'No Brainer'

" Begin with a that if you like just did a few minutes ago. We recorded this just moments ago we had to leave the building is a former fact he was the first Homeland Security BI used the word czar. And that I actually cabinet member and he was governor of Pennsylvania. Served in the Bush Administration his book made some waves when he talked about some of the conflict within the bush administration and the allegation. That for political reasons terror levels were. They were here they urged him to raise their levels we'll get that bit in this interview was well here's our talk -- just a few moments ago. With Tom --"

" That was and we certainly. Agree that people for guys who -- here in the office only -- in the White House he has an -- and -- and you're welcome back -- you decide. To put this -- Well her words I did a lot of speaking for many years there was -- income a lot of question we're nationals -- lot of money and that's what I anyway it was a great way to let her body of you know it it'll take care re elect Richard my show it was about a year. Nobody cares and urban it was great. How's that for secretary should include a virtual paper about the challenges environment successes and the steps. Respectively in eight or is doing and -- got your enemy is a medal which -- about about the back report -- the within the bush administration's so I think we get that a little grass back there in terms of the key to your book is what really hasn't been done what's -- the and I think that's meant to you people need to take this program 0%. And men all that our government we really care that we want to make it --"

" I appreciate that that are in question because I spent a lot of time trying to talk about institutional challenges -- personal people like to interpret them as personal. But toward the end -- are these experiences is that we're way ahead wooden things we need to do to make it safe or short term -- long term and I'd be delighted to."

" It's good so yeah let's have a lot maybe just back up her second life has some of this so we're gonna talk about been done all the."

" That's a great question and I struggled to find an answer urban one of the reasons I wrote a book was because I don't think America afford the luxury. A being complacent having said that when you take a look at to a -- things that I think you should began yesterday not. To -- today tomorrow. At the end the exit portion of our US physicist who got a lot of information people coming in this country since 2004. We don't know they've -- These we never -- this commands we don't have interoperable communications for these brave firemen police."

" They can't talk to each other still little battle exact an eleven commission its -- ties -- relations we have the technology we would dedicate similar broadband. In -- megahertz and let loose and video data and always. Connect and not just combat terrorism would be -- is like -- grant visas to. I don't know."

" I'm in my my view is is that -- again maybe it's eight. It's it's a crucial notion that you know the further -- we get the less inclined elected officials who body as you so certain cars. And I went this. Unattended on -- Which is okay that was the one that's been attended owned building -- say no work -- my respect as. An on going into Iraq. Some of that money it might have been better domestic and stuff like by the war on terrorism czar who we are you Larry I was gonna legitimate -- congress say in day. We respect and civility which is very important. But among all those resource and outside Iraq. Why we have expended money and trying to make cars first responders -- in giving him. Putting them in a better position to say to us who lives in jeopardy when -- there in the Bush Administration do this and saying gotta get sent usually well. The nine elevenths commission report came out -- was -- about a year. You before I left don't know we were pushing hard you his visit we got the first half up. According to congressional mandate. We never completed the second half even though I know some people lieutenant inside the agency try to do that never quite got there. The push back from the airline's push back and this -- of the airport authorities and seeing what's going on here. We've got all this information about the evil plot not a monopoly. But he -- stated we are we -- there's anymore -- not -- ever monitor whether."

" This is all you think this has followed the visas Miller's overstayed their -- those people. Because that was really the issue of these people and they weren't didn't -- the Mexican border this wasn't only a matter illegal -- legally OK it."

" It's similar to me and lastly with these is we would have known had expired now where we've been able to apprehend them -- that's just one step at a time. Right after 9/11 nation builder will happily they're interoperable communications had no idea what that hasn't happened that you and our viewers your -- Have you already know congress who is it would be a strong recommendation to congress has shortly this issue that mandate -- Federal Communications Commission do you believe the Obama administration is more focused on the right areas here as we see -- change how the new government are -- not we're still. Well zero -- to."

" Look at because a recent change of administrations I still think there are things to do the president has a very aggressive domestic agenda. I don't see much change in military approach in Iraq and Afghanistan much to the consternation of some people inside the -- and he's -- terribly -- A decision maker -- In regard to what is the strategy look at the objectives similar tactics really troops we need to accomplish these things in -- and and the only guy I find file -- I'm concerned about his single bag and trying to crush of people were conduct. That you and I might think is reprehensible what is not so."

" Look close -- Aren't sure we closed -- I never thought it was as much an issue as they have a process to keep people there I mean I was I say the book. If America is a product. And our values -- brand. And you don't undermined by undermining the brand your brand is I'm gonna give -- a piece of volcanic rock I don't know where do we we can't. We took too long to decide that they do have some countries are processing deceleration they're they're not."

" I was never comfortable with the idea of the president unilaterally decide to somebody's enemy combatant. The president can do that well."

" And obvious -- respect your daily news Clinton did not for traditional POWs. They don't embrace I mean they're not they don't fight for me countries treat him treated like yeah. I tell us -- I think they're pretty clear that everybody throughout that time thought they didn't just that with the push the -- to some people -- extremes and particularly with a waterborne."

" We you listen to -- administration to get a sense and I talk about is whether or not voice was -- an extension bent. As somebody has the upper left yeah."

" With regard this -- some initiatives we want and I I noted a couple clear -- we were pushed back and we lost legitimate debates internally to other departments and agencies -- pushed back -- bottled different structure for a for the department and regional regions well what a little bit and launched to try to -- much of the money the oversight. And that the networking that I think is really important. This is in this San."

" Review that he'll battle fighting democratically with other people in the administration perhaps out of the way of look -- an --"

" And it but it wasn't necessarily personal as a suicide or we want a big challenges that -- about in the book is a Cold War mentality that pre existed in the intelligence community law enforcement. Need to know I'll tell you when I think you need to know -- I need to know now finally I need to share let her out I would take the information you're allowed to give me from town to town. I think I gotta get to the cavs and the mayors in big city cheaply easily tell."

" I was bush was Cheney who is the star power structure open and you you talk a lot about Rumsfeld and talk about other people they made but it is a good. Thing about him but but really what was that structure that was a great --"

" There's every day you have heard people registered Democrats -- send -- an arm -- Grady commander -- up in the car. Militaries -- get a brief look who we've. What ladies and -- vanity intelligence we ought to be concerned about just in the past week or hours that'd be another section we're looking at things that happened before that. Going to the White House to sit down good -- and from the CIA -- a reason for my team -- and ought to an attorney general Ashraf Bob -- went outside and told that any. Way to send John Howard who -- shares from the side and that's gonna face a president of vice president. And then the conversation we thought this event that article who is on the -- have to wait I think what they're -- closure and it's it's a giant out and I -- that. That the president's first reason -- Overall. International community were talking about a -- in Korea. Venezuela Cuba. That would and then we move into a terror and any good and you this much upcoming. -- we. It's the toughest job in combating terrorism I think it's tough job and -- battlefield. I think America would be comforted to know it's that people true at all the tone. I know we -- consumer information so we had to rely upon what we were sent but my intelligent she could run. The Defense Intelligence Agency incredible -- retirement it's it's over he had to local phone calls -- a secure phone call this kind of -- to make sure they were all. Tracking the information -- some -- When they -- There was a need for media know or when we see press the start of the governors and mayors. We -- there's a helpless so much stuff. Whether -- monsters from about a month and there's no sign me that you look at his credibility we hear from that source before. It has its -- robbery was the target and they really serious about the target is anything they did the capability -- the consequences. It's an --"

" Our coverage by the -- there isn't this August 6 memo. President of daily briefing everybody talks about that there's gonna be this -- that it would use plane to commit acts of terrorism. And people would who are critical of the administration say about it pay no attention of that if only they had read it. Bush was in Crawford at the time."

" You know I think it's fascinating -- need to listen if -- the world -- every day of -- now Leon -- or -- George -- are even in my little world -- terrorism -- threats against America I'm not sure you leave your -- we wouldn't be doing -- yeah that's what a number I think just held on one -- a number I mean you know New York -- your city if we reacted Ray Kelly Mayor Bloomberg reacted to every threat there was -- potentially -- New York City. We just can't do they have to be thought hey you know which ones -- going to -- but there is a candidate they've they've -- bidders who. What is the source is what is the target and is there anything else out there in the intelligence world. That leads you to believe that there's a connection you -- I mean it it it is a very difficult process to determine what you need to act upon and sometimes all you do is send that advisories like we did the other day they did the other day saying look. Well we both of these guys figure backpacks or their cellphones sounds like Madrid sounds like one and that's what happened -- ask it anyway it's different just. Better major orders level."

" When he alert levels in the colors in retrospect a good idea what it is by the U that the late night comedy shows and make fun --"

" There's some great I -- a comedy show host of the book there was one it says green you're saying read you under you're in trouble. In Champaign future your attack -- Martha Stewart. Yeah. It happened that night I love that. Because I think it's a great way to communicate that information. We were numbers letters the album that words the good thing about it is that any and everybody takes us into. We need to do something five years ago we did it we chose the color is what we would never communicated if I thought we did that. How we would raise the system and that every color of a prearranged set platform of security measures as secretary of I'll probably feel very wisely said okay let's go back and look at it. We know when you did it and why did it there recommendations and so secretary Chertoff and actually sit down with a panel made some."

" Who is the ultimate decider as to what color the level maybe."

" It was the it was a consensus within the president's Homeland Security cabinet we would you eat you never know the number of times in that group -- attorney general Ashcroft and Rumsfeld. As Colin -- Tom Ridge FBI director and our senators -- bad news cameras when there was a consensus in the group to raise that we raised if the recommendation was made to the president. If there's no consensus."

" Nobody and I think they were just a Titanic it's like all the attention that it would ever done for political never purposes there where there was an effort. We got a reason now it's gonna help the president -- but I created -- but I created the impression you I have to admit to some missteps in the book. Do I that that. It's August it's between the conventions. We had a threat New York City northern New Jersey Washington hard drive Pakistani intelligence five financial institutions a service -- surveillance tapes. In raising the threat level that honeymoon. I'm -- the that we've made the decision Saturday. These are we gonna go -- Sunday we got Mayor Bloomberg noticed governor protect you know this is CEOs have been notified. I lot of the president's leadership for the same time -- revisions to federal appeals and out. Politics. I have never mentioned the presidency before. I don't recommend anybody ever reason have for a half that they said. And -- marginalized. My heart my -- what you say -- word about the president and that's speech aren't you are asked to sing and yet I -- but you know I don't -- within the White House for sending me a moment allow the president. I have been the ultimate Vito who have had to do it all over again and it -- you know sorry forgot to do whatever but I. I did I did it was -- it is -- I created probably wouldn't want -- because of limits that should have created probably say for now. As a country. I would say for six months or nine months of the Obama administration we were. When he took office and bring in another. Well I think there's any way to know but I do not see."

" Any you have the true reason for us to think the were less safe but the question isn't whether this administration with the support of congress would do some of the additional things that I think need to be down. We will be less safe. I think and this is incidental I'm not -- comfortable with the attorney general's decision to go back to prosecute people for convicting your -- I agree upon. Which torture gorgeous in the criminal but right now on an operational and operational point Beyonce get."

" What should be done now what should be the next few steps we've taken this very moment first look at the police and fire people talking."

" Well allowed to have -- factories I think that we got a plus up the Coast Guard their mission. I need to make more investments and -- with the technology of detection we've got plenty of folks out there we need a comprehensive immigration plan. Immigration policies not just southern border and elsewhere finish US visit system. I talk about it much bolder plan for comprehensive energy is independence. There's an even talked about sitting down she was and as you can do we think we have a national ID card because that they --"

" I'll ask her and we have centered -- credit no I called the night before. An enormous regard for governor I like that governor border states she knows. All the issues you always -- I think she is. That you misstep which you should make people coming back whoever wrote that he could remember the first couple months about military coming back from -- bit more inclined to belong to these crazy militia like this. That was a misstep and she didn't write it's it's you -- your pocket and a lot of it's okay -- our props and now I think Kelly recommends you know we've. I -- has had retired undefeated anything good places thing would you like to have been vice president spot in the knowledge economy. My friends I mean John and I with the way to Vietnam vets -- and 82 obviously and always has more experience and I did that that. He's been my friend for twenty years who have been monitor will. I thank you so much for being here talking about your book watching and could see a secretary didn't thank you are always good way to have a conversation -- by the way -- when your anniversary. This is the show upload I guess yes that's regulation thanks very much that."