Loss of Liberty

" Next topic as weak us what some members of the panel. Is something that that that personally said as me every time I talk about it. Which is the loss of liberty in the United States of America at the hands of the government this is not something some terrorists did to us. This is not something that some foreign power has thrust upon us. Rather this is something that we have elected our own representatives to do. Things like the Patriot Act things like the real ID act things which absolutely cut holes in the constitution. As a child I never mentioned that my elected representatives. Would do but they have on this topic Jake ohrnberger stays with -- let's joins us. She's the vice president of the student liberty front there's that word again. Representative -- states -- us and Aaron -- stays with us as well. When we were colonists. And the king and the parliament wanted money from us one of the insidious ways in which they did it was to enact the stamp act. The stamp act required that every piece of paper in your possession a book. A -- a mortgage even opposed to you're gonna now with a tree have the king's stand by and you figure was grazed onto a post -- general -- and post office here in Pennsylvania the by the king's image question. How did the king in the parliament now with every piece of paper in your possession had the king's image on it answer the -- of assistance act. A monstrosity. Enacted by the parliament that -- British soldiers. Right there alone search warrants. We fought a revolution we wrote the constitution we put in the Fourth Amendment which says. Only judges. Can issue search warrants and only on the basis of probable cause evidence sworn to under oath which demonstrates more likely than not. There is evidence of a crime in the thing the government wants to see this did you ever think Jake ohrnberger that we would see a day. We're popularly elected congress would enact a monstrosity like the Patriot Act. Which would allow federal agents are employees. To write their own search so it doesn't surprise."

" you're talking about the national security letters in the Patriot Act. Well -- another thing they always give them these nice sounding phrases instead of calling them self written search warrants they call them national security letters. I guess they read George Orwell of course and made it should have been called treason act within the Patriot Act. But the point is is that the framers of the constitution understood that the greatest threat to our freedom. Lay not with some foreigner. It lay with the United States government it is congress that is named specifically in the First Amendment as the potential threat to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. So it doesn't surprise me that congress attracts people like that. We have to just as assistant constrain that power and make sure they get don't you know that."

" of the constitution guarantees. Freedom of speech if the First Amendment says congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech. Are you worried when congress enacts laws that does a bridge the -- freedom of speech because if you received. One of these self written search warrants and you tell anyone. Your spouse. Your boy you're. A priest in confession. -- judge and a public courtroom that you received this they can charged with a felony. Of speech does that terrify you."

" I think the government gets away with so much that it does because it puts fear in people. People are scared there's the terrorists behind every corner -- think all this hype -- media and makes people give up -- it's like this they don't even given a second on the."

" Interest thing you said people are scared fear is a weapon Aaron that the government uses one wants to take away our freedom. Agreed this is that one of the reasons that war is the health of the state because when people are afraid they sort of go for that satanic -- Your freedom I'll keep -- safe. People actually fall for that."

" I think a lot of people do actually I think a lot of people believe that the government is a benevolent institution -- out like we've always thought that's protect our rights. And not a lot of people question that but when things go if you like the Patriot Act and and the NASA security letters all these things Missouri actor was looking out for Ron Paul supporters is terrorist. Like there's all kinds of crazy things that are going on people don't look at these they don't question they just let him go through."

" Representative -- we're in the great commonwealth of Pennsylvania. It is older than the government of the United States of America the reason we have a government of the United States of America is because the thirteen colonies. Gave a little bit of air power to the central government. As Ronald Reagan reminded us in its first inaugural that stage created the federal government and not the other way around. What happens in Harrisburg. When a bill comes from Washington say. Saying thou shalt do this thou -- to do that and if you don't do it will take money away from and a you don't do it. A paid some highways so you give up a little your State's sovereignty does that offend you."

" me highly and it's the reason why the states have become so weakened. And dependent upon the federal government today. In these days and economic troubles that we're on this reason the states are in such dire financial constraints is because. The federal government has put upon them. Laws and regulations for which they had no authority to be involved promised money never delivered it in the states are now subservient in many respects. To the whims of the federal government I have always thought that this is a -- in the -- in the legislature in Harrisburg."

" And said. Change the drinking age changed this the and the maximum speed on your highways. And if you do I'll pay some bills for you I would expect to be in handcuffs and charged with bribery. But that is literally exactly what bureaucrats and the federal government know. And the states go for it because money is --"

" The corruption in the system in Washington in this state are quote entirely to the to the issuance of bribe money. In -- taxpayers' dollars that are used in every case for which there is no author and authority or authorization to do so. But it absolutely brings a sovereign state to their -- if they fall for -- you walk out of this building and a police officer comes up to you and says hey lady. Where you go one -- coming from and let me see your papers. Did you ever think that what happened in the United States of America. -- it does happen. That ridiculous if that if the government requires. That we all have some sort of standard form of identification. Which not only has -- fingerprints and that and our medical and legal history is. Which government agents called cops. Can swipe at their cars and find out everything they want about us just because we happen to be in their cross hairs is that the American that you thought to grow up and -- Is there anything. Less American. Than the notion that we don't have breathing room. Represented -- that the government can stop us and ask us where we're going what we're doing and by the way let me have that card. I wanna see if you're supposed to be out tonight or whether or not you have the -- old as the complete. Opposite of what freedom I understand that and liberties and I understand to be a part of what we are an America. That unfortunately is the direction that we're going whether you touch on real ID or the past idea that's being talked about it's not just a cart understand. It's the use of facial recognition technology which they have everybody in this room they've got your picture and with a camera around the building they can track you where you go right now. Did you know that. That's what it's all about that is not America as I wanted to be that the."

" thought that they voted the young people thought when they were voting for Senator Obama. To become president that they expect that this stuff would continue in his administration. Or Aaron did they think Aaron from the front that they think it would stop. By the way -- wearing a redshirt. That's a baseball game going on in New York tonight act -- Did they think it would stop or they sharpen its continued."

" It's firmly convinced that everyone in my school that better for Barack Obama thought he did stand for change you get rid of the Patriot Act. You'd stop. All these taxes he would stop the wars you stop searching you you do all these things. Enough none of that happened and then I think there's kind of a backlash now that students are are angry about this they're very frustrated Barack Obama has fulfilled none of his promises."

" And Jacob ohrnberger I have. Suggested. In that in this country we don't have a two party system. We have a one party system called the big government party. There's a Republican branch which assaults our civil liberties and loves war. And there's a democratic branch which assaults are commercial liberties and loves taxes but everybody in this big party. Likes to control other people. Question. Was that ever contemplated by the people who in this city a few blocks of where we are now wrote the constitution. Of the United States of America. And promised the bill."

" So absolutely not mean. These were people that established a country which they believe the government was going to be limited. And where freedom and free markets were gonna -- never could they've dreamed that we've now got one. Big government party and with the exception of Ron Paul the pretty much problem like. They -- favor bigger government either foreign policy or domestic policy that's of course but the libertarian part policy is all about."

" Our representative roar even in the legislature in Harrisburg which I gather as a part time legislature please god that the congress could be part time. Even in a part time legislature is there what CNN custom called and we have philosophers here libido -- on Monday. The lost. Two -- Does that draw people to the government these do gooders and busy bodies that wanna tell the rest of us how to live our lives and if so do you see that in Harris."

" The answer is yes government always. I tracks. Some people sometimes. Who loved the power more than they understand -- obligation to fulfill that responsibility under the constitution."

" So yes I think our founders did anticipate. That government left unchecked."

" Could and would -- run to excess Stacy from the front."

" If the guarantee of free speech. If the guarantee of the right to be left alone which in my view have to the right to life as the greatest right there is if those guarantees. Are not worth the paper they're written on you'll pardon the cliche. How can we enjoy life liberty and the pursuit of happiness of congress can cut holes in the constitution. And write any laws that are wants."

" Only in the constitution. There also. Just an hour and property especially on a feeling we just have to keep fighting and especially at the student had to keep. Fighting in the student movement for liberty -- through liberty Patrick -- her freedom there -- So many different orientation thing involvement to keep."

" I don't know -- college Patrick never was a statue and one of the buildings. Today it's an organization that has helped us be here and help young people understand. What it means. To be free did you ever think that a -- and knock on your door and say show me your papers Aaron. No -- I didn't think but it's that -- these days here did you think that'll pop. Popularly elected legislature. I mean these laws didn't come about because some Joe Stalin. Signed an edict. Granted George Bush scared the daylights out of the congress there was no meaningful debate in the Senate. I'm a Patriot Act there was no debate whatsoever in my house on the Patriot Act they had fifteen minutes to read a piece of legislation. That was 320 pages long which I've read three times and it takes into money hours. Each time I read it to do so did you think. But the people we sent to Washington who work for us. Would go there and take away our freedoms."

" Now and I don't think they didn't I think a lot of them are either caught up in either the power or the benevolence of government they they think they're doing the right thing but they're not. And it's scary because we have the alternate power like I said earlier where the ultimate check and balance on the government but we're letting him get away with this we continue putting them in office building for the guy who."

" Them but they're both are the same party Stacy from the front what do we do. When the copy asks you first paper -- your papers here refused to show up. One when the Democrats of Republicans are basically in favor of the same thing we -- or what do we do. Well there's one party in this country and it's just the lust for."

" Power. I think you have educate yourself on your rates on mailing them. And practice them and there's this thing called the Second Amendment and we should all learn about come back advertisers."

" One of one of the greatest people I've ever walk the streets of this great city. Benjamin Franklin once said democracy. Is two wolves and a sheep voting on dinner. But not if -- sheet has the right to keep and bear arms. And not have they recognize natural rights which come from our humanity does the government Aaron in the red shirt for a it. Recognize that we have natural rights which Jefferson called in Italy and a bolt which cannot be taken away from us. I'm -- violate somebody else's natural rights."

" Now there's there's definitely no perception of that left in today's government most representatives. Today think rights are written in the constitution they can simply be written -- minute away were ignored."

" When I argue about. And and and discuss the natural law Jacob ohrnberger. With members of congress they do look at me. Like I had two heads they really believe. That there is no restraint and their ability to legislate. Why is."

" That. I think it's what these other analysts have said its its thirst for power this quest for power. I think when we get to the point where government officials fear the citizenry. More than the other way around. In all of -- that you're gonna see people behaving as servants which is really all they are they're just servant but they're acting like her masters because we're all sitting here cowering in fear. With -- the head. The other thing is that you know it's -- seen here in these panelists talked about these concepts because this national ID card is exactly what the Soviet Union -- It's like China -- for. I've traveled in Cuba where I needed my little ID card to travel around the country. That's what they're going toward in this country is this Soviets out Cubans now talent."

" Do you think that the legislature in Harrisburg whatever resist the monster from Washington what do you think whenever the monster comes calling with cash. They'll give up some sovereignty some commonwealth sovereignty. And take the cash they get free. Of their counterparts in Washington or might thing. Like the Massachusetts legislature did an 1834. With respect to the freedom of -- with respect to the fugitive slave back no apply. Something that the congress did and refused to let people in the commonwealth of Pennsylvania all day and I'm just on natural unconstitutional. Federal statute. Mr. represented."

" I believe that if the governors of our states. Refused to deal and negotiate with Washington the legislatures would not go along with it. That's -- simple as that. The legislatures are not those who crawl into bed with congress it's the governors of the states the crawl into bed and then forced that upon the legislatures to concede and go along with it. That issue has got to be addressed but the states are waking up because they're understanding. That the money is not there in the stage of being held hostage the days are changing."

" Thanks very much thanks for joining us in the same conversation. On the loss of liberty is sad topic but one about which we all need to speak our."