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Published: Wed, 7 Oct 2009
Description: Secret changes to health care proposal raises questions about transparency
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" First we are live in New York City and did you hear about the phantom amendments are Democrats trying to sneak things -- to -- under the radar. House minority leader John Boehner goes on the record about that. What he calls the Democrats -- some power but first minority leader Boehner -- the ethics probe. A democratic congressman Charles Rangel. President nice to see -- Nice to see you. I -- today -- some action on the floor having to do it congressman Ryan who is currently the chairman of that house Ways and Means Committee what happened."
" Well there was a resolution best mr. Rangel to step aside until the ethics committee -- completed its investigation. Of his his tax problems and other issues that he has. They decided to to bury their resolution by sending the resolution itself to the ethics committee. Which frankly does nothing. But listen Charlie understands. That the right thing to do here is a step aside. As chairman of the tax writing committee. Until these tax issues I have been resolved. Abide the ethics committee and the US attorney."
" I now of course say he's presumed innocent and men accused of any -- but congress isn't that criminal form and it's simply the question of whether it makes any sense what that even looks good the American people. They have this assumption that head tax guy. That's what he's got his own tax issues. Does he not seen that what does he say what the speaker Pelosi say."
" miss miss Pelosi said. Before she took control. Of much of this would be the most open and ethical congress. In history. And time after time she's been ignored her own statement. -- by allowing people like John Murtha to remain those chairman of the subcommittee of defense. Allowing Charlie Rangel. To stay as chairman of the tax writing committee. Even though the apparently forgot to pay taxes. On some properties video for a long period of time. -- It it's really important. That the trust of the American people is in their representatives. And would you -- clouds hanging over you like this. Are you really should step aside until such time. There's the issue has been resolved but did any Democrats. Vote that he showed that they should go forward to having him step down as chairman while this is pending. Always is strictly along party lines. Another return Democrats enjoyed the Republicans. End up in opposing. There are shoveling the soft of the ethics committee itself. And so while it which is a change from what we've seen in the past as always we've got to Democrats who joined with -- us and I can say this. It is not right for Charlie Rangel to remain in that position while these questions are out there. -- continue to press this case until mr. Rangel does the right thing."
" Yeah I have just choose what surprised because this -- seems rather basic. You know. -- just appearance of impropriety that it would be smart to step aside and also appears that they Republican spoke to shove it off the the ethics we essentially vote with that. With congressman Rangel. But not the normal world but I now switch to health care reform bill summit that all the nation's eyes are on. Let's study Stanton amendment's going out across the -- in that and the set at what are the day I will as your mouse that's a senate but what's clear now with those senate. -- amendment's. Well."
" What Charlie bit interest in his that this senate health education labor and pensions committee up produced a health care bill that puts a lot like the house Democrat bill. -- but between that time of the bill was actually voted out of committee and before anyone saw it. There was about two months laps. Which is raises a lot of questions in my mind. Of over that period of time some 75 changes were made to the bill of without a vote of the committee. And idolize too -- committee chairman hear about house. And every time we moved to bill lot of our committee it was posted on line. -- by the end of of the close of business that day of so the American people could see what was we didn't committee that day. And to have a built tied up end. In oblivion for two months and then have all these changes made. You begin to wonder how they operated. Been introduced a resolution here in the house. That would require. All committees. To posts within 24 hours of the actions taken by their committee. I think the American people over right to see what goes on to their congress. They have a right. To be able to read these bills just like members of congress should ever the ability to read these bills."
" world. Don't we had that I mean with a word transparency -- why could it why is anyone opposing putting bills on the Internet so the rest of us this is you know a lot less than -- lot of Americans have complaints of members of congress don't read import bills. Okay so be it at least let us who have put on the Internet so we can see before you about what's wrong with that wiser opposition."
" truly surprising to me because it's most common sense but in the world we've got this effort. Let's require bills that before they come to the floor. They should be posted on line for 72 hours. Council members of the American people get a chance to see what's in these bills. But it seems to me that Democrat leaders want to rush these bill through congress before anybody has a chance to read them. That's exactly the point let's let people read that these bills let's flood them digest a let's look member -- digest it. So that we can make an informed decision before we vote was -- the federal I had February. They've brought their over a thousand page stimulus bill over the floor. Some eight hours after it was introduced at midnight. And I've made the point on the floor of that no one have read the bill because the fact there's no one had. And then then then June. They've brought out a 300 page amendment. To what 1200 page national energy tax they're cap and trade bill three and a page amendment rights spent an hour on the floor. Helping members understand what was in there 300 page amendment that was filed at 309 AMI why -- we were considering a bill."
" I -- him more agrees about that February when they had when there was that -- devote. And I that that the -- senator from ideas from your state that was pulled back devote his mother had died. And he was brought back so that he could vote on -- on that Friday Saturday it was not signed by the president Sunday it was not signed by the president. Monday it was not signed by the president until Tuesday out in Denver so there wasn't really that rush so that easily could have been put on an Internet so we could've seen it but. That's absolutely."
" It is just makes common sense. In -- it in an age now -- we have other types of communication. Devices available to us and the number of web sites available. All Americans ought to have a chance to read these I I -- on their elected representatives ought to read a -- and -- question some I think you know that they sort of -- brush but that's another -- and we and we never -- great respect."
" But anyway. I didn't you run into speaker Pelosi enough followers someplace else and say you know what about the transparency we. Yep how hot does it handles -- behind behind doors because it does seem rather basic that we should go see the stuff. What is she say or what does any anyone the democratic."
" Leadership -- that they've but doesn't everything in the world to stop members from signing a discharge petition. To bring this resolution to a floor to require. A 72 hours before any vote would happen on a bill would have to be posted online I was only six Democrat members who have signed on. To this discharge petition to force it onto the floor. It just seems to me that they want to they want the flexibility. To build a Britain these things out the middle of the night put them on the floor the next day. It's no way to run a railroad."
" I when your party was in leadership in the house and they weren't issues about transparency any recollection how you handled -- you guys resisted and I realize at different times but -- Do you resisted about."
" What it was a different time I can tell you when I was majority leader. And at the time and almost all cases. I insisted the members have at least one in four hours to read the bill before it came to the floor. Other that was it's a different time I've made a commitment and has have my Republican members. That if we take the majority back we will have a requirement. That no bill will come to the floor of that hasn't been out there available to the public into the members up for at least three days."
" entered a different time there was though still the Internet we could've done it when your party was in leadership -- but -- so -- look forward not backwards on that one but I so that death. Yes hey David 24 hours of -- seem like much time and have a hard time understanding any resistance to this one had on either side of the aisle."
" Though -- there and I think most members understand that this just makes common sense. -- a little wired speaker blows it refuses. To allow this to come to a vote it is -- day after."
" Does Kerry stemming that they should -- tough -- we run the house men -- pictures -- how what could possibly know they used to strategic rules -- procedural rules to prevent it. But what do they say in the all else."
" Greta you don't understand. They've got a majority they've got a forty vote majority. They don't talk to us about tie -- when they're gonna do the things. There's there's a -- arrogance of power. That's going on here in the house the speaker of the majority leader. It's is these -- calls. They really could care less will be have to say about it."
" I well I hope that -- fifth the fifth at park should shift that you don't forget that would like to see this transparency as well your party takes over."
" Greta I've made a commitment to my colleagues made the commitment to you and to the American people. It the American people stay engaged in this process. This rule happened it'll happen a lock worker then -- a lot of us think."
" Thank you very much --"
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