Growing Threat

Published: Tue, 29 Sep 2009

Description: European intelligence agencies say Iran is designing a nuclear warhead

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" and now this for -- Fox News alert on the efforts to stop a nuclear Iran. The head of Iran's nuclear atomic agency organization saying today that the rogue regime -- that there. This is you know what in those talks for have a October 1. We're -- this fast the issue of our nuclear rights that's kind of off the table as far as -- concern in the -- for the upcoming talks. In Geneva October 1 that is a very big date in all of this now the issue raises another big question. And that is this is Iran currently developing a nuclear warhead. This is a picture of one of Iran's nuclear sites. In Germany and France and Israel all claim. That they think Iran never did stop its quote weapon -- station program to develop a nuclear warhead US intelligence -- differs with that. US officials say no Iran stopped weapons six years ago and never resume that program so why are we getting such vastly different you. Talented. On this issue. Joining me now I'm pleased to have former Israeli ambassador to the UN and Fox News contributor. -- welcome good to have you. It that that's a first question I guess high you know why is it's so different we saw that very controversial seven intelligence estimate the sad note. And -- not working on nuclear warhead. Your folks in the side and also. France and Germany say it never stopped where it was restarted in 05."

" Well as as you just sat -- and rightly so -- the report which was published in 2007. Was indeed very controversial. I think wasn't -- controversial I think it was scandalous. And I know for a fact that follow the -- book that report. Regret that -- can be found fault with -- it was premature. It was inconclusive. And it actually weaken the case against Iran not only militarily but diplomatically and politically. And then you have -- president of the United States flag but that he that the -- Britain only last Friday having to stand there in front of the whole world. And say that they have just discovered. That Iran indeed did have another nuclear facility capable of producing nuclear weapons which they told to be denied. And that it was discovered so we dealing with a regime which is deceiving. And lying and nodding the world and -- Trying to believe that did not doing what they really doing and I think that with all due respect to this CIA. I don't think their record in recent years whether it's regarding 9/11 Iraq. Is is one that we should be. Relying on I think that when you look at the Israeli evidence that the French evidence that drove an evidence that the British evidence you realize you have ever -- here which is -- west. To acquire nuclear weapons and we cannot fool. To treat this as a -- have to take every measure."

" It what -- trying to say that is so vitally important -- and -- can't listen to this conversation without thinking back to what the discussion was before the war in Iraq. And now we've got to identified nuclear sites in Iran. And -- and a group of people all very smart intelligent people in our intelligence services looking at the situation coming up a very very different conclusions. And as we head closer. To you know some sort of sanctions -- in some sort of action taken against Iran. Tell me what you believe in terms of a warhead. In terms of capability. In terms of these two sites whether or not that's sick or is there another big site out there in Iran somewhere what does Israel believe."

" We believe very strongly that Iran is on an incessant. Quest for. Nuclear weapons that they have -- right -- the crossed the point of no Raton the -- the achieve. That capability and the capacity to produce long that -- much nearer than what anyone -- we've been talking all along. And all the time about 2009. The end of 2009 and we right there the rest of the world was talking much book there. I think that we -- they have the evidence. Which is indeed a smoking gun unfortunately. The gun smokes only after it's been five and by that time and -- be too -- we Israelis. We have -- the lesson we'd lose who have little bit less involved way. Of the whole world thing about that another small person that he was mad and lunatic and just renting and -- the huge rise in -- the fold. -- take it down below on this and I believe that we together with some -- European allies and with our American friends. Should look very carefully at the evidence that the same time listen very carefully looked at present of the view on this thing. We threatening to wipe Israel off the face of the map he's denying the Holocaust -- preparing the next -- and my advice to everybody is. Don't listen to us. Listen to him and -- him at face value."

" And every minute that you don't -- mad but this believe everything that you're discussing becomes a very different picture if indeed Iran has a nuclear warhead. You know if they have that capability they're negotiating power and the way that they look at the rest of the world in the Middle East and Israel. Becomes very very different if they if they have anything close to being able to push Israel. Off the map as they have stated is their goal."

" Well you know -- we -- you living in an incredibly horribly ugly dangerous world. We probably -- the most dangerous world we've lived -- since will will -- Is actually in possession of -- nuclear weapon. This week to on this horribly dangerous and of the world into -- world which will be impossible. We'll civilization. To be mundane that we we want that the that we we know it just the mere fact that they -- just the knowledge that they have. The effect that will have on their Arab neighbors that fact that we'll have on the rest of the world would be devastating and therefore the world. -- the -- to have a nuclear Iran and must do everything in its power to stop it and stop it -- enough is enough that off diesel."

" Love Dingell -- night you have spoken very articulate on this subject and Benjamin Netanyahu was very passionate and very moving on this at the UN is -- crucial issue to the security of the world and we thank you very much. For shedding some more light on it with us today thank you -- Thank you very much want to go to beauty. I for more on the Iran nuclear debate and you know you have to ask yourself why -- all this intelligence agencies becoming -- such a very different. Material and such a vital issue to the security of the world -- on the foxnews.com. One of the you decide questions today is on Iran and we want to know what you're thinking below the headline Iran reportedly refusing to negotiate -- in Geneva. Which is the breaking news that we just write this morning you click on the decide -- we're asking today the Obama administration plans to push for new sanctions against Iraq. If it does not comply with international demand to come clean about the program. Do you think that President Obama is pursuing an effective strategy right now in dealing with Iran. Your congress will be posted on that page and we'll take look at them but the checking -- right now online right foxnews.com."

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we know they're working together on their missile and probably on there nuclear weapons programs. So I look at every one of these missile launches is one more step in the progress North Korea and Iran are making and and why we need to be concerned about both of them what do you think the administration should do right now the Obama administration about this. Well I think with respect to North Korea . Stepping up the pressure remains the thing to do we've got the proliferation security initiative from the Bush Administration. The Obama administration has resumed pressuring North Korea financially that's a positive step. Forward we need to do war with China China has unique leverage over North Korea either to change that regime were to change their behavior we have not done that sufficiently. -- the Chinese and Chinese acting in good faith as far as you can tell. I think they're acting schizophrenic -- I I also I take them at their word they don't want North Korea with nuclear weapons but they're not doing what they need to do. To turn that around and and the fact is as long as North Korea has those weapons Japan South Korea may be others have an incentive to get into ours our are. How concerned ultimately should -- office. Well I think we should be very concerned not just because of North Korea's threat in northeast Asia although there's plenty -- reason to be concerned there and the longer term possibility of reaching the United States. North Korea is a major threat in the Middle East as well because of its cooperation with Iran Syria and others. That's where the

But we begin with a Fox News alert North Korea continues to defy international opposition firing seven scud type missiles. -- source inside South Korea tells Fox News the missiles launched today. Our old style scuds they have no nuclear capability but they do have a range of about 310 miles that could hit various targets in the south. Both Japan and South Korea have labeled the launches as provocative. The US State Department is urging the North Korean regime not to aggravate tensions in the region calling the missile launches quote. Not helpful perhaps an understatement. When it comes to foreign affairs few people can claim the expertise of my next guest John Bolton is the former US ambassador to the United Nations and he joins me now. Quick question -- the north Koreans upped to does anybody have any idea here.

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Nuclear weapons in general. But what -- my credit on that level one of the interest in pointing and Gordon you've written about this I think you understand this very well what North Korea has gain from the possession of nuclear weapons despite extraordinary. No matter what -- means we provide when you consider that nuclear weapons that given. This backward country and extraordinary opportunity to place and central role in world affairs is clearly due to the fact that nuclear weapons and if you look at Iran. -- political influence in the Middle East has grown large port. Because of the possibility that will develop nuclear weapons so when you consider the cost in the benefits the benefits are so significant compared to the possible costs. That there is no nation having nuclear weapons that has willingly going willingly to say you know what we're going to abandon. Nuclear well -- it willingly noble so what you need is some sort of structure section I -- right it's my -- exactly but even then even with the sanctions I'm saying. Let's assume for the sake of argument that refined all petroleum is we we have some sort section networks probably will but let's assume just for the sake of argument that does work. Why would the Iranians give up nuclear weapons because of that. Even at that -- the case largely because what influence they possess in creating Shia crescent throughout the Middle East is due in no small part to the existence of nuclear weapons of the possibility of nuclear weapons .

the decision that instead of focusing in on rogue nations like Iran. North Korea instead they're gonna focus on trying to read the entire world and this is word multi -- and -- and and I read the entire world of nuclear weapons rather than zero Inman. On any of the bad players the bad guys who are out to acquire nuclear weapons or bolster their programs. 44 and non non peace. Peaceful purposes.

Gordon is that this is your area of expertise Margaret nuclear showdown North Korea takes on a lot that it spoke about -- Have you are you today. I think one of the things that a President Obama wants to do is sort of create this global wave against nuclear weapons . And therefore in the process swamp the North Korea's and the rams and the Syria's of the world. And in that sense it could work if they really devote all their

to be abandoned article mine and constitution which prevents. The development of nuclear weapons -- in Japan says largely because of possible Chinese adventurism. On North Korea can send a missile from Pyongyang to four. So we've got to develop nuclear weapons would that be.

to be deathly afraid of a nuclear Japan. He -- South Korea and a nuclear Taiwan China has every reason in the world to. Nuclear weapons and all of these countries marginalized China's power they sort of make China relatively less important and the Chinese haven't quite figured out that the north Koreans can point their nuclear weapons north and west as well as south and he.

continuing to processes materials and go forward with its program doesn't stop North Korea from doing that. A one headline that was missed by a lot of folks just a couple weeks ago was that there was a ship that was caught going from North Korea to deliver. Some sort of weapons some sort of nuclear weapons type material. Too -- to Iran remember that was just have a couple weeks ago. Absolutely so we know that North Korea's up to no good we know that Iran is up to no good. But here we are focusing on in this world

AQ Khan who was the godfather where the father of and a nuclear weapons Pakistan and we know that Pakistan has nuclear weapons . And -- we certainly hope and keep our fingers crossed that they're guarded sufficiently but that he gets out on house arrest

of faced with a situation where you know Pakistan could splinter the nuclear weapons could end up in the hands of people who would. Could use them. At and have said that they want to use

that China and Russia will undoubtedly. Veto anything that -- in the Security Council -- administration has come to the conclusion that we cannot stop him further enrichment of uranium. As a consequence the view is why don't we have a Japanese solution for an. That is let them develop all of the the thought this up Faisal wrote the material what's necessary for the creation of nuclear weapons just don't build. Don't build a bomb and now that deal I think it's probably the one that's in the works. I'm

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