'Life After Death: The Evidence'

" His life after death. Can you prove it our next guest says he Cantonese d'souza joins us he's the author of the brand new book a life after death the evidence thanks to see -- it's a pleasure and I love the -- the evidence which another it's another for proof isn't life after death."

" I think there is it's and have always believed it on the basis of faith but in this book I set that aside and I say let's look act empirical evidence. Let's look at historical philosophical scientific evidence. And that's the good news that actually when you look at modern science you look at modern philosophy there is surprising a proof."

" That there is light -- nice what how do you prove something in the future."

" Well Shakespeare called -- the undiscovered country and it's true you can't go to the other side of the carton I don't claim to have interviewed dead people or any act. -- now there are near death experiences and that is thousands of people who have been very close to death. They have been declared clinically dead in some cases no brain function. And they report all over the world a surprisingly uniform experience they say I feel myself pulled through a tunnel I see a bright light. I feel my whole life goal in front of me -- kind of what's called a life review. IA sometimes encounter a deceased relatives. I feel and the presence of a Celeste deal being."

" And then I come across an impassable barrier I want to go through it but I can't and then I'm back on the operating table so. These near death experiences which are now the subject of quite detailed study."

" Obviously very worried about him and -- trying to say now it's just. It's kind of like if you take pollution are joining drugs are may need to rein in the process of dying generates this kind of special effects."

" But those -- have their own problems."

" Do you know though that it isn't that Amanda I'm going and zeroing in on the whole issue of proof that when I really as a given -- near death experiences in Lawson learning experience but. What where's the where's the where's your -- how do you arrive the certainty."

" Well remember this is only one part of the argument I think."

" I think the way you look at life after death -- your little bit like a detective and you've come a car on a -- crime scene now there's no eyewitness."

" Because no -- we can we can't talk that people. But there are a lot of clues in this a lot of evidence. Each single piece by itself won't make the case but when you put it together so for example take the -- idea that this is just -- dying brain. Now those of us who have had relatives or -- with people who who have had alzheimer's the body in the brain and breaking down. You know what that's like you have faded recollections. You have a didn't miss a perception you have disorientation. And then you look at the near death experience it's the opposite it's extreme clarity. And a sense of a vivid miss."

" And besides if these are people whose brains are dying -- walking around the people at near death experiences are they have jobs they have families so they bring would have had to -- and essentially come back to life."

" Which is a little hard to believe."

" I'd -- received the C believe this from safe before you start read the book -- then started doing research and a new head the C we came up with the the -- he look at from a scientific point is that right."

" Well the thing is we believe a lot of things on faith and but we're living in a secular culture and so in some senses faith doesn't cut it when you're talking to somebody doesn't --"

" I think it's important to be able to still look and see what modern evidence has to show up. And so I look at physics and look at biology and most importantly the science of the brain."

" Because there's been tremendous advances in neuroscience. And in a sense what we're looking at here is is the mind."

" And the rain the same thing because see if they are then the brain dies we don't and I backed. So that the mind goes with it but if the mine is not the same thing as the brain that it opens up the possibility that the brain might die."

" But the mine mine is -- synonymous would soul."

" Mel -- console is a tricky tarmac usually in the religious traditions the soul is the moral faculty and the ability to tell right from wrong that's the sole. The mind is a much wider repertoire of thoughts and feelings and emotions ideas the hole in materials side of us. Now 2500 years ago Socrates of all people. Made an argument for life after death which I think is still relevant he said we are as human beings we have a physical side -- our legs arms are our lungs. And we have a mental side our thoughts and feelings ideas."

" The body dies but the immaterial part of us can live on that blood great new book a life after death evidence as the lord thank you nice to see if it's gonna."