Sanctions?

" Now privileged to have I believe his first appearance on it probably will turn -- favorite radio show. Jamie Rubin joins us he's informal foreign the informal farm policy advises his secretary of state Hillary Clinton endit. President Obama. Welcome back."

" BTU -- two slightly demands that in saying that. I don't talk to the president the secretary of state regularly I was a supporter of -- during the campaign season right to say formal. You you know I ran into the might public -- Might -- she's."

" I'm sure they'd be anxious. To hear -- welcome here it's nice to chat with you what what does the what does the government of Iran. In your view. Trying to say to where Russia to the United States into the IAEA. By. Firing off missiles on the eve of nuclear inspection."

" Well I think the this is a government that you know I think it's fair to say has to persecution complex has always defined itself. And opposition to America to the west. And after the revelations on Friday. Making public the existence of this. Nuclear enrichment sites and near the holy city of home. They are trying to say the I don't think they were intimidated we've got yeah missile capability we've got an army. Where a country that's has fought -- war against there rock. Were many many years suffered terrible. Casualties so it's it's a way of for them just. Try to show the west that they're not going to be intimidated."

" Well very could be doing that and there are probably a little cocky about this for a couple of reasons number one they know that the their opposition. Within the -- election they have united. Together. Against sanctions and they also know the Russian channel is all said and done Jamie is not going to turn on them correct."

" Why do -- think it's that we in this country and in the west in general lead to be a little more. Realistic about the fact that sanctions are are not a likely to to work and the hand. They're very very difficult tool that is. You know cutting off trader cutting off access to banks are cutting off the ability of people to travel it's a very very difficult. I think it's worked in a couple of occasions perhaps Libya probably South Africa during the archive. But sanctions. Are not likely to succeed mayor for. In our country and around the world we probably need to begin to have the serious discussions with ourselves about. What the real options are there really only two options. It's either we -- support Israel and ourselves or allow them to use military force. Just -- back this program. Or we learn to live with some inherent to Iran and nuclear capability short of an actual test -- and actual bomb but something's. Whereas we know that they could. Move towards a nuclear weapons and those -- the real option."