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" Good Friday afternoon everyone welcome here to gadgets and games I'm your host Clayton Moore it's nice to see you here on this Friday afternoon get out -- easy -- today because we're going to be talking some -- wave with some great guests -- our panel and we're gonna try to keep that is. Well it's gonna be difficult to not get its -- possible because it's a little bit difficult to explain and understand we dive into a -- got a lot of great topics for you this afternoon you can follow -- jump on email. You can edit you. Would. Claymores on Twitter getting your comments now -- we're going through all of these different topics we love you to -- plus chat room. Anyway you can do it you wanna send this carrier pigeon you can do that as well. I'm the president would -- a show today because I -- there's a fire on the he's the editor crunch here you were stuck on a train almost any I was yes there were you in the fire. I wasn't specifically in the fire right guys think so I guess before after the fire her answers your hero during -- did you save -- Did you pull anyone out I buy -- if if I had the option I would have done that that's that's I have within me do that. Well John it's great to have you on the show first time on the show appreciate you coming in breathing fire and flames to be -- forges. As always receive from popular mechanics we're going to be talking pinball. Today Seth I mean we tried out -- each other little bit today and -- has done a piece have you is a second dissertation you get on."

" I've read about -- for everybody who let me bring it -- involvement recently gave a talk at this monthly thing in the in New York governor -- about the history and voluntarism -- 3040 minute lecture on history and ball. And a kind of devoted not healthy portion of my life studying the history -- Anytime I can you'll get a chance to spread the gospel and the truth in the history of this amazing game and happy to -- it."

" It will get some images we got some old great old videos are gonna dive and that's true nerd talk this afternoon show -- might -- miers and Osama used to seeing the middle name. People bomb them almost they're doing that with -- to clean and more us at an and -- I quit Courtney -- Myers from Forbes we appreciate you coming -- she's technology writer thanks so much first time here on the show thank you for having me absolutely and also joining us via Skype this afternoon first time on the show. The great web developer you know you leveraging -- for parties joining us from smarter where dot org thanks so much for joining us you have to throw -- show. The easiest means -- not to be here live via Skype in San Diego so you are I think you're going to be -- defective -- way. That about you what you -- thinking what you're the first person I think you've got before even Google got it didn't come."

" Aunt I was -- developer preview links -- in June yes I think I've been playing around with an early build the waves you're you know this summer until now."

" So yeah this was a big news of course this week -- wave finally released to at least -- 100000 people. It was a fever pitch so on -- you watching this on eBay watching this on now on Twitter. Before trading him to get invites. To global wave was -- over hyped right from the beginning. That's a group."

" We'll have to do that in Gmail started in but only I have friends are still begging for Google place invites. -- you know our next topic they're selling on eBay for someone bid 27000 dollars 27000 dollars."

" With the new currency you've invited. Hype machine right now -- I mean no at my insurer and that we actually gonna hear a much money port. But it's it's it's kind of it's crazy but what people want what we can't -- and when you put this out there and he gets great reviews. And if they only excimer people have this thing that's why does not exceed demand that people do whatever the Pentagon."

" I think the most -- part about this is it's actually. Actually who's actually paying for all these things and -- side. That I didn't -- solve my problems."

" takes a good man who admit that. -- let let's toss to you and how we gonna throw up some screen shots here and John can collect his thoughts of the efficacy and then people on train today is actually a life. Take us through at least try to give us a layman's definition if you had an elevator pitch to try to explain to my mom. What Google wave is in an elevator ride. Looking at some of these images would you be able to do it."

" It's difficult to explain so these pitching -- as what email would be if -- were invented today he was invented before the -- for a block for a Mickey PM for reading comments. And so it. Uncle -- is like email. On track it's like instant messenger and email and -- in one school."

" In your my browser. And so being able to collaborate in real time I mean I guess the real question is when -- having these discussions about global wave is this. Could this be applied to just about any application I -- is that would Google's hoping for here. But I think it's really it's it's incredible the connections that -- been around for a long time virtually un updated. And you know very old a lot of weight -- things just don't work so well these days -- have a really long string of reply messages. He gets very unwieldy especially -- and bring somebody else since the conversation the -- and read this kind of ridiculous and you -- multiple. -- threat and to go away just like few -- who did what to a conversation when it wasn't very easily. That rich media like videos and movies and files and music and other little outside widgets so it takes that text documents -- next level -- rich media. -- easily share ball club verbal and can really popular features -- playback feature. We can literally see what changes -- over time to concede who made what changes win and go back to previous versions or something you missed. So yeah I mean and this is really the interesting thing -- because I know --"

" talking about that that on this we can Google this past -- with Leo you -- playing in real time back and forth with collaborating on documents. And I know you -- look at I spoke to -- yesterday -- a look. You know it's it's not ready for prime time yet obviously it's a lot of bugs to work out they. They didn't they don't want rolled out on national television yet because look they've still got a lot of it's about a lot of bugs to work out -- still in beta still ironing this -- out what -- your experience playing with this so far."

" It's gotten much better overtimes -- started in June and it was super crashing unstable. This -- need to educate users the beta is is much sleep much smoother and more stable than it was. I'm isn't gonna -- it's still a long way to go. -- The important thing to understand about the way it is is that might you know it's a protocol that's that's it's the city is not just Google only so so Google who made -- not this week is Google's server software client software -- any company. -- server software we use our software and wait client software. And those consultant and hundreds federated which means like email you can send email to those the European server and it gets to somebody else's regardless of the company and you're asked what software you using and we work the scene -- really exciting. Andy card that's really exciting he's actually extensible some -- any company that has service -- gadget or a -- an extended leave and well there. Product into race."

" Yet and I mean looking at -- crunch here John is that something that. Yes -- the future of actually being able to work with writers from around the country doing different things does -- excite you DC ways he -- be using this. On the in the same way that we've been able to use Gmail and corporate Gmail in her own domain we use that specifically for our business. Just all very you know essentially yeah and something like -- would allow us to do chat would allow us to you know allow us to -- document sharing. As a journalist it's important because you can actually share documents so that the people sort of build things Italy. And personally have you have a list of things that you've already done that you can go back to which is fairly important I respect."

" Equity you've that you were just working on a -- for Forbes on telepresence. And you're looking at this looking at who wave. I mean I know you've got like go to meeting -- this could this would put those companies out of business. -- I had eggs I think -- all the companies like go to meeting or these other businesses you -- other business is built around this idea of having you know chat you have. You have -- Google chat now built in if you had if you had -- operating in the same way that some of these other companies -- able to share documents in real time and you're paying a premium for it. For pro model you might pay upwards of a couple hundred bucks or something have access to that stuff I mean yeah it's free go Google -- well you know it."

" I don't know what it will become I don't know if -- I don't think -- Twitter FaceBook I don't think they'll replace Cisco Microsoft but. Does have -- price advantage. Yeah. I think I'm the coolest parts of our global wave is from a student's perspective when you have great project you might go and edit your teacher can go ahead and seat. Not pulling their weight in the project -- a it could be a new version of an online --"

" That's pretty exciting Jeanine do you think that would happen I mean actually colleges we get on board with this and and use that and a student to teacher in her face."

" I don't know and I think that telecommuting and and working remotely groups were cruelly on the Internet over you know across the country through time zones. This will enable that to happen you know much more easily. And the way it is and it is a killer to kill any social. Now works are -- gotomeeting out of business I mean I -- I think it's gonna complement those things it's gonna enhance those things and we'll look -- for example is smart they'll need to Google and gadgets to that you can be in -- and you can pop open a remote desktop. Connection -- gotomeeting very easily."

" Yeah so you can -- probably but -- I think we'll -- this as a wave of collaborate in real time about a -- you know -- with the -- called up from my perspective is that there's there's other ways out there right now happy to share documents online amicable documents and his other things out there. Delighted to be in real time but the real magic about this is bad it. You know most of those programs -- now we can and real time collaborating feed the changes pop up and it's involving -- yeah really that's probably something people use them but you probably use them John they've used them but most people to have him. Because it's from Google -- people use and trust -- already have accounts with its really gonna put like over the tipping point the idea of real time collaboration. Where you -- watching on your screen it changes your friend in Bangkok is doing while -- going on and that's really crazy. And it would it really does it's really cool is the gets rid of the idea of multiple threads with -- for change so think you're working in an article -- journalists. Recent changes to an ad aired -- since he just went and there. But if things get split up along the way different and -- two different changes in working a different documents becomes really confusing mess. Because -- as one centralized document -- makes changes to. And sees the changes occur -- things happen it really to streamline things. If -- create efficiencies and a lot of different business agility ask you when you're making a -- this when he got changes in real time you're going back over wasn't one that one of the main concerns within that. If you're changing so -- changing simultaneously. Are change how is that stored house one person trumping the other person already stored separately how does that work."

" It's actually quite kind of -- will bring because if you and someone else or editing the scene part of even the -- time. You need it appears next year cursor CD actually gonna play his game you can chase the cursor is and -- text changing every time it's keystroke -- strip and it's it's fast and it's also kind of commodity and -- Our quarter over time that each person Meeks and stored on the server and -- very quickly and it is it's an -- experience at -- it it really -- kind of -- office. Is working -- feature original then yeah -- you're -- need to -- you know injury last -- and -- numbers against each keystroke for -- all your typos as you make them and believe me I need lots -- and it's really kind of embarrassing to wait -- it is vacancy mean you know direct descendants and back -- and sales and yeah yeah it's it's a socially and -- burgers the --"

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" I love yeah. They're all these yet -- saying now waving at me."

" We have an event I guess -- gotta be willing but John what what people saying. On what we -- saying about it when this biz buzz this week and excited about it. They're really makes that I mean the the trick is the way added you know change business you change the way you handle -- change -- folders. And this is gonna change the way you handle documents on -- business and a lot of our a lot of our readers on the techcrunch side which is more of the services side. Are fascinated in terms of in terms of business opportunities and how to actually -- little applications that other people can use to section application platform as well sort of widget platform. And from the get decide we just like cool stuff so yeah -- a fascinating book."

" Well up CME how many of you have invites here he is -- ask Google about an eighth of an active in the press yet surging -- very very lucky enough probably worth a lot of money in the what I was a developer and it really want it I guess the thing is they want probably did you get and by. It's coming -- thing. And I have. -- But John you let -- where -- that the judge under rubble as well there's a quarantine and got us over the top. Apparently that's cyber thriller where two people simultaneously -- a document like racing against each other as if it's. It found that -- though because if it's a cyber thriller movie -- have to have sound effects and a lecture you and then you'll hear like the little -- popping up throughout. Can -- that yet that it's going to be exciting so is pretty exciting stuff I mean I think you know. I think the idea was -- a 100000 people finally getting into it was a pretty lonely pool at the first time right you never know that no one but a few people you -- actually collaborate with on this."

" It was very lonely so I was invited to this the developer preview in June and there's I mean I think six Alice -- and -- and I think people on and so. It became socially acceptable to just. Finding any one safe quiet on the I don't know do you and and I can easily and but can show you what you know what I Townsend became this sort of this place where anybody can approaching 1000 -- and -- beach and I don't I don't. -- I did so little time expected wonder you know what it's going not workers --"

" The in my in -- a half on an -- and annoy you by chasing your cursor around -- sweet little hit series -- You can show over the ropes -- All right so if anybody has any questions about who always send them in now as we're continue with the show and -- Weighing in saying they're hoping for -- invite Syria had been told they were getting some people were saying on Twitter. The other big news this week from the gadget world was of course he has to go. Finally out in -- is saying with this thing since 63. Or even -- but before that. -- sixteen gigabytes of internal storage no UND that's of course I guess the big news so any of your legacy. You pick any of your legacy games from the PlayStation. Portable they're not going to be able throw in here without you -- now we --"

" That this. I mean it's much smaller it's much letter. A little bit nicer than the PSB. Actually they got my PSP today and I noticed how huge it was I mean yeah -- the UMB drive takes a lot of space in there. The the biggest kicker is gonna be the the fact that you can get. The game that you -- purchased on there for free. Right or for discounted rate or something just just actually not that. That you -- actually existed at some point play and Sony's history -- ambassadors to suit its USB -- so you're not you're not able to get it. It is -- you have to get the game's first put."

" Wanna -- and and then dump it over -- and actually US be thinking -- download so it uses the over there isn't Wi-Fi could download the game sort of like what the iPhone does for example. The problem is that the games they have they're they're promising put every single game they have -- UND. On this story that you can buy but they're gonna cost more in the -- So even though they're coming at the physical media there's so charging a premium to battle mode in it's kind of ridiculous because. The whole point digital media that you don't have to produce anything to be cheaper yeah and so I think a lot people are very upset about that I think the price -- 250 dollars. -- little feet from what people are looking for its fifty bucks less than yesterday with the blue rate player for example."

" Why and what -- 199 now for an iPod touch. We're seeing casual -- the same size I I I was noticing is like different a lot of different tech blogs out there. Over the past few days we're showing. They would compare it would hold it up next to an iPod touch and it seems to be a field they're playing with that now. And you -- this -- now. We think. It's pretty fast to the -- much faster. I don't know that I mean -- going to be the big Christmas is it going to be one of the big Christmas items were not."

" You're gonna lot of frustrated kids who already have a PS you've had a for a few years -- and and who wanna play their games on -- and going to be able to bring enough to purchase these games -- so it's sort of a panel of allowance. Stealing system there. -- condone in here. If it's a beautiful piece of hardware and it is. Faster powerful probably if it's a great thing but if hobbled by all the things that probably came from corporate board -- physically ready but that means a big company a lot of divisions -- got their music and movies that -- Blu-ray they're gaming. And -- have to kind of -- key to each other. And Sony of course convinced that the team but he -- do they don't know what they think the company that until several years ago you -- put an entry is under visual. I think there's traditionally very that's -- about things like that. And -- this system which is a wonderful piece of hardware that if you could do things like to read all casual games like an iPod touch -- not -- the -- five bucks in the great. If he could take -- your own you empty cans and put him on this thing and just leave them there the secret that you can't yeah and it's it's -- one and there's opponent of the greatest notebook so it's wonderful piece of hardware that is hobbled by Elvis -- Yeah -- what are your impressions on -- play with the yet."

" I haven't played -- I'm actually really -- monsignor anyhow."

" Let's -- you've got wave we've got -- his -- yeah."

" Yeah I mean Sony I think. It's interesting because it seems to -- with them a movement towards getting rid of you indeed if finally realizing -- we can't keep developing its proprietary -- you have this proprietary format. And I think it -- was gonna get on board with that. We can actually finally. Get on board with dropping UND. What they just -- this past week with some other so -- a few weeks ago this Sony e-book readers well I'm actually. Moving towards an open format with the -- of format actually putting you know you club with the -- Sony Reader so I don't know. Votes on whether or not there's gonna be the big the big holiday game device."

" I don't know why they're violent tied with nothing. Have a few more functions. About a big gamer."

" I think the big holiday game devices prior to India and no one -- we I mean that we still woman and I and it's been hard to get and you have a whole. You have a whole yeah. I guess a cohort of children her. Growing up it's going to be up five or 62 are ready for -- this year so there's gonna keep buying -- is coming from somebody -- you to -- not like we have this and if a yeah that price drop is huge and it's how many more years I mean it was like two years worth of like shortages for the week when I mean 07 we couldn't get -- eighteen months he could it was again."

" Possible fine with you on -- so I'll be curious to see how well this doesn't. So thanks for -- in -- Should for the wrong address. The house not at the office. So weigh in anatomy curious to see how many people are planning on buying a PS. -- what's the alternative device -- besides the iPod touch that. That you think. I mean invented the estimated -- yes it is. When you look at the DS and forget the iPod touch for Christmas you look at -- Nintendo DSC look at the PSP go who's who's the winner for the holidays but it. I was has -- I'm curious and and the sales in the slightest lighting on them on the --"

" Says -- DS and you can still get fairly good games and that's really popular with a certain age group. This is for more hardcore gamer just sort of like who's dedicated. And even those guys for example I just saw something called the -- Which is -- crazy Chinese device which runs a lot of emulated games from. Back in and ninety's. So the guys who were. They're they're aiming for there are going to be fascinated by the danger more than they would even be fascinated by that -- think there's a hundred dollars for illegal it's clear it's it."

" It's somewhat. If we can play and -- games and how many games come on that thing it all depends on where you buy it so that I mean I think on eBay you can get it with nothing on there -- himself he -- here to Chinatown. -- a little bit about geo location. Genealogy kick this off this week because. That it was some back and forth this week about Twitter finally. Rolling out their geo location. -- stuff so I guess and I haven't played -- it was -- and problematic. What are your impressions of it we're gonna talk a little bit about what Robert Scoble -- which I think is funny because he's checking in. This is what people know where he lives so we'll check in at a hotel near where he lives but you take it away on what Twitter -- this week in your impressions."

" So -- releasing in the API inability for you want to hurt to eat a basis or in your profile to include. A geo location information which is you know when you're developer that's that means latitude and longitude coordinates. So you can be at the beach and say hey well maybe you -- the -- You -- a concert today. Yeah great concert in New York you know check me out and include classic Monty -- it's great to meet a political rally on all our events. Thumb and it's just seeing it there it's -- classic -- coordinates and lets you search and and -- will let you search insane how many people in New York City. -- are around this area and -- you know and saw what happened you know one plane landed in the Hudson thank. -- relocation. Raises a lot of interesting issues around privacy and security. Unless you don't want to be their locations the track. And -- this off by -- he had to explicitly opt in and say I do want to share completion. I'm -- going to be starting location data from their database after fourteen days if you do share location after fourteen days they're gonna need that from Andy Andy's. I don't see avoidance of the -- because you know you you you wouldn't want them you know the blocking it get involved and say -- was this person you know on the streets at this time on -- day and whatever happened at the end and it would be they would have to provide that data."

" This kind of freaky and I think there is this. Idea I mean you know for instance -- than out of how many people here -- out of my iPhone and -- I used to like four times. Because it couldn't figure out why I would want to tell people exactly where I was at all times and this is -- and -- I guess. -- I want to be near a place -- in New York City located on in New York City I don't need people -- know that I'm at 43. And Amsterdam. I mean do we like this vagueness or. If your kids -- the kids don't seem to -- them are wrong about that."

" Think the best example I could think of as when I was in Paris actually recently. Paris and I had a I had a Twitter program and actually did all -- location for you it wasn't actually part of twitters AP diary. -- system that it was part of the program itself and I found all the twitters the guys between near me in Paris. And I found the guy he speaks English and I asked him. Where's a good restaurant personally. And that was extremely useful that's useful might not be so useful Paris -- New Yorker with a bigger cities but in smaller town could. Find people like minded people who are of the same kind of things if you so that's. That's a valuable aspect that -- location but in terms of like saying I'm exactly here right now come find me that's -- right because couldn't you just."

" Rollout on Twitter and -- Paris. Where can I get some good pastry and you're likely they don't need to be near you to tell you that I mean they're likely to. If they're on Twitter -- if they're using it they just feel so old but -- I was -- last -- get a check out this you know it. Whatever. The -- pastry shop with the -- they're answers yeah but what do these that was it twinkle that was an iPhone that was iPhone. Geo location -- I think had that."

" At the -- occasion so yeah. I think sportswear which doesn't have built into your location it kind of -- system that have been telling people where you are but they can only opens your friends. And you can budget if you want to but what's really -- about foursquare and I can see this being in advance for other duplication thinks is you can feel -- go. Seven people I know we're this far now maybe if you fund thanks for me to drop by as well as it's kind of fun to kind of -- Would think the hive mind of your friends. You'll -- from doing any given moment yeah. -- this I mean is this. Is is the future of social media and do we or is there always going to be his -- we was gonna have like the separation."

" I think it's really interesting how. We why. So much information I think they're -- it anyway you know. Every step -- take it -- Texas programs now increasing Internet intelligence that the second it's -- freak out."

" Or do we don't advocate and had kids are on FaceBook and don't care how much information they're putting out there yet and adults -- sort of like -- wide. I didn't need to know they were at that party -- like they don't. But this stuff out there but they do and they don't mind telling people that had just checked in on that to pull -- on 42 and whatever."

" So everyone knows they had to polling yesterday at that one spot looks -- like it it is a bit are -- and it's kind scary but people aren't giving up that preaching conflict. Everyone -- has -- got some idea that their phone number it's like. Geo -- making it official."

" do we do we own that information I mean if we able to go back if they're getting rid of it after fourteen days this might be something that I would want personally. And I would have some sort of standard of station of all my geo location data that I would want -- have access to eventually but there's really no standard for the Twitter gets rid of it. They -- that stuff don't think it's."

" Well thank you own everything -- it's like you won't repeat -- but your question about whether or not you'll be able to download kind of like your own historical location data over time yeah at first and you will not because they will delete the data after fourteen days since this stuff gets this and I think that if -- subpoena issue I don't think they're gonna do it. And forever and they -- released today in an excellent fuzzy you're you're -- agency seeing -- premiere is an area only times that they don't have not historical data about about people and there are encouraging a Twitter application developers who also -- that that historical tracking data so that so that they won't get -- and to -- it was this -- users say -- at this point on this day. --"

" Didn't you write something too about did you were. I don't know what you you actually -- did you write a program. That actually went back was able to pull all of your Twitter data remember you talking about this -- one point forgive me if I'm wrong about that did you do something like that."

" I did I didn't angry at him until their client list which essentially on. It backs up and I'm scenes on her treats to your own server and your friends who eats and applies to its needs and so dumb because there's -- down and because the -- winners -- sent out -- you can't if you treated more than. 3200 times you can't get -- older than other actually sixty -- can't -- developers and they said that it that you are gonna be -- McDonald you're tired Twitter are that's what you wish me happy thumb."

" I can only about how massive that thing is that we're glad I'm not getting an -- that -- yeah. These are enormous and they're fragmented and you know from -- performance reasons you know -- did you know the minute currency."

" Versus versus -- I -- would you throughout smarter -- dot org you asked yes the question how you feel about you location features in Twitter and other web apps. One question you asked if we could respond -- freaks me out I don't -- web sites tracking me enough services do. Enough services you already have my credit cards cell phones -- 2827%. Responded that was the overwhelming. One -- that it freaks me out. 24% says it's so exciting. And 40% said it freaks me out but I might try cautiously seems full of possibilities good and -- 40% that was the one it freaks me out but I might try cautiously -- not really. It's that's sort of a good way to describe how people feel about you location in general anyway yeah."

" Yet -- I think. According to unseal key -- it as just another visa did you -- it -- Oklahoma. I mean when you when you create a social media profile you. But you know you and -- picture yourself you that you name your website you choose to share a little instant information is he could that -- present yourself the way you want to be represented I think that's -- location data is similar."

" Let's talk about Jeremy were -- we'll talk about this next story we have right now which is about apple and Google. I don't know maybe it's further. Truth of them breaking up or whatever but we learned this week that apple had purchased I guess a few months ago actually. A map a map company. Further evidence that made -- moving away from Google. In this and so not having to lie and lean so heavily on Google we think. Plus there is that means that that they can Eric Schmidt. -- need to. I think they're setting up for about titan."

" Think about a battle -- I think this is what to do with Google and that's what apple inevitably moving stronger in the US market. I think to give -- a year before we have -- apple branded stand -- GPS navigator. All or an apple brand excess returns iPhone two the accessory parts that are now. -- Brendan. GPS device is just going to be weird. I think it lets you move to a more to do with their desired movement -- US market."

" becoming was called place base. And I guess. -- Waldman. Was the founder and CEO now he's been brought on to apple. As part of their GO team at Apple. But it's interesting though I mean. -- we look at this with the whole back and forth between Google having to rely on you know stuff that emulates -- latitude got to -- app store was not was not able to be approved a few weeks ago Phil -- himself. Did not approving the Google Voice -- also. Latitude. And because it emulated the maps functionality in the iPhone which was the reasoning from apple we've we've been marred. But the maps functionality comes from global. Digital map to within the -- I mean if seem to be ridiculous in my wrong."

" you're not wrong it is it is kind of ridiculous and I think it didn't voice. Squabble and CD -- hasn't quite a bit been resolved yet I don't think it is is -- I do agree that the that this is going to be wild things."

" So where we go from here do you think there's a full break up enemy we see. You know Google rolls out applications for the iPhone and end up being better than they are on -- in on android in many in many respects there. There either of the actual Google -- if and obviously he's better on. On the iPhone that is on enjoyed."

" The key here is talking about android and android is going to be. The low end phone operating system for the next few years it's gonna start coming into more and more phones like the Motorola RAZR for example like these feature phones Palin and -- for. None on books or even much less. And and it's going to kick all the other stuff that we're used to these weird little operating systems that these that the case that the companies are using. Yeah to the curb and it's gonna replace all that stuff so android is gonna become immensely popular in the next few years. It's -- Replaced the most part on the low -- something like -- Windows Mobile phone. Blackberries -- remain. It's gonna survive in that respect. Android is a major threat to the to the target audience of apple -- who are they just sort of like these casual users -- adopters are excited about technology but. Don't care that it has this this -- this but they just want some in the works well."

" I think I don't -- here played with you know -- to see here -- we're said he sees more fully baked versions of android. And certainly feel like a more complete operating system we're starting to see developers really -- on the starting to feel more full. Certainly from the G1 we have with the G1 last year. Compare -- comparing Democrat contrasting to it's -- different. -- different ecosystem now you android is evolving really quickly and it's moving they could start having someone foreigners in the G1 only for about a year. And now suddenly we're seeing doesn't popping up to it's really attracted -- phone manufacturers. Because very few phone manufacturers have in house expertise to develop a really compelling operates. To look at average Motorola RAZR for instance nobody knows how you navigate the thing if the Mets -- really terrible OS. So for them to build its gonna borrow and sort of put into their phones it's extremely appealing to -- have a phone that -- you know people know how to navigate it -- it -- have -- to make sense. It's got app -- get all this great so they just don't have to worry about so awkward. So an -- that takes us off or heavy lifting of the company's -- rather focus on the hardware. And other companies like apple and -- who make -- and -- while. They're the ones who have put their guns blazing and he'll head to head against this army of other phones from Samsung and Motorola Nokia and what Ralph gonna make them. -- Q what have you written -- your impressions as of late of android."

" Hello Andrew and I switch from iphones and dread because as a you know Bruce -- and got. Performance open platform it's open source and I'm actually talking you know on my G1 which is not a great -- but I -- elegant drag it can run on some of the -- ads and more an awfully big persons coming out that the new -- coming -- very excited about it. I doesn't nearly have you know that the market. -- and the iPhone does but it's it's gotten much more excited about it's I love Google Voice I'm it's my primary phone number I can use it more easily on android. And Ahmadinejad and this is -- so so I lot of promise when the hundred if if who handles the marketing -- Indians it because you not agree devices. It's gonna -- bright future."

" you're talking this -- a G1 I hope it's plugged in because battery. Runs about twenty minutes --"

" And I'll -- easy yeah."

" Let's talk about this I I. Trying to dig up the article here as I -- the wrong link here but so WIRED Magazine this week posted. Posted a story about the ten things we know about the apple tablet this elusive legendary apple happened if it. As -- try to pull up the the article. According what what were your impressions from from. This piece anything -- think you that we now know that we didn't know before or is still this mythical device."

" I think it's definitely coming I. There's no doubt about that. I really liked Brian -- do about it and it's very mysterious phone call conversation."

" Saying I didn't even think that there -- deals the magazine publishers in this -- publishers really take an e-book market let's yeah I've."

" Have been told that."

" The future of publishing will be see it -- obviously needs renovation and LB -- we have something tangible that we can hold that they commuters can read on the -- bridges I and -- I think it's have a has -- potential to be that."

" Yeah. Let's go through some of -- we -- and I love the picture that if you if you check on the wires here. Okay this is good for this giant iPhone with like thousands of apps scattered across the front of it. So. It things we know Steve Jobs -- had a heavy hand. In via travel development. It's gonna launch and early 30. We believe that we don't know -- yeah that what do you think --"

" We really know anything yeah. There really from crackle and meeting. -- let's say I don't know anything can happen you eat you never now."

" Yeah it's going to be very interesting rumors saying that it's gonna they're gonna announce -- around January. -- and because of FCC regulations you have to show. Your device the FCC. Is six months in advance I don't mean that it would come in just about may. The goal there being that they wouldn't have to show. They can announce the device they can have it senate the FCC people can find it leaked it and talk about it for six months you know upset about it and made it can launch it. And that's entirely feasible -- because when they launch the iPhone launch -- right around C yes. They preempted any discussion. Of PCs or anything else that's the yes the other launch the iPhone. And the plan would -- launch -- right around the same time the CS -- just blow up the PC industry for about half a year. --"

" Yeah I mean I that would be fascinating so the other things we're seeing that in this the first time we're seeing some actual. -- deep dive in info about this thing his moto is claiming that the there's going to be two versions of -- one we'll have a webcam. Perhaps -- video conferencing while the other is going to be an education style place. And the camera could tablet make more sense and -- three G equipped tablet they say. And that could be something we also see three G -- tablet. Violence is saying that. It's gonna cost between 70900. Bucks. Good price point. -- For the average consumer and I -- was -- get a netbook to 300 bucks yeah I mean. I just -- still trying to wrap my head around how this fits in in my life the."

" Need to convince people we need this -- in charge so much money and I don't think they have yet maybe they may announce have been of six months for developers make applications for and people get excited about. -- commit themselves they need it right now nobody has -- everybody's going by just fine."

" You know it will be good for them -- is when it does. Mass audience in the price does -- is they are you have iTunes to distribute yeah what -- real popular yet time and selling all of that through this distribution process it's gonna be really easy."

" I mean that's the real key gene -- the iTunes experience that's what's been holding back -- mean that's been the criticism of some of these other Smartphones we've seen it's the iTunes distribution channel that has been really. The big selling point it's getting the apps to people it's getting the content people forget the devices themselves so much it's the ecosystem --"

" It is it is independents and Redlands community line I have iPod touch you know because -- the -- experiences is great and I and I love iTunes and and I think you know -- saying products and on the excited to see when it's a tablet does come out. And I think that -- you know get some additional -- will be huge."

" For sure. As a development -- how much time you need is a heads up -- if you. To Johns point there are gonna roll it out. Put it put it through the FCC six month lag time giving -- time for people get excited about developers to get on board how much time as developer would you need to. Good to build viable applications for device like this."

" This. Full and that is gonna run the I -- is that is that -- the only its own state yeah. Woke up again -- mean."

" We don't know yes -- yeah I think -- you there."

" But of the that'll look really you're playing and we'll give up about -- what. Really weird -- blown up the things he kind of got. Besides I mean deflation that if they're gonna have to have specialized apps for this and he'll also run them but -- And it's likely they'll be off fanatics are key going to thing -- you've played with your view that more like be fun attacked -- he -- and that's a good fun."

" You don't even if they can import the -- that's that's not scheduled to hear it and that they need specialist for seven or nine inch screen whatever that is. What what what we're talking about data from moving away from the apple tablet you -- check -- that articles -- read because we're finally seeing some of these dispatches and I spoke to high level apple person few weeks ago. And told me you know that end of October soon we're gonna see iMac refresh so therefore. -- not likely -- tablet the next few weeks do you really don't think it would roll out tablet with an iMac refresh --"

" They try to they try to compartmentalize all the news and -- like an iMac refreshes gonna get a certain subset of these excited whereas -- tablets just gonna blow up the Internet for. Three weeks so there's no chance of that."

" This is -- this week in the -- before we talk pinball that. Bond and get out here your iPhone or your iPod touch where you have -- there because it's -- course -- makers of the ARCO Arena in the app store. Have done it again with -- great app to auto tuning -- It's called I MT pain. Yeah hey hey hey -- airplane with before but this is you know you seem like out of in the news and -- And underpinning inflict the most reviled and overuse production -- these -- but thanks to this I am keeping in program which wants my current location because. It's -- that you could come. Did it. -- you anybody alternative though that the -- and the planet has to give -- you know what I'm left that I was a video of the doubt in my office. What the just -- you can laugh at them working that. -- Yeah I called it doesn't you know if -- it it doesn't play an opening you disagree. Let's -- and speaker -- the area theaters yet. But united and -- so we there ago. Does it playback will play the -- Now you record it. Yeah and I -- at -- karaoke. Welcome to sofa like peeping Thong and the words -- record and wouldn't boot up your chest I noticed that some obviously some of the previously selected stuff. -- Kevin heading here is iPhone suck on what -- and I think this -- away from me haven't. So I we can't I was taken actually you know what I do have a little example of it here. Playmaker gamut -- she -- at what she. --"

" I -- different kinds and his two year old son CT VCs and honesty and it and it was the cutest thing I've heard all year."

" If it's really honestly the best three bucks us then it's off so it's on -- out till Saturday and everything that -- again like that. I don't think I'm I want my two dollars -- meal and an event I'm on a boat caught and I just have to pop up please give a boat we could face at this. But here's an example of yes."

" Pretty funny stuff so check that out. That was one of the big hits in the app store this week are those talks and pinball Seth yes. You give a speech what two weeks ago and yeah night we -- him. Really pissed because they couldn't make it says get up that you know 4 AM -- conference I couldn't come you're -- night. -- extravaganza."

" What were you talking about. -- but history can ball which is crazy and most people realize is actually legal and new York and both of the other big cities in America. For three decades and when you said that's -- why why in the world is an illegal act will repeal was in in people it was a game of chance and upscale and the logic -- of the time the thirties and forties yeah with a therefore it was -- So it -- and also there's perception that was run by the mob like there's this movie they can on the thirtieth. -- the bullets -- which Humphrey Bogart played this mobster who's involved in the Campbell. And so. Which of the month after Pearl Harbor mayor LaGuardia and directs the city's police force -- start reading the mall owners encompassing all the machines make it. Thousands of them just a couple of that it's -- and they have these big barges and a compliment Long -- So you we have some video here you know this was huge speaking -- and I about pinball. Owning the stage yet in this video what are we seeing here we see you LaGuardia appear on the ball -- Yeah if he go ahead Kevin -- role for volume here. Yeah. You figure things -- wouldn't that in the machines that come behind them airman. And they breed and colors because these -- public aware of -- the -- Belgrade to threaten them with keeping it simple machines. -- the Guardia please commissioner with smashed the ball machines with sledgehammers or push them over and the need compliments incidents out. It's very yeah still out there I think maybe someday defense couldn't dream yeah. Great so how much I think -- been comfortable. -- how you gambling on pin ball well with it. There is no different ways that would go on one -- you know put a penny in the two pennies out. The other way in -- still kind of what's done in Japan with Chico several -- getting around him when life if you win we'll be called free games. And he could trade and that's for games for money. The -- kind of roundabout or Japan with and it's you win the prize and in return the prices for us. So there's lots of waves kicking around the laws but -- it was totally crazy Andy began in most of America so I love it in your article by the way got to go to popular mechanics and and read that's great piece on this. So not only was it band then it was also then it went into hiding yet so explain that's so him all he can't just you know. And you can wait I think that does -- it becomes something that only outlaws the Oklahoma City -- and it's really CD. Underground game that kind of relegated felt the the porn shops mostly so if you knew the right people you might know -- what occurred in the pullback in which -- the planet Obama's. And it's -- not for thirty years. -- Involved with underground in your -- police were still breeding -- that -- moments and it wasn't until 1976. Which is after. Album Tommy -- The Who came out. That involve legalize the and I love you point out that -- became a symbol of rebellion in Hollywood yet and even like what fast time to respond Iowa went that would -- that there are. They think they think he's he's accused there was always seen as like. US had a rag tag group of kids who hang out the pizzeria played in the fall on would do it as well any movies that were -- film -- took place during this period oftentimes can balls like him a metaphor rebellion. So quick weight gain across the audience this -- asked them there is -- pin ball and instantly an audience of register at this time. -- is doing something legal he knows that equivalents on somebody into frogs -- I think somebody today that -- reefer madness to think we commend the -- mom and the please scroll through the article here and what else would -- So. What else you say you go on to where we now -- it. Well today there's only one company left in the world making demolishing it's kind of crazy because they used to be well there's one company everything Chicago hope stern and -- And they have dispatcher had been there a tablet really want to spa treatments that have -- got. You know -- when -- emotions but at this point -- really -- McCain to -- And I felt like thousands and thousands -- had to be combined and perfect synchronicity nordic machine to work and it's somehow managed to be done. And it's being done in its assembled in America today it was kind of remarkable because most things aren't symbol of America anymore and they work and there. -- out there filth like -- American domestic enterprise and ethnic. What's your fear and -- you. I think the one right under the twilight. That's actually -- twice within a favorite is just kind of and it's time extremely complex game but here's the Playboy one well he actually have been three or four -- what machines over the years have fun because Hugh Hefner is a huge play -- Campbell and at the -- of it but what. -- You know value in New York City had to him all I didn't know at the Pennsylvania two well in New York -- one -- others Chicago or the -- to us. So cool what your high score. -- it depends what it was. -- pinball machine there's actually some political pinball games for some Smartphones to right. -- immigrant getting a big deal involves something it never really appealed to me and I think a lot of couldn't tilt it you couldn't tell them but also it just kind of board. Yeah there's some I think it. All the what does that say similar table like the one with a little -- amazed lovers I think that's -- from might be a precursor. Of them before that but it. There -- early and all credit this is him on the Smithsonian and shirts and I have that he might have to make a pilgrimage. Can Dow down the -- I'll get a few minutes left and what's -- what this last story is about this is -- thing. Story that I saw about the way in our viewing habits I was sort of curious about the way in which people are watching news. Silicon Alley insider at a suggestion article this week that 2 PM now based on usage reports 2 PM is now the new prime time for watching content. Whether it's on Hulu on line so that makes this show. Prime time with with the heat of battle -- if you."

" It would guessing about that mean we're at work on this we're not waiting for the 630 news every nineteen since we are having -- involved -- what do you think about that."

" I think they saw a sense and so I Lifehacker dot -- do you want India always planned a big stories to go live at 9 AM Pacific which -- twelve which is all new Easter -- most of our our leadership was there sleazy yeah it's -- there are in -- times you know -- intelligent funny because it doesn't surprise ending."

" Yeah they would say don't ever schedule an interview to in the afternoon because that's when people that's when bosses are. There -- should be taking -- you because you just eaten. You -- after book that punt that post lunch -- You'll sleepy it's called the circuit in -- Texas time in the day when your body is kind of biologically prying eyes you've totally --"

" But yeah you're you're actually got to -- time -- do that you know -- and taken that take a lot of your brain isn't working at full tilt it -- And that is why you -- in about two. I've got is that we hear -- I mean how you how do you watch constant throughout the day you -- 639 to get home -- on the TV make dinner."

" 2 PM is is definitely you and I can break it and read like my theater quality partners that's the great after a blunt yes and -- something like. I bring to parity to get back at work yet. We've been."

" I mean that's that's kind of a good point means in terms of when stuff should go out I guess you could say some like noon. 2 o'clock maybe like 430 is just like that right spot we're -- we're just kind of really -- And unfortunately I haven't been in office for a few years that work in my pajamas if --"

" I'll blogger which is nice Thanksgiving just okay. America did you get away from what I'm wearing -- Lawrence -- today that it has it is -- my -- from her you know using Google yesterday of course you know they take a really force of forced upon the idea of taking breaks you walk victory at the -- roll through there have been around a pin ball you know they've got Iraqis -- moments -- I don't know it was the Playboy one. -- I don't know. It was -- version that option. I should suggest that the -- that's a great idea to Google and -- Well I wanna -- around the -- here -- we have one minute left geometric -- of course great web developer over at -- where not a -- when it -- of -- great having you on here and you can -- with Leo and Jeff Jarvis on this week in -- what are you working on you know besides all of that."

" No -- on Saturdays on the speaking Google -- hardware and plus mile -- mouth and you got newsletter and -- Japan."

" Great thanks so much you thanks for joining us John Biggs over -- working -- just look at the laptops this -- And saving people and -- he goes have been saving people with someone at -- thanks so much John thanks for joining us and support as we know what you're working on -- what -- working on that's pretty much had he says Clinton is devoted elected in the and inadequate in that someday I'll look back and on the home editors would be thrilled. Because popular mechanics -- some correlation is capable of and Courtney void Myers from Forbes I -- I. You -- those words we screw up -- similarly it's hearts on trying to get the middle name out properly working on over for."

" Well it's begin -- singularity summit. -- collection. -- interest in mind. Talking about the future but man and machine -- that. Check that out -- the fun begin taking -- to work -- Nice people."

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