International Dilemma

Published: Thu, 29 Oct 2009

Description: Is a nuclear Iran unacceptable? Former U.N. ambassador John Bolton responds

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" Is the US making plans for nuclear -- what exactly is this special -- war. Had a colonel Sanders infiltrate the United Nations. Important questions all -- only one man can answer that hell out of all of them put that back in the show John Bolton former US ambassador to UN and Fox News contributor ambassador. We -- story save a person want to get to the most disturbing one which is about how the guy was in the AP news reported doubt Obama administration is quietly preparing. Britain nuclear I ran the seven we've just given up hope of stopping them from getting the -- well look I think. This is. Very pronounced tendency within the Obama administration they say we don't want a nuclear Iran were prepared to take steps to try and stop it but at the end of the day if that happens we can live with and I think that's a big mistake yeah and and but I do think that story's accurate. Yeah it's scary so that when you you have to make -- you can't get in before you make this thing. This is -- psychologically it's very important because once you start preparing for Iran with nuclear weapons you're giving up and everybody all our friends and allies and those that aren't like Russian -- and look at their preparing for we're not gonna be upset about -- yeah. Yeah what the -- clenched fist doesn't work it -- is -- you after collective best. You can't Unclei chick and eclipsing what I'm glad to get eclectic back well it's it's a little bit difficult having won the Nobel Peace Prize actually to do anything that might advance American interest I think that's gonna come back on -- specifically with respect to run. Once they get nuclear weapons the whole equation change will what is this about the the planet which -- I would sit enrich uranium out of the country for processing why is that important. Well this is a great deal for a ride and how the Obama administration came up with -- but you go from the uranium enriched at a certain level to a higher level that is to say you moving. Closer to nuclear weapons now the Obama administration is not yet explained how that's the -- Iran's intention to get nuclear weapons but then I'm sure there's an -- somewhere it's easy to do so for the U uranium must be hard for takes outlined a whole country can't do it I have no idea what you do with that how they do it I I have to click right uranium in my backyard I would have trouble -- if they didn't properly."

" What would you do with it. Countries that don't have indoor have been nuclear -- that's what ever got about Aaron Adler theater I would -- is that this is a very strange story. If it's about a UN -- tour and I got to ask what that means in -- second. While the report condemning security checks that quote focus attention on -- bombers -- is females. To hide their bombs. Because he says by checking them you were insulting real transgendered. Gender people. I ask you is this -- and it could be what's the what's the -- war."

" I'm -- or terror well it's a French word as I might expect and it's it's for somebody who's doing investigation doing Leah ward in effect -- somewhat different translation. This guy why you're picking on him this happens all the time he went. -- didn't strike me as being out of the ordinary but. You know when you're concerned about trans gender terrorists -- you know you're a little bit out where the buses don't run and yeah that's. I mean we think that you would care more about the war on terror or saving the lives of 40500 people -- a Jumbo jet. Then -- sensitivities of one person who wants to wear drafts there's no limit to the UN's top. What about this one pointed. I think what -- to see if a lack of affordable housing in New York. He's a human rights violations now this is this is this is really great this -- workers from Brazil you know that you have a problem for 2000 itself yet he's visiting six American cities to look at how we're doing on him on the you know he's not visiting Somalia or North Korea places where they don't have houses at all yet the bottom line is the UN is designed is to make Americans feel kinda crappy. Well yeah. That's certainly the way it works out that that's why I enjoyed being there to give back a little bit of do you ever go back there this -- they legend -- you in the building I was back there today as a matter fact introducing new book that Heritage Foundation put and then. I think people were having flashbacks in the -- and as I -- the exact well but again I got to -- idea they recognize you by -- I welcome back well in fact I have contacts inside the UN systems I didn't even the united. It still isn't I don't wanna get anybody in trouble now is this is a security war -- more intense there -- at fox this box is pretty big security. UN security is so great that they put a security fence around the building a few years ago and the gates are so narrow that new York city fire trucks can't get through them so that the building burns good -- my -- I ask you what -- the bathrooms like I think like I imagine you adapt its. Are really really clean. They're pretty awful yeah."

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" A break Hank cleaning crew into the security -- Canada and I can't get that the IRS. They really are awful -- well I guess maybe in some countries. The expectation. Of cleaning -- is much lower than the United States."

" Strip we're now paying billions of dollars to renovate the entire UN building on first avenue so soon you'll be able to go over you'll recognize that the collapse they should just did let's use it for affordable housing that's a good yeah all right and that's always a pleasure have you on the show a great time for all of us thank -- on the -- email us it's Red Hat boxes that come that easy actually would smell like direct -- You want to -- if you fight you fight you know still the -- have to."

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Well I think North Korea wants two things one in in the near term that want to get off the US list of state sponsors of terrorism

to continue to expand their nuclear program. Thus putting more pressure on South Korea China Japan south bank from their point of view even with the health of Kim -- very on. Certain this is this is that makes sense from their perspective what you talk about the pressure on Secretary Rice what do you suggest she should be doing. Well I think it. This is clear proof that North Korea is not negotiating seriously to give up its nuclear weapons capability I don't think they're ever going to give it up voluntarily I think what Secretary Rice should do would be to say. You know we've tried negotiation for over five years. We've seen no evidence of the strategic decision by North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons. And therefore we're going to return to what is really the only long term solution here putting pressure on North Korea . Two the through through greater pressure from China. Tied to reverse course or face the the downfall of the region.

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It is we told you earlier in North Korea's upping the rhetoric about its nuclear weapons capabilities. Pyongyang is saying now that it's close to completing work on weapons grade uranium. That's in addition to the plutonium bombs it's already tested what should the US and other nations do about that. Former US ambassador to the United Nations of Fox News contributor to -- he's joining me now good to see you ambassador good morning. Good morning how. Much does this change our concern about North Korea .

some testing not all of its successfully but. Would you say that North Korea's interest is in utilizing. Potentially -- nuclear weapon or in selling it elsewhere.

go back to the Clinton administration. That repeated efforts to negotiate with North Korea to get them to give up their nuclear weapons program. Had failed time and time again the north Koreans are happy to negotiate they're able to extract. That tangible economic and political benefits from the rest of the world. There even have -- to say they're gonna give up their nuclear weapons they've done it four times in the past sixteen years. They just never seem to get around to it so I think what we really need to do is work much harder to isolate. North Korea and to get China which has unique and in fact this positive leverage over North Korea to apply that leverage to -- the nuclear weapons program.

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