Krohn to the Bone

" Of wonderful young and Jonathan -- and our friend mr. Lugar has just joined us hi Jonathan how are you. I'm gonna find myself I agree with everything I see you look like you get -- little can even felt that. I think I can jump in here but I certainly be a chance to I'm just this morning by Ellis Henican and David Webb of my thinking about that that. And I think at that point here in the strategy room. Jonathan I give her thoughts. Is kind of the next generation. Young Republicans if you will. There are moderates in your party who feel like god there's no room for them. Where they go versus the conservatives like if Sarah -- with appearing."

" I think first and foremost there are places for moderates in the party. I mean there are certain places where the republic whether Republican Party has talent open primaries. And conservatives who have lost -- to more. And that's fine that's how the party system works. But I don't think we need to alienate either conservatives or moderates from the party if we do that we automatically give vote for the Democrat party that's just how the party system works once again. So he really need to make sure that you don't try to alienate consider Republican Party and the conservative movement within the Republican Party into its own little section. That's not how we need to run things you can not like Lynn and nobody's won on the third party you won't somebody collapse but the majority of the individuals. And in a general election cannot win on the third party it needs to be run on a -- on a two party system. Keep going but make sure that becomes more conservative if you -- conserve enough do what you can there are because I'm."

" I would say this having lived in Minnesota you talk about third parties Jesse Ventura. Part of the time that I live in that stage. Was governor but it didn't translate beyond that Jonathan and I can see exactly if it's a lot of people that kind of taking it and it's like well that's almost too many choices for that I haven't I have a question."

" About then this goes to the point he just made. You mentioned becoming more conservative do you define do you split the difference between social conservatism. And all the forms of conservatism."

" Sure I see here's the problem that's common to the Republican Party. You have some people would say there's a pure conservatism. And there's an island here conservatism. And then there's this -- concern -- if that's not how the Republican Party they're going to be divergent after -- Republican Party. And the conservative movement that's just how it is I challenge a different views you have economic conservative view of social conservative view of -- seeing conservatives. You have -- a real conservative view of neo conservatives you have. Libertarians. You probably got to bear Republican Party and that's great because it diversity and you get divergent aspects in the debate. But you can."

" Just follow me follow the -- yeah I think you're actually right about -- no you join me. As saying it's really dull the considers to do things like drive us to go far ballot there -- go light -- light like David yeah. It's good to be me. Obviously I'm."

" I don't yeah. I'm gonna say. I don't think it's gone -- Obama was the best choice for the candidate. Because they didn't have an open primary in New York that's just how they did it I was wrong. And Doug Coffman had a good chance if he had been put up against lots of bobbled an open primary in new York and they didn't do that. -- and let the numbers were okay wait a minute -- I'm planning unit that desperately need urgent Doris."

" The numbers involved and -- Hoffman initially before the outside influences came and gave him seven to 10%. And win this fight started between its -- And off and was way in the mold when it came down to the primary as a symbol indicator of the difference in the two. It's Gaza thought the wind Hoffman when she dropped out and often got got the nod to go up in the final run. He did not even have a ground game ready to work in the district. This was an outside influence race and this is -- can I."

" You gotta understand. Is that the party had already endorsed Barack Obama by the time. Doug -- was making his big pushes I mean he was only 3% behind -- probably Newt Gingrich endorsed her and he said to Doug -- had no chance. I'm a big supporter of the speaker and I think he was licensing mapped -- moderates in the party we don't need to alienate them. But -- think the main problem was it Doug Hoffman had an opportunity. Lies and numerically. He actually was pretty close to counsel filed in the long run. I don't think that it isn't her why do you."

" As usual in the purges and why you drive everyone -- who lives in a 100%. Each who -- right wing though I really meant -- I. It's still and let me let me ask for a definite -- I never from your from your point of view from your point of veto them. You said. The party needs to be more conservative -- you say more socially conservative former conservative across the board. Because that's a key definition and that's the battling. That's the battle going out of the Republican Party right now where we have Shar-Pei Hannity and Coulter and the number of other people you know public faces of the not in the part of -- London based on these leaders gathered up the party leaders are public faces that speak for a lot of conservatives who I -- conservative. Not a Republican. And he says it clearly ought to show so what happens perceptual -- across the country and this is what's happening in states like manager okay. If they see conservatives and -- social only fashion the."

" I'm your -- yeah let. I think we need to do -- we need to -- winning to a Bob McDonald didn't Virginia as a party. We need to get to the solutions on the big issues that Americans are very interested and health care economics. Jobs. Those are the big issues that Americans are the most interested in when it comes to the polls and the -- Why didn't you mention health care why does -- that the Republicans waited so long to come up with the room who -- kids. There are always had. Eight pills before Nancy Pelosi came out with 80962. Others. Eight other else I asked battle -- you get your favorite defense and then my next question is whether public relations on -- If you know if I can't think 1100 Adam how come people that don't know about now how secure the mainstream media outlets yeah. Media. Sure I -- all over in certain areas if you had to go look for because the mainstream media wasn't very interested. In talking about Republican president."

" John another here's the reality the Republicans and you understand this I think David thinks this is smart politics but -- have they have fashioned themselves as the party you know right. Barack Obama was elected to do some stuff I."

" And updated it didn't police."

" Obama was elected guys could do some things I think you local approval of those things you don't like those things."

" But when he starts doing them if only -- to -- and there's no no no not a single vote for the stimulus not a single loafer for health care. They battled back -- that's not a good -- emblematic."

" As you know something that's very important in this though. If the answer the correct answer is no it is the right answer now to there always good widgets at -- question I mean to. Harris' -- to Harrison's question. About thing about all of the republic. Took to the Republican PR machine it failed miserably. The Republicans have had a horrible. PR machine I said -- you've heard me say it in this in this studio and before over the past year. If the Republicans put the bill put it out to the public if you can't get it through the committee in the house put out publicly say this is our solution. They have failed miserably do all right that going to change going forward and you see it. And while it it needs to change and I think slowly but surely we're seeing corrected."

" Are you see the GO KK -- Pelosi has said we were all waiting to see that the house version of the bill before it went for a vote. Remember what the president promised us that his 72 -- now. She said no way or even if it's happening to our through this is a chance for the GOP to stand up and say yeah there's something -- speaker of the house won't do we're gonna show you what we got and let that be word of mouth."

" Well I I think fit -- GOP trying to do that I mean like my friend and -- fellow Georgian representative Tom price. He came out with -- and an amazing bill a long time ago in opposition to the original HR 3200. But what happened was. Is when he tried to go on other opposing news media such as NBC CBS and ABC he would not get the same air time that. The big. Democrat -- was given so. I think that the problem is is that the."

" Born and it wasn't the bill and not -- you're our guy out of a lot on the wing and you think we should devote half the media and."

" that. No I don't think so I just think that. It needs it or going to give an odd for going to claim it's are especially if the main thing is gonna click that and non bias it needs to give. Equal all it needs to give some opportunity. To the opposition and there were eight bills you can have all the bills on the -- if you want creeping -- whichever one you want but couldn't but the mainstream media did a horrible job of applying those. And whatever other Republican Party and they did every time I heard Tom price. Or getting the -- or any conservative or any Republican gone on the on the air on one of the Sunday shows saying that to say we have alternatives. But the problem was is that they they did the media didn't really give them."

" Chance. Flickr fans confident is that for the longest time the Democrats didn't have a billionaire. I. -- I thought bias when I would watch it just kind of a hometown player occasionally even though I work in news I do still -- you are. I think -- I think we'll have a built right now this is earlier this summer and the power bill was the -- did it without there it wasn't being talked about again I have my question to see if maybe PR with the difficulty government bond. Will quickly if we can talk road ahead in the Senate for health care bill what do you think is gonna happen next with the health care Bill Johnson."

" Well I think it's gonna be hard it depends it all depends -- what people like Joe Lieberman have the deciding vote in this bill in the Senate. What he does end and it's Olympia -- and some of the more -- moderate Republicans actually end up. Jumping ship if they do within it looks like that it looks like the bill will pass in the united in the it looks like the Senate held in the Senate version will pass in the United States senate. However you've also got a couple of moderate Democrats here in there and you've got the independents like Joe Lieberman are the independent minded as well. Who. Have not truly committed either way. There's going to be a couple there's going to be a few weeks I before the Senate actually I think will go for its own vote. And it's going to be used up primarily I think for arm twisting in the offices of Harry Reid and Oval Office itself. So what we can see it looks right now what it's going to be a tough bill I don't think the Democrat to get the sixty votes. I think that a filibuster of most likely will occur. But the question is how long Republicans can hold out."

" I Terry will pass of writing this email. Not for the American people they are not doing health care on behalf of the American people they are doing it for their own political power and control of the united citizens. Thank you very much for your email -- and read the whole thing because it's -- a -- but I wanted to Democrats have been in there. It doesn't -- the book coming."

" I just finished for the -- it comes out -- stores February 23 and the title. Defining conservatism the principles that we'll take our country back. And it can be. It can be ordered on Amazon Barnes & Noble borders books a million. And just make a point in my book I really don't try to focus on one divergent aspect of conservatism. My goal in the book is to focus on basic philosophy that -- unites the conservative movement. And -- being able to use that to create solutions. And that's how Bob McDonnell one of Virginia and that's how Chris Christie won in New Jersey. Because people are tired of hearing simple ideologies coming out and that's all you talk about you can't do that. You can't win on that. People want working solutions. Bob McDonnell campaign on solutions. It would bring back jobs. We're cutting taxes on balancing the budget and Chris Christie campaigned on lowering taxes and has saying how the Democrats and Jon Corzine had done that in Virginia when they promised to lower property taxes. So I think of what they're Republican Party has -- is -- as has started to a great job this year. Eight during the -- during the Tuesday elections. I think what they did a great job of doing is they campaigned on that new GOP PR machine if you wanna use that example it created a new kind of campaign for the Republican Party to embrace. Where we campaign on the solutions and use that as our basic idea for the Republican Party."

" Interestingly Tuesday I was actually in Charlottesville Virginia the weekend before the elections that just you know what 48 hours before everybody went to vote."

" And I saw -- distinctive collision of and the ads on television their locally. And in -- Aside from all of the political things you just said one thing that really stuck out. In my mind about the Bob McDonald adds versus regained the Democrat in the race is that they were. We're not in very positive there almost motivation -- yeah exactly and and it wasn't so much what a political -- wasn't is that they made to feel good when you're and that's interesting point if if they're Republican Party and if that's the new PR. That that's right that becomes the good news Leyland I have to London."

" Right that is in the moderate argument -- made -- very and the problem is that -- conflicts with all the -- things going on in the party the driving should -- mountain. -- and -- Ellis. -- Secret encouraging to me reply it's -- mean you'll talk moderation but then you go around."

" I don't stayed on point when he has appointed you're good at that -- yeah so most -- you're good at it look. Want trying to drive the argument back to what fits in the Huffington Post world of the daily -- world of driving moderates out the fanning. -- Harris brought up the point of Virginia versus New Jersey. In Virginia you have -- mintel I cultural and tell -- a little different they tied closely to Washington DC. A referendum on the incumbent was more a referendum on. What the Democrats have not -- about a whole. And what -- scooter couldn't do. In New Jersey was a clear referendum on -- site which -- and then some twenty points yeah as somebody who's been involved in campaigns against Corzine since two. Six a more aware of this than three -- Say this because I live in New Jersey I would say -- people kind of understanding Saddam the independents really pulled John corner lot of Democrats who voted against John -- what in your -- voter. Reg guide that the story and hasn't been cutting up you talk hey. Yeah yeah yeah you guys wanna lose draw of the moderate your argument that. I knew that he might not know that hello Eric I don't -- the economy on our. Jonathan Jonathan pick a word owner -- and I got a second -- to finish -- later -- this is important. If you look at the key break outs in New Jersey then the Democrats didn't turn out in areas like Camden county New York -- six cal IQ there is. It was a referendum on the incumbent we're Democrats stayed home in Hudson County but. And whereas -- and some voted no way look at the -- are going to end Chris jagged wound up 5% of the votes in the end couldn't figure out due to be easier but he didn't have much of an effect as the men that we're just. The independent -- that we're shifting to -- it -- shifted back and again. 39 plot to 50% of what we're going to Kristy and -- the OK Jonathan your."

" I just make a point here. I think fit in in response to our friend over there who's saying that we wanted to drive the moderates out. I I you have to understand anybody in the party that wants to win but I agree you have to understand. Fit the majority of Americans are not conservatives. There's forty -- not vote -- recent Gallup poll -- only 40% of conservatives. And that they're more in the -- even more independents than there are liberals. So whoever wins of the independence when the election and the -- it but the -- it we did that."

" Virginia and New Jersey -- very different Jersey once again like are liking that and I'm a woman have to stop because we're gonna lose -- off the -- the satellite's gonna drop and I don't wanna haven't happened when you're in the middle of your sentence because I wanna be able to say thank you. And how much we adore you we -- have you back thank you so much Jonathan -- let's have returned fourteen. I cannot -- be turning fifteen in March and it's another day I don't let yours I don't celebrate mine anymore. I don't know I think we'll see you next time all right."