Panel Plus: 8/30

" And welcome to FOX News Sunday panel plus the Bill Sammon Mara Liasson Bill Kristol and Juan Williams and I know you thought I took a shot a Jew in the discussion about the effectiveness of well I I said you I didn't admit that I think. But that you thought I took a shot -- when we are talking about the effectiveness can you really not that we provide enhanced interrogation I mean the fact is we haven't. Then attacked since 9/11 is that a coincidence."

" You went to Harvard I think right so what kind of logic in this because we haven't been attacked the youth and enhanced interrogation is the reason the sole reason. All I have -- thought to ourselves our borders are for security not none of that matters it's just that we torture people like goodness while."

" About the fact that the CIA says that more than half of the intelligence that it has gotten about. Al-Qaeda over the course of these years is from the interrogation of those detainees."

" Again this is such a false logic we don't know that that's the only way to get that information and the consequence it has had for us in terms of our morals. -- to new lows in terms of our reputation in the world in terms of our fans. Of what our leadership as the world's superpower and a deep into the world in terms of democratic rights and freedoms. It has damaged as Chris and that's why we have the find other ways of getting information from the pros at CIA. What they say is there are other ways to get this information this is not on 24 -- Jack Bauer."

" That is precisely on the facts here Abu zubaydah was the first privately target. Captured was interrogated using normal techniques for a couple of months he didn't break that's it was set at the time -- great trouble getting information out of him. Only when they started to view the enhanced techniques that he crack he get over the information that allowed the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed the reason they went so quickly city. It has techniques with him was not just at that say they thought they would work pace than it was at a be its first instinct with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed dismissed contemptuous of them. And see there were ongoing plots that were trying to disrupt this wasn't just -- let's see what we can find out. And away the tutorials -- it's a dramatic photos in a way a little misleading to some it's a sound like those kind of academic interest in that. He was explaining stuff there were ongoing plots including people the United States who were given over because of interrogations of zubaydah. Collegiate Mohammed try to we have is pretty good evidence that Evans here we don't -- it that I -- professionals thought -- it's fascinating -- this story."

" In this debate doesn't go away go well it doesn't go away for a lot of good reasons and some of them are avoidable I mean this is a discussion. That the Obama administration at least a mention because they decide that we're gonna do this now if there was another attack he would have Dick Cheney coming out saying I told you so here's why they -- it could be we argued that the moment it was closed until -- decided. To re open an investigation of whether or not CIA operatives violated the law let me just -- the whole thing up again -- I just want to ask you about -- for -- democratic --"

" When asked about that because Dick Cheney made the point is the president is the chief law enforcement officer and Eric Holder is a cabinet officer so when the White House talks about the independence of the attorney general. -- Could it should. Obama have said you know what this is just not a fight we're gonna take --"

" You know Obama has said very clearly about a dozen occasions he wants a look back not forward the president and I was like running a -- and a forward not backward yet. He's made that very clear. And he certainly convinced a lot of people's under Ron Emmanuel that this was not gonna go any further that he went to the CIA he's that I have your back. I'm anybody who in good faith follow these rules is not going to be prosecuted. I think this is politically perilous for democratic president and national security is always. Perilous. Portfolio for them because he hasn't proved himself yet. I do think. That that Eric Holder is subject competing pressures lot of people in the Democratic Party in the Justice Department wanted her a full blown investigation has given them that. And I think that if this thing can be wrapped up in two or three months to -- with the prosecutor coming to the same conclusions as the previous federal prosecutors. That's the best political."

" let's dispense with this fiction right up front Eric Holder is Barack Obama's employee. I mean Barack Obama is acting like when it came time to pick an attorney generally grabbed the yellow pages open it to lawyer closed his eyes and put his finger down I mean is that we could just as easily come to -- Ken Starr. No he consciously chose a man who shared his world view. Eric Holder and this fiction. That -- by the way in April when Barack Obama would -- declassified the CIA documents that detail some of these interrogation techniques. Both Barack Obama and Eric Holder said you know we really shouldn't be gone back and prosecute these agency -- gone through the -- let's let's not getting all lawyer up. They both said that so now for Barack Obama to say what I look forward but my intrepid attorney general. He's bound by the law to go back in the -- and I really had no control out of it. It's you know what I have no problem with the of the administration put not that's been. But for the mainstream media -- apparent this Stan. The Washington Post in a front page article this past week about how this sheds new light on the relationship between Obama and and and and holder employee holder has this great autonomy now give me a break this is Obama's decision plain and simple."

" This is why I love panel plus as we get to finish the story and I don't get and despite taking a shot at -- times there. That's public defender -- commercial thank you panel. And we'll see -- next Sunday."