'Enormous Stakes'

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" Well two very different takes in the war in Afghanistan from two very influential people in Washington President Obama right now reportedly considering its suggestion from vice president Joe Biden. The VP is advocating a plan to scale back American forces focusing more on al-Qaeda and the terrorists in Pakistan instead of Afghanistan. Former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice saying that's a recipe for disaster telling fortune magazine quote our national security interest are very much tied up in knots."

" Letting Afghanistan fail again and become a safe haven for terrorists. It's that simple if you want another terrorist attack in the United States -- band in Afghanistan."

" them as a former Afghanistan and Pakistan analyst for the State Department Marvin. You know you certainly Condoleezza Rice -- a -- what you President Obama said two months ago to the VFW because in essence he was saying exactly the same thing listen. If left unchecked the caller on insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which -- Would plot to kill more Americans. Are you safe haven to plot to kill Americans there on the same page and now it seems like a lot of critics believe the president is in this -- in this moment of indecision."

" well yes indeed he is up. I happen to agree with thought Condoleezza Rice I believe she's she's right because she's saying it is. More than simply a question of troop. Surge here. But really a geo strategic issue. We've got enormous stakes in the region and al-Qaeda and the danger from up the extremists there is just one part of it. The future of pockets thought his involvement as well. And the danger of the civil war in Afghanistan. Believe would be catastrophic for our interests."

" we've been saying this now for a long time admiral Mullen has said this is that you don't -- even kind of referred to the book three cups of -- he said look. We the Afghan people have to be able to trust an upswing -- their -- pick the Taliban or pick NATO. And now are saying well. You know and I know you picked the Americans but that Americans might be pulling out -- what does that say to the people who -- in Afghanistan who are who are trying to fight for their lives. Well I think we'll --"

" The danger here is that once again. We'll be viewed as they force in the area serving really basically our own -- and that we really don't care about. The future of the people in that region I think we have to be very careful that we don't. Reinforce the idea that -- on reliable power. And I'm afraid that. This kind of thought of even even the discussion that's going on now. Is already sending a message saying that the United States is looking for an exit. And therefore if you're ambivalent about where you stand you perhaps wanna jump in the direction of the --"

" Martha -- here with a question for you yesterday I spoke to John Bolton the former ambassador to the UN. He feels very strongly that didn't -- crystal. I should consider resigning if President Obama doesn't support what he wants to do on the ground there and now we're hearing that there's a bit of an internal battle going on between the White House and the Pentagon. About whether or not -- Kristol should speak before congress because maybe the White House doesn't want him to say what he's gonna say there."

" that this is so this is a concern of course I think there's also some disagreement within the military itself about whether you ought to come back at this point. I think your point again is if he does come back I would hope that he would. Help redefine why were there and that it's not just about al-Qaeda and the fact that we -- so narrowly defined to begin with has left. I think the administration so vulnerable if -- Express this in terms of what again aren't are the major states that the United States has in the region. I think this is defensible case but it's not if -- mission is going to be brought back to work was in 2000. 23 and four when we let this get out of hand by simply focusing on al-Qaeda and had and now we on the collar bomb. Barbara what about Martin great to see it. -- to hear from you thank you -- that to keep talking about -- saying -- time is of the essence here and now the suddenly he's got this delayed a deal with two point."