Gadgets and Games: 11/06

" He everyone welcomed here Friday addition of gadgets and games on your host Clayton Morris. We've got a great show lined up for you today I don't wanna waste any time words undiscovered enough thirty gadgets right now we do some on boxing's we've got phones all over the place like Christmas morning here. First let's start on Skype and welcome our friend Jason -- he's the editor of MacWorld magazine. Various. -- Jason. What in the world. I Jason get a call back here hopefully get him a call back you can hear me an awful try to -- a love Skype. I'm next to him as -- an -- he is the editor in chief of laptop magazine mark nice to see you welcome as always sex makes -- question -- Michael Greenburg he's the vice president of strategy analysis that interpret LLC nice to see Michael taking. And a columnist of course at engadget. Would you how going to do that now by the year two it's been awhile now you know big action. It's like yeah it's like. So we're gonna dive into something they're taking on the US suburban housewives. And he reader that that Michael's talking about this week. And of course it down his left is infinitely Anthony canceling he's the founder and CEO Squarespace dot com making some big headlines this week -- see happening parents thanks iPhone apple finally released yet very exciting of course a big fan of Squarespace dot com and you guys -- finally get out the the iPhone -- what what's been the experience in the past few days since you guys released this I think it."

" Incredibly positive thing we which has to wait on rather than you know -- that a little bit too early so. You know -- 78 months that cycle which is a little bit longer but. Again it's this kind of our opinion that everyone's got -- and about that we might as well not even released something unless we think it's going to be spectacular -- and it really it's really slick interface coming up here a few minutes we'll show you some of the pictures of it should and in my experience gone back and forth being loses dump in a blog -- really easily won an on the go to that would. You wanna do not have to have a laptop with you do it right -- I think Jason is up and running hey Jason. I'm here come alive we we thought we have to do is just mind the fifth man if you -- some smoke signals EO of the Internet but you. That we like entering next. Why we've got a lot of them and you've -- so what we dive into the first all thrown -- them we've gotten each TC HD two. That Michael -- brings in and you wells assault by actually having hands on with Michael -- actual -- the Steelers have our -- ago. All right I'm gonna click through here and tell -- what we're looking at."

" This is a really beautiful black. So this is the Windows Mobile device that proves that Windows Mobile when it's in the right after it can be inquiry. Experience. Four point three inch capacitance touch screen multi touch one gigahertz now threaten -- sir this is not your father's Windows Mobile device. And it's writing he he seasons July. He could basically used this device which never ever see Windows Mobile even show up there. This is going to be huge -- received album you're not come in the US until next here. That's important it's the device that Microsoft refuses to acknowledge and why is that we were in -- we rather than Microsoft and recently we were all asking Robbie Bach. About the device. And CBC wanna -- over I think it's because they don't want that sales of potential cells when visible places it. I think that's part of it part of it is they're free to the -- to support the US -- talking that he European device. The problem that he had. Microsoft. Is everyone knows this place everyone knows that it's in going to be the Windows Mobile device that does. And -- much wouldn't work to stop treating all -- you know it. The response should be anyone who have four point three and capacities. Snapper in process through multi touch and go onstage with me. Yeah and anyone who doesn't have it well it's -- running age do you have of this European version when you go to London it's probably gonna work really really great right now you really wanna Wi-Fi but at two. The use with it but I think it's going to be pretty hot when it comes to the west. Early one and thing and I. But you know for everyone who think Windows Mobile cuts this is the device has no Windows Mobile -- the White House. Is really really. Frankly this is the first device that. Has that would be iPhone three G and here is -- Cover Flow in the ambulances from. -- Well after that. It's real performance. -- we native Twitter on this yeah he's he's he has need -- Twitter widget in addition to stocks and whether they're very big on some more information. Twitter apps available marketplace Microsoft given decent job get some good applications in there. They're doing what ever happened but it. Yeah and actively Gallic god can play. And you and we were looking at just the food on skills pretty nicely too so does not know games -- over weird right. We're beginning to figure out how to do this so they know I'm I'm like protect -- this week I think Microsoft's little underrated when it comes -- mobile strategy look at it -- that this. Think Google's get a little over hyped. Maybe a little bit on user enters segue into."

" Well yeah but there's some parallels between what he's he's he's doing for Windows Mobile what they're doing for android it's the fact that they're -- sustainable are very and very customizable. The lessons that I think is making an attractive to consumers it's not necessarily what's underneath you were just talking before we went on about how. He and Richard -- interface just looks like the -- you -- that we've all seen before I mean are you really important new features like free GPS. But if you look at the militant than G1. And then and the Motorola went side by side with the exception of how big screen -- resolution they look a lot alike it's what these TC is doing with devices like like this. You know what with their censor things that makes and -- more interest."

" What one here and expertise that is what it toward earth that you. -- deacons were -- you can't tell right what operating system. These wizards and what's your impression of these phone so what especially XT CST to just looking at it and in Detroit this week finally I have an ongoing. Conversation with."

" Well Michael about whether windows clone his dead or not. And he insists that it isn't an android is gonna kill it and this is this tolerance for example it's that you can use that as a platform as a phone maker and still make a good product that is the same classes somebody and right products in question is will people or will -- handwritten sort of Microsoft."

" If you what your thoughts -- you I'm just wondering what's driving the underlying adoption of these various platforms -- so they're pretty. Look good eighteen he's networks falling apart these I'll have a very different core fundamental. You know development platform behind it I'm wondering how that's gonna -- adoption -- that -- it's something that for example kills Nokia that. Nobody wants to develop for Symbian and my first question was you know how you develop for. For this phone. -- I wonder if I think that's -- to lead not only because it's appeared device but because we I'll probably I'm legacy permit. We're using Macs is an accident narron you know we want simplicity and there's more simplicity to the iPhone because of that harmony and platform that it is about a capacitance screen or something else."

" Well here's what you know the android -- For me at least with the android marketplace because it's open because it's gonna be on you know Google wants it on as many devices that they -- one of the things that we -- they said they were going to accomplish this year was having. Android on his many devices they could that's one of the things they've accomplished for the marketplace itself. Hasn't come a long an ecosystem isn't as though -- bald as the iTunes experience and apple experience. So while on the one hand I said this before and I think maybe the android marketplace. While its its greatest. Upside is also right now its greatest downside in my long."

" I think. -- part of the problem this is because the tribe about so many devices. And it's inconsistent you know I was looking for for game one of the few games and android as for the Arabs. Confined to marketplace and realize what of course not there as well Rhonda devices screen resolution is different. If you get an Archos Internet tablet that runs and we're getting get marketplace with friends that you can't have it as -- possible -- possible find. Asked for that yet so you basically get runs android but you don't get to scale and one of the things that Apple's done wisely is they kept. The screen resolution big -- the performance. So that I haven't regional iPhone. I can run pretty much any application that out there -- it requires -- specific. Apartment so it's a blessing and a curse right he had differentiation and can also call that same thing fragmentation. Writes that a lot of people when they first -- enjoyed it it from Motorola in their hands. Something we're finding that some applications we're not we're -- because they weren't scale for the higher resolution displays so I think it's really gonna get to ghoul. And its partners and the developer community to make sure that things work across all the different devices I mean Microsoft was right to me it's -- it's Eric Schmidt to the chagrin wanna make the things that Microsoft made a -- mobile they're making exactly the same thing if Microsoft had a fragment the platform -- multiple screen size that it architectures. People couldn't write apps because of the center -- what Microsoft now saying -- go forward. It's got touch screens and it's about you know being able to scale resolution independent -- you know expecting the following you know hardware controls on the device. Well that's great so now they're making something that's attractive offers and you're not creating this -- fragmented one. -- is consumer I don't know from going to be able to get into experience I might see -- work and we're experience by different android device. And now get a totally different experience because I'm running on different processor. I get a different marketplace -- good selection of applications yeah that doesn't spell success for -- controlling a lot of."

" nominees are -- by you know getting with the fragmentation but. But about the -- any doubt that they can for the lowest common denominator that -- it's just. Something wasn't working with the experiencing. What happened you know are not as good time LSI has -- and I can comment on the elapsed yeah weigh in on this and you really have this thing or FaceBook app for the pre yet. Through. It. I mean this home grew more there's a mobile -- the Prius I think it's good experience right I mean I think it's a really good out. I -- too good found that the problem is partially that it's sprint I think. And partially that it's trying to do what the iPhone does in the iPhone already does that pretty well and I'm not sure being a political games what what do you wouldn't -- I found. Well let's jump into that -- developer in -- and looking at like the iPhone experience you guys ruled out you were on your map rilya I think we selected that toughened -- we can do things that. You know actually that the releasing the -- seven and then holding yet but the way that things moving. Is the kind of you're kind of what we wanna never get enough. What we wanna we wanna do we will be able to build things like this and just -- excited about. And today scroll at its clunky I don't. This is no experience that aside I I can't get body."

" Let's take a look at your iPhone -- those guys Matthew in the Booth we have some photos of the Squarespace iPhone app which hold up this week. And you know you should -- the beta version a number of months ago right and be able look at this thing and get this experience. Being able to jump in and -- as an open blogging platform being able to post you know blog on the go Mobley drove a photo of something blog about it -- when we look back."

" I mean while this is these -- intensity out as you can see we kind of took we took the Squarespace look and feel imported that's the iPhone. Incentive kind of relying on native widgets and everything so I mean if you held that thing up your screen next -- they say consistent branding consistent feel everything -- everything slides right. It sound and getting that experience spot on is really what we wanted to do it again you know. We're we're not the first publishing platform this is the first iPhone app that lets you post pictures while your mobile but. We really want if you just take our time and make it the best instead of trying to rush something out there. And down again -- branding super consistent perfect. So that everyone you know so it's a clean -- you know clear unified experience that."

" I super important and you go to my blog to equate more stock comic posted moments after you -- yeah that I posted posted. My first experience with it and -- sleek yeah but you know it's we have two different stories here Jason. When you -- your experience this week and weighing in on some back and forth it was taking place. But first -- what was your experience for the app approval process and you know that's been some blowback of course."

" It also unhappy -- they've just a freaking horrible. And you know there was a long long period where it got delayed and then. It a really strange thing happened we submitted a long time ago and by the time it got approved we were like. 75%. Into the next version so we're lake. I was gonna wait then another five days to get that nice present then it's another month and it finally came out and now. You know we're in the app store the reviews are great I mean a lot of five star reviews I mean majority fast -- he's just really rare. But there's like two or three minor problems there we fixed it in an hour. Let's wait a week let's just wait a week to push that that was -- bug fixes it's it's just. It's horrible it's a horrible horrible thing for us especially once were already approved and we're pushing ever in these point releases that -- he's just small bugs and in those --"

" The -- it's a week. And what I've spoken to some people apple of course -- told me about the process can be completely arbitrary and ministers you know finds me innocent they have anonymity of course but given the process you might submit a map to the one particular person who's going to -- for approval process yet. And that person may have had a bad day or maybe looking for different things we might get approved by the -- he has reason that we had rejected."

" Initially because I'm sure our site preview icon we had an -- and they said. It looked too much like spotlight something. It looked identical to the CBS slugger frankly it was a belittle I mean all eyes look the same and it's a little icon of an -- And they rejected -- and will make. We just admitted back like a bunch of like images of other eyes that they don't own and they don't have a copyright ever that looked completely identical. And to another view and it's kind of got through. This is ridiculous and --"

" But don't think we're helping or policy. 100000 applications. Plots flows through it and -- and help -- out if they'll have to be looked -- and going through this percent processor. And yet people all people make mistakes they'll. Yen and this kind of inevitable and it's frustrating but something have to be working somewhere to some degree at. Because otherwise you get 1000 applications. Into your marketplace the then you know little over years it gets frustrating it's like -- eat eat eat you you know that it's going to be difficult you're gonna go through the process but the the upside to reward seems to be paying off Jason might have a different experience this week but it seems to have worked out. Jason take us through this story which was unfolding on Twitter this weekend with her with kind of funny."

" I had told you mean that I have got really mad on Twitter in this movie out of basically. We have an app that some book about BI found and we submitted it and it's called the act on super guy and and it was rejected it initially because we shouldn't use the name iPhone in the title. And also with a picture got them on our -- A -- to get rid of the economy icon and change it says something like super -- for iPhone. And it was really confusing because David Hogan a bunch of other authors have books about the iPhone that mentioned the iPhone and have it in their icon. And eventually got to the point where they -- let us put it in the store unless we didn't happen in the title and didn't happen in the icons or you'd be buying you know week with -- joke on Twitter was it's the MacWorld super guide about the device that we can't name that you're holding your hands right now. In the end what happened was like complain on Twitter and within two or somebody else that apple called me and said this is old and a misunderstanding if you're doing a book. You know we know you're not trying to sort of build an -- on our product name it supposed to get passed through but it. My question about that is we submitted it as a book and -- our our apple reviewer had no idea what the rules about a book word and when we would ask him about it and appealed to him and mentioned precedents. I was like talking to a brick wall. And that that is -- what Michael says apple has to check a hundred -- that's the thing they don't they could either let it be an honor system where you get pulled up the -- somebody complains you can -- they -- developer program where once you've proven that you're trusting -- your updates get automatically -- lots of things they can do to address this to to change the system because it's giving them a black guy did you look at Detroit that's from Verizon when it says I don't allow open development it's not talking about open source -- talking about. Apple's rejections because they're starting to permeate into these smart combined public."

" We've we've had a very similar kind of rejection now and it's it's not a code based projection. It's a policy rejection it's like yeah icon is too -- like it's like -- approval team is now legal department. Where is that should be far more opening should be you're okay into you've done something wrong and we wanna see you might. -- you know the other protections you might wanna put in place one you know code which is we need to protect you from putting trojans on people stunts were totally different totally different."

" It that you know what -- my favorite story about this is a guy named Mark Harmon who does a great app called instant paper. And he has a feature where you souls that phone. And and this -- tax schools want you told that it's really cool so we get an iconic shows. IPhone it's really kind of cartoon picture of a phone device 02 triple a titles -- you like people should know that what it's showing is an iPhone being tilted and yet. Apple wanted to rejected until it became something like that -- square something good to look what I -- which it just doesn't make any sense --"

" We did it take one quick break here Jason would still live down to as you know over the past few days we've had a number of different shootings around the country and -- this afternoon I feel Orlando and -- in Orlando right with America with -- lives. --"

" Feelings over him like we -- to -- it reminds me."

" You know I really wish I knew the motive -- our investigators are gonna be working around the clock to find out exactly why he would do what he did today. There's still a lot of details that we're gonna have to sort through and get confirmed and it is beginning haven't had talent even when it comes -- I'm -- former employees as well -- and we -- not identify the person dads -- but there is one confirms."

" For talent and your argument can on the newly named union kind of give us an overview one might transpire and you know at this point well."

" Around 11 o'clock today relieves even call and an active shooter at the facility now behind us our units responded as the -- said they arrive within a minute which is a very quick response. Of course their first concern is the preservation of life. And arrested those who may be injured they began a built in search of each of the floors there -- I believe his eighteenth floors within the Billiton."

" And we just trying to locate exactly."

" I welcome back here and that was the mayor of Orlando speaking there and letting us know that they have now -- looking for Jason Rodriguez forty year old is a former employee of that business opening fire there at the at the legion please. Com for the new facility just off by four right here lot of business people in town. Gearing up for the weekend and a lot of conventions of course come Orlando now and so the sixteen Storey building but they have caught the suspect. And of course we'll have much more on foxnews.com you can check in throughout the day. I was jump back into what we're talking about and final thoughts on that as we are talking on the iPhone experience in the app store experience it's true for wrap up. To Michael's point early in the 100000 apps that we've now seen in the store."

" It seems that it has been at times frustrating for developers but. The mom and daughter who roll and the apple store don't give a rat's behind its non issue about Jason's experience or Anthony's experience -- the end of the day. That apps in the store since it not and it's still a good experience in the sell my phone went crazy."

" And there's a 100000 other apps that they can't get that one. And the bottom line is you know you can't just haven't totally open situation that we had issue with Andrea laughs here. That didn't respect in -- room flatly turned off roaming -- respect -- its people got you know hundreds of dollars and thousands of dollars in roaming charges right and the response was well you know. It says the apps that you know they can control the network didn't you read those little geeky warnings to install that AM yeah of course consumers that we got stuff yes he wanted out approval process you want to maintain quality. No doubt it appears that some cases Apple's going over to -- certainly cases where it was you know for the rest of us absolutely hysterical thing. I think that's a great amusement this week you don't tell reduction and oh yeah acceptances like a love story via in the Romeo and -- right consumers. Yes I mean this is you know inside baseball you have to be like a killer wrap it got rejected that you can only get somewhere else and there's more to go over to -- smartly you know like. Real announced right after you get to see if -- were investigated by the way we have our."

" Out Brady to go in the store are waiting for Apple's approval yeah churn up -- three days later there. Well consumer experience is what's probably what do the folks over at peak are hoping will drive the experience of their new. Twitter peak. Device of course they mean waves last year with the peak email. Only device and WIRED Magazine I remember last year gave it one of their. One of their best of the year devices if you only want any -- you didn't wanna have to worry about -- service contract from the you know something else he could get it that he was like what nineteen bucks a month. To have that cheap I think -- and this is in now this is the Twitter peak. So it's a Twitter only device no Wi-Fi nationwide coverage. Been playing with that I mean it feels the exact same as the other. This is the device because it. The first quarter appliance that's the F order appliance. Who is this started as an analyst Michael and you look at who's gonna buy something like this who would buy. Twitter can just always you know that didn't -- really ripping this thing they'll love you by the way yeah I didn't did you write it just."

" things in order because you have to do polling has -- where you know. Number of readers and it was descriptive ports or like. It if you know what his motive was this isn't even the device that right consideration in my mom does not know when -- I don't know I think it's more of us want leverage their technology can cost them anything bill. There are leveraging -- with a brand which is super hot right now that to sell hold on to make money can be successful. And it's you know geared toward a weird audience someone -- sophisticated enough to -- social networking. But not sophisticated enough to you know have a Smartphone or even a cellphone you know although you know -- problems we're having -- So it's these device they're not gonna sell the super future now. But he's actually brought it got people talking down once again yeah -- leveraging off the -- you know you've got twit logo on there obviously it worked closely with -- folks for this type of thing. A year ago it would have been no point. A year from now it'll probably would be irrelevant. So -- holiday. For people we're discovering equator don't have cellphones but it's -- what -- what this costs. The end years now I think it's big question and it's hundred dollars that was --"

" then jump -- here well yeah. You might as well tags all over him like you know he's a 199 dollars well that's -- that's. Oh sorry that's it yet if you get it on Amazon right now 99 dollars 795 monthly service -- is when you hear from the consumer that's that I don't want hey eighteen into your Verizon you know. 3040 bucks a month via wireless access. When they go get the device and all the Twitter could ever used for the rest of my -- how many people who know about twitters that are interested in it. Don't have this phone that can handle -- and it's not a Smartphones right now and there was a Verizon and not long ago that said you you know. We now have apps right when they're trying to chase apple before they had phones -- the you know and you can get a feature phones like the Samsung. In any number of Samsung or whatever that have Twitter as an act so it's not limited to Smartphones so I think it's -- Jason when he jump in on this we figure this. And RI -- would I would curtain."

" Heard on this what at least not for us right it's not for us and and when you see. Twitter. Online and you have T he had sitting on billboards and things like about it you know we're not the only one seeing that the mainstream public my mom is seeing I'm going what is this Twitter and I think that's you know that's part of the market here it's like Huckabee -- unintelligible. Hey I -- we get visas for -- what we're good at the end of what you were have you talking we get the mobile Skype speed up for a few seconds so little we have you speeding up. Yeah the Internet yeah I love it up anyway but no good good point and I think again I mean you know -- yeah."

" And it's clearly not enough for right most people we know. You know what you walkers targeted -- what are you see this thing on the show that expert logo yeah I think in 99 bucks for the holidays. They're not gonna sell a million albums but the so more than enough. Because it's all leverage technology didn't have to build anything beyond this all it's just not it's okay it's the original -- the peak in blue with a little bit assault."

" Right. I think that I'm gonna take one step further in the extremists here. I think that things and ridiculous I think they're not gonna sell any of those I think Clinton. I never standing right I mean like honestly for consumers to spend a hundred dollars on Twitter for this thing is dedicated to -- I think -- it could even get to the spend ten you know much less something it's so expensive and -- you know that everyone in the world has some -- in their pocket that already does that. Yeah it 17 minutes after us and it's not for anyone glad that. This is I'm going to be unknown to be a little bit of back definitive -- yeah its."

" Less useless than that we keep reader. Are very not."

" I 480. I mean. I have to agree with you I think that there is I'm -- in between you guys -- and I -- I'll wait to see where this -- and -- the numbers after the holiday season. And whether or not it's as in whether or not wired with -- paid to -- of the year award on this or not but aides and and visit us. Yeah -- it -- that's the peak let me show you this though this is he weekly -- The -- us. This thing is unbelievable. I played this last week a little bit and looking through. With this does is it gives you all of Wikipedia in your pocket. In one device on an SD card that's not connected to any sort of whispered that any sort of Wi-Fi connectivity you literally have to. Every few months pay to get more Wikipedia on an SD card. Or you could -- a subscription words don't. Before you what you would hate it Wikipedia. Put."

" On an SD card. In the tiger electronic hand held device right at you can scroll through and look I mean. I don't know who would use this I really -- now we've now gone beyond the growing agreement this isn't this is like for no yeah there. If that would make yeah I can call I mean I like this is for now we thank. As you cancel 50000 anything consumer electronics for there's -- market for 2008 you could probably sell that 2000 Twitter he still. You know. Someone it's a boom it's cool hard to cancel that it is. Jason have you played with one of these have you -- I -- I have you know what you think I'm way everybody else. The -- more importantly thanks to an interesting idea a year hurts you'll go right yeah what. The media like before that whole Internet thing came about. -- in you can do random you can just at random you can be sitting there without border. And you can just pull for random is. Joe mama broken bitch. She's a female volleyball player from Serbia who -- them. Member of the women's national committee this is the equivalent villages opening of the encyclopedia going into yeah and unless you're dropping these into a country that's never seen a computer the let's look at airlift supplies over into drops with a story commercials exactly yeah I think here it when he thought you would use them. Like -- it as an education totaling thank you think part of it leapfrog and then if they immediately -- like -- guess. Right or wrong and they use that leverage Wikipedia LA even though what it is now facts. I -- think that might have you know these. I mean literally the moment they ship these. The moment they came off of the assembly line it was out of -- When we were all in violent agreement to this degree -- you know that this thing has like no chance of the market. You could easily be the ultimate freedom it's the ultimate one off no severe head yes let's say yeah he's gonna or it's gonna be the biggest hit every year hundreds every kid is gonna be hoping for a weekly reader. Stocking this year. -- How our universe via the bullets."

" We're talking a Twitter retirement some of these other we keep who has the somewhat Twitter was this week that really set it -- finally -- columnist for Fox -- I -- finally felt -- for the first time. It took this sort of Ashton Kutcher effect away from Twitter in some part of you know we're still seeing this unfolding we're starting to see people now saying it's. It could be a bad thing Twitter lists as a week unfolds. But having the ability to cure rate those people would you want in a way that's meaningful to you. You know tech journalist and putting that in listen you can jump in for me. I you know I know -- sure he says all the time that all of this information was unfolding in a regular way before the Internet. And we are losing side of it on a regular basis we would miss people's postings we would miss information on a regular basis. Now with Twitter if you blog and an hour or two later you're missing important posts from friends people you wanna see that information from Brett. For the first time I felt like with Twitter lists. I can access that information I can go back to it may be more easily than I could have before and I had access to a -- way that's more meaningful to me. I don't know what review. Well me listen you -- created what's been your experience."

" If I have been able to create let's get another Stallone you know the future everywhere fanatic now. -- the wrong people we've done now we've area halfway but I read and written stories about -- and there's different ways I think on national in an article -- like ten ways you can use Twitter listen you know both for professional and for personal reasons and it seems like it's just. Making a service that's already becoming. Just like Paramount but I -- it's almost like my Yahoo! like -- where it might portal to matters my portal to information and now that you can customize -- makes it that much for -- it's great I'm happy. You're willing to sit down and -- tax on the -- is sponsored -- picking -- my sitting down and doing all the work for Twitter right all the benefits. And try to organize buses or feel bad in others there's useless create a list of likes market. I put this -- not enough not enough tickets because there are much more pursue unity you'd be a much more for the -- I think all the people who were pissed at the suggested users list right now gonna have the perfect opportunity ample laughter it is -- authority drew Curtis Ford Everest."

" Now it's not centrally controlled now everyone gets to do it never runs -- I think it's a great thing I mean I think guy or be used -- for pretty much only duration anyway and a follow the links and I chemical status updates. So along those lines just me it's the it's more of a discovery engine commuter like -- what do you think better than suggested users list I mean does is it. Is it completely different thing."

" I think it's I think you're both right I think it's a suggestion useless for people who wanted to do it in public. And then further per individual users it's a group system and once the clients updates to -- it manipulated it to consider how to tomorrow -- and one lists and I think that'll be a good."

" Yeah that movie we ever gonna see -- effect until Twitter clients start supporting this coming -- We can hear the grapevine places were using it you know and we -- it across the border Twitter peak. But. Of the well known so it doesn't have the same effect just yet it was -- in the first iPhone clients yes or supporting lists. Then we might start seeing more assertive people willing to organize but it is important that he's the number altered without country -- Thousands of people and -- that's a lot of work to ask people do and lists are no good -- kept up to date. Yeah so educating you while you're constantly have to go to assign new people have a white sign and."

" And I. I think it has he's leveled the playing field on the sort Ashton Kutcher effect having three million followers and made it now the real test of maybe popularity or not popularity in just a blanket sort of superficial way. But a meaningful way those were posting relevant content whose that are being put on different lists to a provider infantry information right followers. Really doesn't matter what -- got super huge ego war -- what does a child with a because of the million followers who are really following you don't. Yeah -- think that's the point in the if you have a thousand people who are following you who. Are literally engaged in your brand and for Squarespace what would it mean for you to have. And in a number of people how many people the Squarespace have following them and blogging and updating its like. You have these they like 30000 IS far more valuable than the three million that -- Ashton Kutcher has for people just following blanket yes."

" And I but I think a lot of there's actually joined on with our I think campaign on Twitter which Connie this is big surge and you know it's just like any other advertising mechanism -- qualities which keep the rest don't hurt but. You know it's tough and you should actively target initially target quality and if you happen have a lot more that they can't be bad unless you."

" I think -- unless you've got council yeah using it as the world cheapest. Free direct marketing tool to push out your stuff which is really -- uses it area. For him there's no social aspect of the whatsoever to this pistol rounds of music for that obviously more followers the better because or you're doing is trying to drive traffic. And mediocre action country that that is what -- you getting them all the publicity. But for people they're using it actually -- conversation. You know as you started followers I don't with the magic number is but you can't be following 10000 people him. And engaging those people effectively dialogue and what's interesting to note that most of us. Use this on a regular basis to engage. It dialogue realm beyond just you know posting stuff out there are using it as a marketing tool which enables you do."

" Jason final thoughts on this with you know with you're listening to right now on 373. Different lists. -- 10000 followers. Yes several of those lists are using words like nerd and yeah. Really flattering that. But it's a good idea I mean I think fit -- the as a personal management thing to be able to section of my friends it's a good thing and -- over other people who wouldn't wanna call -- today may be business and have a little Mac group. Yeah great yeah. Yeah I knew it puts us in the in power of our you have the information we want to win we -- Let's talk about the Microsoft courier let's get to that next just a laundry list of stuff I thought I. The next thing I threw a dart at here let's take a look at some screen shots that we got of course -- sought this office in snake. Fish fish fifty Palmer course on Nadia and yet to show few weeks ago there than do windows seven launch was asked by this by just a policy about specific about the windows carrier which we showed off here on the show showed the video of course no need to feel that again. Now some screen shots of -- in of course Ballmer at the time saying he's never seen the video or he's playing completely cool way. Is this a Microsoft device. But and gadget his motor going so far as to say lately and -- the Microsoft courier I mean all signs seem to be pointing to that camera on the back. A really elegant looking device sort of shocking device but whenever Microsoft gets into making hardware like we -- the with the Zune. They hit a home run it seems. Is this a Microsoft device in his -- just blown smoke well."

" First -- might disagree with that. And being yes -- homer yeah. Yeah perspective the Zune HD is a beautiful I don't know I -- not to say when they first got into that business and I'll show you what's different about this though is that Ortiz is a little bit dangerous if it's true in the sense that you know. If you even though it's sort of like a super. PC so this is Microsoft potentially getting into the PC business and competing against their partners. --"

" You know the more -- look -- trucks more. It's a science project and yeah Microsoft. And apple and HP. Dell and Sony. Jews only these concept devices in the course of your experiment in effect there's so many. User input on this device when the reasons I'm convinced it's really not a product that they're experimenting with. What works no social work the problems sometimes the stuff from. Gets shown relatively out. We all get excited about it -- worrying about it we'll start doing you know pricing. People -- doing suggested pricing would apple has the -- tablet of those great local people give apple buys Chrysler. Yeah I would give advice on how to price nonexistent -- even better yeah. So. It's -- for. Receive development work what was your plumber doesn't see everything that goes on Microsoft."

" I'm sure -- and any visit -- project I think what's interesting about it you know compared to the fabled apple tablet is that it uses -- put. And I think you know what who have written off -- PCs but I think as an input mechanism you know. Digital -- or whatever you wanna call it. I still think makes sense especially when it comes to the work part of computing not the entertainment aspect yet Jason Jason does does Microsoft have point when they say they're not writing off and then. That's one of these Robbie Bach talked about they're not writing off the that -- input as a way of getting information into a device. This is saying look real to you what's your take on."

" I mean it's an imaginary product and it's great to compare imaginary products and an imaginary features that. I just have to say I'm shocked that when everybody's talking about the micro -- at the Microsoft tablet. They are the apple tablet that suddenly there's this Microsoft tablet that makes him well just an act in -- but we'll -- they -- doesn't do -- cool stuff but that pretend Microsoft Outlook does -- so you know it's it's -- I'm not a believer in pen input but I have terrible handwriting so you know don't don't -- you know I just. And you look at that product what was that cost I mean that's more than a thousand dollars spent the two screens and it doesn't seem practical I agree with Michael at the science project opponents fear and uncertainty and doubt."

" In my pretend universal crisis 49 dollars. But yeah -- free lesson -- it's cheaper than -- people get a quarter included unlimited three G service you know so if you would consider what would he figures he's beautiful I mean -- probably fake diet you know it. At this thing that thing seeing Windows Mobile I wonder if if they aren't really that there -- really making concerted effort towards these next generation you guys I mean I hope they well but. That that device may be really question and think like many. Maybe is more to it than just a prototype. I have been without it's obviously not been -- the last month -- I don't joke or what we should say HTC did yeah."

" Yeah workforce are so perhaps they want to wait and see how that thing shakes out let's do. Let's talk about. What were talking these these. No versus the Alex and of course there's some -- this week. John from the folks who we finally got you and see more closely with the Dallas looks like with that. The -- sit on your screen is on the left side of course that's the larger. You go and put that back up there. They'll on the left side you -- that's the that's the Alex has at large color display. And -- suddenly then we saw the Barnes & Noble milk come out with that color display at the bottom. And there are some question this week now whether or not the folks from Barnes & Noble swiped. The do you why were did that design with the coast in the bottom from the folks who are putting -- Alex but. This is always convenient story because it's as if Barnes & Noble suddenly saw the Alex and then a week later released the -- when in fact these pop R&D project these things take a long time there's no way. And in a week's time and a few weeks time. This gets out unless they've been meeting with a much like pirates of Silicon Valley -- back in --"

" You know we apparently these guys said they showed. And -- agreements. Yeah you know maybe could have documents that say that we don't know what they've told. Are we know how much they were shown. You under what terms that -- what we -- reveals doubles on people with youthful pot right. The design of the two machines is a little bit you know. Story can. Yeah yeah it kind of feels. That explain but you know what people -- independent real time so you know -- figured out yet I think. There's no market really for either one so --"

" spring designed which is company that makes the -- start filing patents patents on the -- back in 06. And stood pat on the do it navigator. Is also pending. So we haven't seen the lawsuit yet but I -- a lawsuit could be forthcoming Jason what was your take on this."

" You know why I think you're probably parallel evolution. But you know patent somebody was smarter filed patents and they'll probably get some money for a I can agree with Michael I'm questioning whether you of these products is gonna be a success I'm not quite sure the Kindle user -- like the color screen but we understand when -- by -- written. It seems silly --"

" Yeah a visit ending here as a gimmick and I was in the Barnes & Noble store the other day near my house. And that he got that hole -- display set up they've got the entire area which was always which was filled with all of those tables for books and only releases now completely wiped away. You could stand about sixteen people deep in this spot. In front it is a beautiful. Display case very apple walking with its white bottom glass and the law a lot of light in all of these things. And they're putting it front center in their stores. I don't know I mean I don't know what you lastly a lot of people right and wondering Kindle no Kindle not wanting the response."

" Yeah I mean that the fact that people are asking for comparison I thought I mean these types of devices are going to sell it I think the question is you know what sort of staying power to they have as devices coming to them originally stationed on the way to a better device I think it could well again as you start getting. Screens like that. Circuitry screens and slip your form factors you have to say what we need community asking you root for. And I don't think markets for this market has been predicted offer it here we've seen. Bodies later all over the yeah if people point Kindle successfully -- success if you guys have handled it all right I've written millions use it. I use it just about every day -- yeah wow I thought I HI like the experience of -- is not a huge Michael shaven fan my favorite authors so. I will get his newest books and I have in I have to get the tactile response to that book I have to have that book on my shelf yet and I would never do that would Kindle. I mean the end of the day I think people want it more you won't see this thing do you really well by the parts that. And then by the people back a law school because most people don't read these books are great for people who realize. And travel up the paper really right. About the books lectured her books we -- I've got you know candles and I've got all these other devices in the day. I still opt for paper because I can. Give you my copy I can loan you my copy it would sell like they don't unloading features into some of these stores -- don't work so well present. I know I should just let -- you -- find someone should know -- you wanna read my book that's great as well spent 249 dollars you can ammonia my copy. Once yeah for exactly two weeks and woody what are your thoughts on it."

" The I can go I was I'm I'm a real big -- of -- consolidation and went on I wanted to. Damages tried out this really kills. I've heard only good things you know about the -- but for myself I couldn't. I just I get distract you and -- street and I don't know what that lesson in life like here format should be honest the idea -- annoying -- phone. --"

" Well because that's what -- left the meeting to struck me crazy breaks of the really expect it takes to win game version. -- And they focused a lot on how this stuff working you have to be totally immersive experience when you really fades away well fades away yeah and probably -- talk from page -- breaks and perhaps working interest in the subject you know fathered by. But I've used every -- devices."

" Yeah now are are managing editor used to be library. And we had her try the at Amazon Kindle and the app and she actually -- also heard the app. I'm -- you know she got tired of slipping slipping through the pages is because there's only so much text that the iPhone and iPod Touch and hold an eight time -- But I think overall just the he -- the reading experience than just the use of it you know as an -- You know. That we you."

" I'm I'm not I think that it is so many people have -- it is a natural -- just think the screen is a little bit too small I'm on the other side of it with Michael on this one night I have a Kindle and -- heard -- on the -- I don't. Mind the flashy. But I think most people aren't gonna buy dedicated device and if we can get. Devices got a little bit bigger screen the appeal is only gonna grow by the way MacWorld iphones super guide that's available -- Find a way. --"

" I have to say any looking at an -- to -- point about having a device like. You know. Having a device that I can sit and read and not be distracted by that's what I'm worried about on a tablet style device if we see this thing -- and you did a little too big and I might be distracted by the Internet being right there I serving a book and I have a cup of coffee. You know unmanageable wants video right now or Oreo what can tweak that notification that pops up oh wait yeah. He's netbooks come -- standard size. If they're not random all over the place and it tonight is done Anderson or to this stuff that yeah hasn't quite translated over. -- The -- didn't have all the books that I wanted to read sometimes they don't just read -- books I've read old books and I that this can go. And some things are all that on the -- by books and -- problem but if you're excited I had I don't know which one gets it all back catalog that isn't there this election is good but -- you're happy camp yeah and all the stuff that you want them and they changed the model is this really takes -- really have our perspective. And books that I acute problems upon Barbara -- new book. They have to buy physical you know licenses for every book as if it was a paper book which individually needs. -- sense there a lot of books that I read obviously for this job and and for others that I and I wanna be -- have access that information pretty easily be able to jump in and take stuff and have been a great experience for me to be -- in to highlight -- jump onto -- my Amazon.com have a mall buying. Right there can print and not cut copy and paste and get a good read to update whenever I want to do the -- problem can those two things one there's a limited number plus you can the point where. But I that would discovers that actually can collapse on multiple phones in multiple readers via truck downloadable or block couldn't do it. And I called Amazon they couldn't figure promise of this book and movie -- five times in into the same device and you have five downloads. That's it. Wait a second home -- of this ridiculous. And that could DR I miss and after the whole orwellian thing you always stuff is great it's agitated unless Amazon decides that for some reason you violated their license -- agreements as we can terminate your service at our discretion. And you lose everything that's usually when exactly it. Exactly if you had patients -- I'm I'm not willing and go to work if there's an excellent 1984 story that -- All right Jason I want while I'm doing the on boxing here waiting to show off the brand new so knows his own player in the past five this is 399 dollars from -- course he'd be they're getting rid of when I get ready and you still pick up the -- to pick up the controller from them you want. They decided to basically turning iPod the iPod Touch into their control of walk us through this devices on trying to open up its. --"

" Makes lots of high end audio. That whole home audio it's not like an iPod or iPhone -- you have your. If your MP -- somewhere on a server computer. Announced device. And then you can plug some of those boxes into. And amp. Oriented amplified speakers or this new one is a speaker which was really filling up a hole in their product line."

" Yeah this was and so you don't Hitachi. No they're not 399 dollars but it has incredible sound and what like we're talking before the show if you're in a room you know thirty foot rumor so. It fills up the sounds beautiful I mean it sounds a lot like him and I don't know if they'd like this comparison monopoly composed. Though both small sound system."

" People with the host who probably -- is it distorts yet only now you pretty good point. And this thing you can crank -- all the way up and I've not found anything that this will distort. Plus it's. Really look at -- the entire Internet music so I can access my rhapsody -- idea accessories and -- laugh at them my iTunes content. I don't want to be doc and apple branded phone in that across the net through this from one uses the controller I I am I guess we have a comedy offer the device -- exact problem over and already control the music and people -- looking forward as is a dock that's wrong -- very very I guess and about."

" What was the decision making process and as it will look mostly content is living on your iTunes library mostly content you already have on your phone your iPod Touch is already in your iTunes library why would you -- there -- charger. Or whatever amenities to limit -- to -- ability away for you use it as an actual remote. It really in in the sound quality is fantastic and one of the things that I I was curious to exit you know. One of my early frustrations with the first -- close a beautiful device once it was set up. -- if I was to send this to my mom for Christmas. She would need me to come home and set it up from. They don't zones and everything known as the wiring and all that she would say well that's a very nice present but I need you to come -- show how to set it up when this. You -- from the back of it. That was one of the units to ethernet ports. You can plug in headphones if you want it also has an auxiliary input you can put in any other you can use it in any other way you want and has one plug in. It's could not easier then."

" I love them over the room it's completely antithetical -- you know that Twitter -- in the the evil creator and all these parasite a Wiki reader and all -- that other stuff I mean. They finally realize that they're not get that then I can give to make a remote it's added that device starting your pocket that touch screens just not gonna happen there but then again I don't have the cellular through to. This phenomenon that device tonight on the market political or clear about it this is even an accessory for I think this is an accessory to -- and that again go back to the app store. Shows the importance of that this is -- four that. Writing com so I can now control thing with the device that aborting yeah my emails which backing uses controller again. Along pause at some point to this little feature and we know that. You got into this thing up too weak throughout the morning I think we showed us would make an Andrea. Asking that question anger really -- responses that if we're gonna do anything else because of the numbers you can Blackberry. The platform so we we can't deal arena -- extra hours they have the number I don't have got platform we funny that we're not going after. Each platforms they said android. Not there yet and frankly we -- forever on ourselves with you know our whole thing has got good experiences yet we can't afford to deliver of that experience. -- and don't forget what really look how nice is that they're charging and the price they charge for their old remote and iPod Touch is actually cheaper. Yeah again I mean it's a no brainer to get -- torture use your apple you -- so and the viewer winner they'd probably the hardest -- it's hard to explain and it's. You know. Being sold next to speaker -- it's one -- the start thinking about one cents per yeah he's gonna tell us -- you know -- it -- the market this thing but this probably like yeah. One significant had a well -- and especially if people like you wouldn't be are telling our parents about it we can explain it twenty words or more yeah -- MacWorld gave it to you guys give it four. I think for. Four stars four out of five did you guys --"

" Yeah I think that's right I know we got a lot of big some of stands on our staff spend. And this latest that it fills an inch for them which is -- all in one with the speaker incident having some -- why I learned in school of Paris speakers that's a big step forward. Well as you want more."

" Boxing -- we have we did the we did Pedroia who did the HTC HDT we did a Twitter peek into the Wiki reader."

" We did. Was apparently to -- we did. -- now we have one more here let's do this. Actually. The only -- that this is the I would market. Competitive walk us through this this is their 3-D -- Laptop from Acer yet."

" Any good because for 799. And the reason why that price point even though. As you know average selling prices are crashing right now for notebooks what makes this interesting is that 799 is actually pretty affordable. Compared to you I'm dating myself the first time that treaty came to notebooks -- Good number of years ago it was well over 2000 dollars and it really wasn't anything you can do with it at this time around they're working with a company called tried to. And you know what we're seeing here is the polarized sunglasses that makes you look a little bit yeah this is the dizziness -- yeah you literally have to put on glasses. To get the experience of the 3-D from and you don't watching some of the content on this and it's interesting because. You have to try to find how far away from you you need to -- to get this 3-D experience. And it's not as into -- it's not just like sitting with a laptop on your -- it is a laptop after all right. And my experience actually getting the best resolution 3-D experience is have it is like. It would have to sit on Michael's lap July stared at it from afar from -- you -- And both uncomfortable right -- Yourself married. And that that would that would do had a trend piece on this whole technology right now and -- obviously in order to get that costs where it is they're using that technology has a saying from trying to there's another one that's very on the market. -- that's more expensive called 3-D vision. And what they're doing is that for those laptops in the coming out early next year you're gonna need a 120 -- Display which you've never seen on laptops report that's why those laptops can be a lot more expensive. But the three experience is gonna be a lot better. So -- what you can do at this that was you can watch movies and three B I think it also works with you know with dvds and there's like a handful of games. If he got to try to website there are you know. Regular games that people would -- like world of."

" Warcraft and call of duty their service but you. There are suggested."

" Or we don't see me an idea to -- in the development of Hillary yeah yeah on the glass just right. It's interesting I mean we keep seeing all of this 3-D stuff that every time you know you know retreat should be seeing more and more freebies. Sort of -- so -- at all the and on the phone -- well I don't know. Yes it's interesting that the when it we actually okay and Twitter peek yeah. But yeah these glasses. Because is at least they didn't make the glasses look like blue blockers that like grandma's would wear you know these are actually. Maybe I can walk outside with these later and actually I think you can boy I'll quietly from the rest of us or after I had bad. Our final thoughts any thoughts on this this treaty stuff you've been looking at now. I. Didn't have an accountant Jason any final thoughts on the 3-D stuff we've been seeing. I don't think it's going to be anything for five or ten years and then never -- almost 3-D since the fifties it is only now coming to movie theatres via. -- group. Maybe you'll get smell a vision and the next thing here is there anything else we wanted to talk about. The ground time no time unfortunately. Oh he was shot on last initial appearance don't believe we got an up close with it and mark has the -- here. This is the other android device that. And it's available. It's it's I think it's available today -- along along with his regular along with the Motorola this -- this is the -- device gives a sense or maybe perhaps -- loved ones without the physical keyboard because it goes for 99 dollars -- going to be a lot of people are going to be going walking into Verizon stores that are excited about the -- and they see the price of 200 and they see this next to it. I think you can argue it has cooler interface you want you know this is gonna be the sleeper adroit and you know it's -- yeah I think it does GS isolate it from a -- respecting that other George gonna end up -- market. But if -- is waiting for. How bad these are the jurors were looking for that. What's the price tag on that this is 9999. Answer there was that real military and whether -- not from apple the NC 993. G is an eight gigabyte model any word on that MacWorld. On the look at tablet. It's just -- it's just a theory but it wouldn't surprise me if I happen yeah I mean once they sell all but three days why not. Did you think. That's the final word today from -- now he's the editor in chief of MacWorld magazine no more tips with apple right otherwise. We'll have to report. But soaked fields hope Jason as always great to see you thanks for any of the Skype issues we had today and -- you -- suffering for."