Reps. Van Hollen, Pence on 'FNS'

" And hello again from Fox News in Washington. We are following two major stories this Sunday we'll get to the deadly massacre at Fort Hood in a few minutes. But first late Saturday night the house approved its version of health care reform with just two votes to spare, by a margin of 220 to 215. Chief corespondent Washington correspondent Jim Angle has the story from Capitol Hill Jim."

" Hello Chris democratic leaders spent the last three days in furious behind the scenes negotiations. Because anti abortion Democrats were threatening to vote against the bill. Which would have killed it."

" Speaker Nancy Pelosi knew she wouldn't get any Republican support so she needed all forty of The Democrats who insist no federal money be spent on abortions. Bart Stupak of Michigan and Brad Ellsworth of Indiana among others refused to back down so Ms. Pelosi had no choice but to allow a vote on their amendment to permanently prohibit any federal funds for abortion. The speaker recognizes that members deserve the chance to vote their conscience and have their voices heard on this most important matter. But that angered abortion rights Democrats and risk losing their votes. To say at this that then ammendment -- -- wolf in sheep's clothes thing. clothing -- would understatement of a lifetime the lifetime. The amendment pass passed 240 -- 194 with one member voting present. Resident Obama went to Capitol Hill Saturday in hopes of persuading any wavering Democrats Democrats, though leaders said he changed no minds. Republicans -- had list of objections."

" It'll raise taxes. It's gonna raise insurance premiums for those who have insurance. Full of mandates and not enough, we're gonna cut Medicare."

" One member brought in his seven month old baby to complain about cost. Matty wants patient choice, he doesn't want his premiums to go up. Speaker Pelosi did not address the criticisms of new taxes but instead laid out the benefits in the most glowing -- of"

" No drop coverage if you're sick, no -- co pays for preventive care. There's a cap on what you pay them in there is no cap on benefits that you."

" recieve. Democrats won the day though just barely losing 39 democratic votes but winning one Republican."

" Now the action shifts to the Senate where a single bill has yet to emerge from majority leader Harry Reid it's clear any senate bill -- do -- will differ substantially from the house. Which means the two bodies we'll have to get together. And try to shape the bill both houses can embrace. Chris."

" Jim Angle reporting from the capitol Jim thanks for that. Joining us now to discuss the battle over health care reform nad to look ahead to the 2010 elections are two top members of the house house. Chris van Holland who was running his party's campaign for the next congress. And Republican Mike Pence the GOP's number three man in the house and congressman congressmen back to FOX News Sunday Sunday. Thanks Chris. -- Congressman Van what's. what's the that from from the vote last night, the the first time in history passing a major overhaul health care reform. But -- the only with -- and voting for -- and 39. it voting 39"

" Well the message is clear it's time to begin to fix what has been a broken health care system for millions of Americans. Between the years 2000-2008. we saw premiums -- for Americans during that period of time insurance company profits were over 400%. So we've had a great system for insurance companies they get to say no to you. Based on your preexisting condition they get to dig into the fine print of your insurance policy when you needed the most and say you're not covered. They've enjoyed antitrust exemption that we eliminated. So this is a message to the American people with time to bring down your cost which will allow more people to afford health insurance. Congressman Pence what's the message from last night and what about those Democrats from conservative districts who ended up voting for the bill. You gonna make them pay in the next election?"

" Chris I think the message from last night is that the Democrats didn't get the message in August or last Tuesday. Think -- from this past summer we saw the American people. Express overwhelming opposition to a government takeover of health care they attended town hall meetings. Rallies across the country. And then this last Tuesday mean the historic reversals that Democrats saw interest twelve months. In New Jersey and Virginia again was an effort by the American people to send a message this party that they're tired of the borrowing and spending the bailouts the takeovers. But last night on a narrow partisan vote the Democrats put their liberal big government agenda. ahead of the American people. Are you gonna go after those conservative Democrats moderate Democrats from Republican leaning district who voted for this bill? Well look I don't know if its about republicans. I think the American people are deeply frustrated with a liberal establishment in Washington DC the Nixon DC. The -- will Nancy Pelosi last night said. That they were answering the call of history Mike. I history. Well, you if the Democrats keep ignoring the American people their party's going to be history that he."

" Congressman van Holland like you first of all to respond to that but also. Yes you did pass a bill but the Senate is considering a very different bill with a very different public option and very different taxes and number -- of measures so. How much have you really moved the process forward. Well first just in response that the message from the last election was loud and clear the American people were tired of us pushing big issues under the rug. And not dealing with the major -- challenges. 2008 or 2009? I'm talking about 2008 election, the 2008 elections when present Obama in a larger majority went -- into the congress. You know with all due respect to Mike this party when President Bush and they had a lock on the congress they did nothing about these issues these rising cost, the fact insurance companies could essentially abuse Consumers they did nothing about it. And people buy back in 2008 said it's time to step up. on some of these issues and that's what we did last night. I would point out that in terms of the elections last Tuesday. There were only two races in the country where what we're doing in congress that the federal level was at the center of debate and those were the two congressional races. -- Both members of congress won. Both of them voted yes last night on health care reforms. How how about this question of the Senate the fact that the Senate bill was a very different bill very different public option. Very different on the taxes to pay for all of this. Well is as you well know this is just one step a very big step on a long journey and we're gonna have to -- work with whatever the Senate comes up with to reconcile. The differences. And we will I know the Senate's -- commited is moving ahead and we will put the pieces together as you know Harry Reid on the Senate. I'll also proposed a public option as part of the bill he intends. To bring the Senate floor again a voluntary option to try and hold insurance companies accountable I point out that. Consumers Union consumers reports those those reports that everybody looks that they endorsed this bill because they understand it will crucified and and I'm -- just as I think."

" This really illustrates the fact the Democrats didn't get the message. Republicans I mean let's let's be honest here you know I fought against members in my own party in these battles. Republicans doubled the national debt in the first six years of this decade. In the American people showed them the door and 2006 and again in 2008 but the Democrats took runaway federal spending under Republican control. And put it on steroids and the American people are tired of borrowing and spending the bailouts the takeovers and I think. I appreciate Chris. Pointing out congressional elections but the truth is a Republican. Running on a third party ballot almost beat the democratic candidate in New York. And when you look at New Jersey. The the president won New Jersey by 16%. Twelve months ago he won Virginia by seven. Percent twelve months ago Republicans won in a landslide in Virginia won narrowly in New Jersey. I'll stipulate Chris that that that all politics is local people vote on local issues in those races. But every single one of those voters are also Americans who were responding to the profound frustration with the"

" liberal establishment. -- Let me ask about another factor in all of us tonight as we learned on Friday that unemployment Is now 10.2% -- -- almost sixteen million Americans unemployed. Let me start with you congressman Van Hallan, can we afford a trillion dollar healthcare reform bill with would billions of dollars. In new taxes in new mandates. For small business we've got 10.2% -- -- unemployment. Well let me first point -- out -- in response to both what -- in your question that the Congressional Budget Office the nonpartisan. Congressional Budget Office who we've all been looking to. For the numbers. Looked at the bill to pass the house and said it reduces the deficit. Over ten year period by more than 100 billion dollars in fact it reduces the deficit over the period time. More than the alternative that the Republicans. Put on the floor and also reduces the deficit over the following ten year period. When it comes to health care and economics. One of the things we've got to do is make sure that we reduce the cost of health care they're eating businesses and individuals. And families alive. And so for our economic competitiveness. We've got to address this issue now with respect to the economy. When President Obama was sworn in as we all know the economy was in total collapse free-fall 700000. People lost their jobs in January. Last month we saw about a 150000. People. Lose their jobs. Unacceptable. We need to get the economy going forward again but we did see positive economic growth last quarter 3.5 percent. For first time a long time. -- Congressman Pence? Hundreds of billions of dollars in new taxes new mandates on small business is that what you want when you've got ten point 2% unemployment. Well the truth is you know when you're in a hole"

" Chris first -- stop digging. Chris is absolutely right. Economy was in shambles and this president came to power. They passed the so called stimulus bill that was nothing more than liberal wish list of spending priorities. That has now taken us from seven point 5% unemployment. To a heartbreaking. Ten point 2%. Unemployment nationally that it clear that the Democrats in Washington are still again ignoring the American people they're unwilling to reconsider. This approach today that they think we can borrow and spend and bail our way. Back to a growing economy that on top of this they drop a massive national energy tax that passed along party lines. But your point 729. Billion dollars in tax increases. Congressman Boren when his democratic colleagues said quote. The last thing you do in a recession is raise taxes and that's just what this health care bill does it was the wrong thing to do and the American people know."

" Gentlemen we're gonna have to cut it off there I want to thank you both for coming in congressmen. But then Holland congressman pence. Thanks for coming in it was a long day and night. On the house floor and does mean lots more to debate is this process continues forward please come back to thank."