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'Fight Against the Aggressor'

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'Fight Against the Aggressor'

Published: Thu, 5 Nov 2009

Description: Colleague of Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan recalls 'outlandish' comments from Fort Hood shooter

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" We have now the opportunity to be joined by a man who knew and worked with Major Hassan. -- The suspect who was shot and killed today who today, to be responsible. For responsible for us all us, this on this. On -- this with us Terry Lee. Colonel Lee who -- worked with him at Fort Hood in the psych ward with Major Hassan and is live on the phone with us now. Sir its very good of you to join us, thank you for your service and thank you"

" Thank you for having me. Let me give my condolences to the the men and women who went through this tragic day."

" Thank you. Colonel I -- know that you are retired now and that you worked with him at the psych ward at Fort Hood. You are, our bookers have quoted you as saying that he was making what you -- -- -- termed outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy. And even once claimed that Muslims had a right to rise up and attack Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan. Could you elaborate for us?"

" Well, there was a time we were at a conference. When was this? This was roughly about six months ago ago. -- -- he made several comments about. about how, know we know, first of all, be over there and not told I maker of Major, I said to lock it up major that Major, took this ain't the time for your views to be known to the public individuals. Cause there were several news was there were the conference and didn't."

" What did he say precisely?"

" He said precisely that maybe -- -- the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor. And that at EO -- thought he was talking about held how know Muslims should stand up and help the armed forces in Iraq. Iraq and But apparently that was wasn't case because there was was town times would make comments to other individuals. individuals, about we shouldn't be in the war in the first place. And there was a specific. When specific time, when there was little luck."

" At -- the recruitment center there, it's -- -- my belief."

" Correct and there was some comment made about it it that he was almost sort of happy about it. And a couple other officers that were in the room and made the comment to him that well how could you make that, -- -- make that statement. And Nadal kept on making the comments, well maybe we should get out and this is what Musilms should do, they should stand up to"

" the aggresor. Mow it's my understanding from from previous conversations with you through through our Fox News employees, that some of the physicians in the unit were discussing the incident today and expressed disgust and I'm quoting here. For the rag heads who might attack the military here in the United States. This was apparently said to major Hassan who it's my understanding is a convert to Islam is that right."

" That's what believe, I believe... And he got, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interupt, go ahead Colonel. He made those comment and he stuck strongly to his faith. But, you know, as soldiers, we have a duty to -- -- -- -- -- you know, follow orders from our Commander in Chief and your -- political views are set aside. But he was, after the shooting in Little Rock, he was, almost outstandly upset about, you know, this man was treated in Little Rock. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- and he says maybe we should have more these, where people should strap bombs on themselves, and go into Times Square. And that was from a third source, so I can't confirm that. --"

" All right now now you -- -- say that Hassan -- himself, again we're we're on the line now without retired colonel Terry Lee, who worked with the man on the right hand side of your screen at Fort Hood, the man on the right hand side of your screen is the one who is said -- by the military to have shot and killed twelve people it at Fort Hood in Texas today and left 31 others injured. You you have told our staff that that Hassan seem to believe, -- had -- -- feelings about President Obama and his election could you tell us about that."

" Well that that was a comment that he made. Couple come in the conference room and then also well you know once I'm not outside the facility. That he was hoping that President Obama would pull our troops out and things will settle down. And when things weren't going that way he became more more agitated more frustrated with the with the conflicts over there and and he was just he made his views well known -- own -- how he felt about how you know, the US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan."

" And this is something that was investigated by the military it's my understanding?"

" Well that's what we, what I was told, but when I retired, and I left there, -- and I didn't hear anything more about it. I was told that there was an investigation but I couldn't tell you any further more than what they say is that he said she said routine."

" But colonel you you've heard many of the statements that you've just reiterated to us and I wonder. Colonel? Were you concerned about this man and the safety of others?"

" You know at first you know you blow it off as people just being hot headed and making political views. -- -- -- -- But it seems like over a period of time he became more. more, more I they say, agitated about everything. With the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and -- his views views, couple of times when he was was in a mobilazation line, a confrontation with. Another with another I which, heard you heard, bits know, pieces about it that he got an argument and the name some in. You and you they were there was something to which. I which were called recall what was said, but there was an agitation. But, here's the thing that is the concern. -- -- Why transferred from Walter Reed hospital in Fort to And Hood? I mean, something is happening that happened at And that's that's what I hope the investigation will go and find out what happened at what treaty Walter Reed to be"

" -- Well, -- those are all questions that we will certainly be answering, askinging in the days ahead and I'm sure the military's seeking answers answers to that sort of question as well. Went there -- There others who were being are today in question. What was this man capped a -- -- Major Hassan, -- he have a group of friends. Led friends with says he as his, to your knowledge, your"

" No, he was sort of a loner to himself, He never did socialize a lot with the officers. Off duty or even on duty that much, but he was kind of a loner to himself. -- -- -- -- -- --"

" You've said, and you said it here and you said earlier that that members, other members of the military including officers would call him, would call him -- George -- names. Could you -- go through some of that and explain how those arguments went down."

" Well, when it started off, -- if any soldier gets an argument they'll be some name calling and all that but. Apparently. He made some comments about how we should be pulling out of Iraq, and we shouldn't have any business there and you've got some officers with sons and daughters who are over there that fell strongly about it. Of course they do. You know, they got into them some name callings -- You know one thing led to another but. I don't think that would cause him to go on a shooting think spree. I think there is a deeper seed"

" I was certainly not making that connection I was just trying to get to the bottom of what you heard and saw."

" Yes, I mean you hear a lot especially in situations like this here, but, you know I feel confident in the -- and the FBI investigating this and I'm sure they'll get to the bottom."

" -- Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison of the state of Texas says that they army major was who's accused here was about to deployed overseas to either Iraq or Afghanistan I'm assuming. His entire group his entire group was do you know anything about the yet."

" He was going to be deployed. Sometime at the end of the year here and he was totally against going matter of fact he was going to the chain of command trying to. Get that deployment canceled. And he was the best strongly against about going back go there."

" Officials in Washington said they suspected that the shooter then they said the shooter was a psychiatrist. Is that accurate. That's correct. -- And what sort would he work, For instance I know that -- a lot of psychiatrists work with -- the men and women who come back from overseas and feel like they need somebody to talk. Would -- that have been the kind of work that he did?"

" That's correct and not only that, mostly the PTSD and other forms, maybe some type of alcoholism -- -- -- and maybe drug addiction and things of that nature."

" Understood. Wow. Well, Colonel Lee we -- -- -- greatly appreciate your being here so sorry for everyone in the Fort Hood family and -- thank you Colonel Terry Lee for your, For your input here. Thank you."

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