himself. In this exclusive -- the former New York City mayor was among the first responders to those September 11 attacks. It was a right now."

" when it I think this is a very dangerous decision and an irresponsible one. And one that is absolutely necessary. Meaning if actually take. Sheikh Mohammed Khalid Sheikh Mohammed couldn't be tried. Anywhere else but in New York then of course New York we handle it and do. New York is already a target for terrorists we announced that every day talk about it every day to add something unnecessary. To that makes no sense the president has made me I believe irresponsible decision. And finally this is an act of war. And one of the things I thought we learn from September -- Was that we were understated denial before September 11. We we went through this once before 1993 we had people terrorist attack the World Trade Center we did not recognize it as an act of war we tried them. In the southern district of New York. It did no good. We were attacked in Africa we were attacked those embassies in Africa we were tacked on the USS Cole and then we had the worst attack in our history. And I hope you praise from bad day on it would be the last Islamic terrorist attack in our history and it was not the last because. But we can go we had another Islamic terrorist attack on our soil. And why this administration has trouble figuring that out when the man yelled all -- bar. When he was murdering people as a former prosecutor. I find frighteningly. Incompetent."

" Obviously they must know wanted to -- even doing this on our soil and in New York is news going to be a provocative action. Sort of level alone. What is it because the they have they have elevated to a point of I believe irrationality. Process over safety. Mean there that this was a an act of war. By Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his co conspirators. They attacked us like Pearl Harbor. And this may be a different kind of enemy but it's just as dangerous just this insidious. And this should be treated as an act of war. President Bush recognized that we went through. A decade or so of not treating Islamic terrorism acts of war. Ben laden declared war on us and we can hear. We were the state of denial before September 11 except at least before September 11. The administrations that existed then didn't have the experience of September 11. But I believe -- September 11 happened Republican and Democrat would never go back to where we were before. In that foolish state of denial a nation that cannot face its enemies in the nation that's in danger. So when Eric Holder says he would probably be pursuing the death penalty. Does little to what did didn't you just think of the vagaries of the criminal justice system. I mean you're gonna have motions to dismiss the case you're gonna have motions for change of venue. I mean -- you wanna think of a place where you where you better than New York we couldn't get a fair trial for the people who attacked the World Trade Center. But it it was the biggest news story. Of the decade one of the biggest of the century. I had a case of much less publicity involving corruption. In New York City in 1986. But got so much publicity that venue had to be changed to Connecticut where I had to go try per per personal. That case got. 110 of the publicity that this case see it's very unlikely that New York would be able to -- what I anyway or criminal defense lawyers. Are going to have the obligation to try and get. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed a quick to. I don't think it could they also -- their obligation can also throw this out on a -- our target but what are they doing as soon they have they have. An obligation ethical obligation to raise every issue that requires United States government prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. If there is if it's a 5050 case he's supposed to get acquitted if there are mistakes that have been made. In the processing of this case by the government it is conceivable that evidence will be suppressed. It's even I don't believe will happen but it's not inconceivable the case to be thrown out. For pretty -- Friday what would throw it out I don't know I have no idea what they did. I have no idea how much a."

" I mean this would then become a case not so much about and -- would be. We'll talk about what he endured they get all right did that they -- they -- around right."

" What should be activists are gonna use this week that the states government is gonna try to put. Khalid Sheikh -- on trial the defense lawyers are gonna try to put the United States government on -- but they really going to be -- George Bush. Well being. He was the president of the United States. And I'll say this for President Bush he kept us safe from Islamic terrorist attack every day he was president. It only had there it always it always happy about looking at the table maybe somebody procedures he use maybe somebody should note. But it only happened after he left office. On our soil. And -- administration is still having difficult days later figuring out that this was an Islamic terrorist attack. That. Bin Laden has instructed people to carry out you list attacks. Like this on carried out it is right in their game plan. The almost almost attack on on fort judge are drawn. Was -- was a it was a it was it was such an attack not necessarily. Ordered but I've carried out in the name of the Jihad that's precisely what has funded it doesn't take a genius to figure that."

" So earliest when your successor. -- Michael Bloomberg says I support the Obama administration's. Decision to prosecute that Donovan terrorists here in New York. It's sitting at nine elevenths suspects face justice in the World Trade Center site. We're so many New Yorkers were murdered. --"

" I disagree with it it is fitting. At the 9/11 murderers. Be treated as war criminals. Because with an act of war this was not just another murder in the city of New York that your. This was an act of war and an act of terror they should be they should be prosecuted. They should be prosecuted and military tribunal. We would not have tried the people who attacked Pearl Harbor. In name in a civilian court in Hawaii. For what they did. And it's not just the danger that it brings to New York for unnecessary reasons again if if if that if this was the only option. And the mayor -- is right we should do to New York it is not the only option. There's a whole. Ideological political decision making behind why it's happening here. And believing in them but what -- that I mean is everybody's more concerned with what people can think of us what the rights of terror should be. And believe me in a criminal trial. The rights of terrorists. Are more important anything else I mean we we hit our criminal justice system is geared to lead guilty people go free. If there's any doubt. That's the way it is that the better better to have nine guilty go free than -- innocent person. Convicted. Very different situation when your war so what when we see all of these procedural problems and going to be created. Over the months and users that this could take. With these terrorist sitting here. I think we're gonna realize that this was a terrible terrible mistake."

" Leaving aside just the trial even happens here. You feared that this could also. Become a provocative event for those who was disheartened rights -- other words if he -- Get sentenced. And there might be some problems here and that you're on your target all over the way I would put it there are plenty of reasons why New York is a target over. Is just hides it and and and these things are are necessary and to some extent out of our control."

" Why take a risk within the other one. If you don't have to and explain to me why you have to when he could be tried as a war criminal in Guantanamo. Now and then what happened well if you're shutting down Guantanamo. Well that -- your left -- you right you'd look but you left other options out there and so now once that's a given but I know you don't agree. Then this becomes together."

" Well maybe shows you what that was very big mistake and and what happens. If the defense decides to make a motion for change of venue. To another part of the country. A judge can deny that -- brand. A judge can deny it you can go to trial you can get a conviction and an appeals court to decide it was Aaron we're gonna go through the whole thing all over again. A judge could decide that a lot of the evidence can't be used because it was obtained in a way that was. Shocking -- the conscience. A judge a judge could decide that the -- and what happens and out of them. That case and then listen all the evidence that you're presented to -- who may look like somebody's innocent actually guilty but but is it such said it's such suited. We like guilty hitting -- factor that that what happens that that -- the guy gets off track. What I mean it that it it has to be at least conceivable that there are quick otherwise you can't have a trial so funny I mean there's -- understood the little -- every fifteen -- acquitted. And -- at around it pretzels in Manhattan I don't know what you do think it's equivalent in. Presumably then the government would say. OJ but actually he's a terrorist that we can hold anyway. And what they let him out and try to send him to another company in this event data he's been exonerated if whatever. Goofy way of a legal system so he that is then his civilian lawyer who probably gonna volunteer to do this. And we had them all volunteer for these Guantanamo people anyway. They'll bring behaviors -- saying his government has no right to hold each and writ of habeas corpus no right to hold the body. There's no legal right to hold."

" You're saying what it. I don't think for us. I know what you're saying that terrorists could use on planes against us and now they would not in -- federal judges."

" Changes in general does is is cause we made the same mistake we made in 1993 we think they're criminals."

" These are soldiers in a war against us. And the rules of war should apply so when -- bonus well and you don't need to worry because that will be brought out. And if it that is the case -- these guys well. Will do the time ended he has his way."

" Get executed. Well. But the rules will apply to them other rules that we apply the civilians who were alleged to commit crimes. We should be applying the rules that apply to soldiers. In a war against us. Who are alleged to have committed crimes are acts against us they are not entitled to the protections that civilians yet again this would be like. Trying. The people who attacked us in Pearl Harbor. You know in Hawaii court. As opposed to dealing with them as. War warriors who were who were who were soldiers who have had to be tried and tried under those rules this is a very big mistake it is unnecessary to do it. But it part of a much bigger picture that goes back to the fact that we're not supposed to use the word war on terror."

" Who we think we're falling by that there won't let us --"

" I mean so what do you think their dying in and then these turtle that's his -- and they're looking analyst I think they're looking at it oh by having elevated political correctness. Having elevated what do people think of us."

" And having elevated concerns about offending. People in the Islamic community. I think we offend people in the Islamic community so condescending. As to think that decent. People of the Muslim religion can't distinguish between my saying that Islamic terrorism is evil and of Islamic religion is good religion. And anybody that's confused about that. Well that's a problem for them enough for me."

" But you're saying in the end. Not a New Yorkers on an already target. Yeah let's say just improved its its target potential for a reason that is avoidable. I am more than willing to accept I did when I was mayor I'll do it as a citizen -- New York any of the reasons that are necessary. I refuse to except when it's unnecessary. One that is a discretionary choice of political ideology. Which is -- buck has supposed to common sense. And a sensible application of the law."

" Do you think Eric Holder. Cares about anything's adjustment of three kids are nowhere. He's a good man I'm -- cares about all of this I think this is the application of a political ideology. Which is now overcoming what I regard as common sense and decision and this is -- prevailing wanted to do from the top guy down. Absolutely I think recover from the top actual. I mean. It began by telling us we can't describe this as the war a war on terror. That the failure to use the word Islamic extremism. The failure immediately -- now. The -- attack. What's for the same reason. As the attack on September 11 as the attack in 1990s. As the attack on the Cole coming out of the same movement Islamic terrorism. That should be distinguish at every point. From honest decent Muslims I was the first one. Long before Barack Obama was ever think about running for office when this city was attacked. In 1990s it in in 2001 I was the first one to go on television tonight. And say I don't wanna see a reaction against decent Arabs and Muslims but they have no partners. But I also wanna see a source close our eyes to the fact that this is Islamic terrorism that's what it is if we do it. If we are in denial we're gonna put ourselves in greater danger and we're gonna have more casualties. I think -- and they give regionally on."