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" Here's comedian and magician libertarian Penn Jillette. He -- Penn and teller BS is on showtime tonight at 10 PM and the co anchor of ABC's 20/20 John Stossel but this is upcoming segment. On Canada is of the specialists. Segment. A segment on that's definitely just the segment this decision may well he -- being and I got a whole the whole prime -- car about maybe a couple minutes for. -- we talked about doing a whole lot all show long BS -- Canada so be ready for the -- added I don't have a problem with the handed out. The candidate doesn't exist with the okay so -- let me -- let me start with you. And let's start with Canada the Canadian health care I -- and so tired of hearing because I grew up right across the border in Bellingham Washington. I know the people they billed by the special part of the hospital just repeat all the people coming in across the border team to escape Canadian health care. Tell me what you -- up in Canada. What stuck most with me was the town that had a lottery so many people are waiting to get a family doctor they can't get one once a month the town clerk. Polls names out of a box of the calls the lucky winners congratulations. They have a family doctor right. -- Insurance. Really is I think the problem because it. We have no restraint. We have no restraint whatsoever. What you can also -- if you have if you have food insurance. There's nothing but -- shops. All we have is not really insurance. What we have is prepaid and that's a very big difference if you had a so people could get real."

" August catastrophic. Coverage they were really covered if they lost a lot of money have -- catastrophic event. But still had. Control over what they were paying them a smaller level at least someone that he was consuming it. The the the service would have some control over the payment -- I think it's really far away from individuals it seemed like a bad thing we'll I don't know."

" If either one of you guys if if you've ever had this happen to you before but I know I said in a doctor. Doctor's office and -- say. What kind of insurance -- it be rented for script to what kind of insurance do you have a say you know whatever."

" Mom. I'm Taylor and and give you this is set. They they -- they made different choices based on the if somebody else is paying for it and if you're insuring -- fully insured you don't care. As I don't set as if he had grocery insurance he wouldn't care in the grocery goods store in the incentives. That creates -- spend more. Are just insane and that's the problem with the health care and yet the politicians say. The solutions all with more insurance right and I think I don't know about you diamond street just. Once again you're free put put all three of -- parents we libertarians. On television. Apple once. It's like this is their convention. Right now. I'm half. You when you when when when we talk about -- Pollack on how can help people upstairs he's watching on all this product. Yeah. -- The thing about. That the other argument that people always have this woman what are you gonna do to fix it what are you can do to fix it first ball against people I put people in charge of their own medical. Care and then I also cap the attorneys because the other reason. Why nobody seems to care if the doctor is under so much pressure to not get sued. That he old he'll do. Absolutely every test because he doesn't want somebody to say what what did you do that test it's safer to do with thousand tests and somebody else's things that they do many more. I don't know that capping is all that fair or that libertarian if somebody -- truly egregiously maybe a trial lawyer should punish -- out of -- well look I have a loser pays absolutely okay how about that reduce the number of suits right if you if you have if you are putting it. If the person that comes in brings this ridiculous lawsuit. Loses they pay for I'm all for and then the parasite class can't just go suing everybody for bad reasons and they won their proven wrong they don't even at the sailors are so Penn and how would you fix health care. Well why don't think there's there's all this pretending. That we're going toward socialized."

" Madison we're not going towards that were already there add about one of the problems is that people are pretty happy with -- Medicaid and Medicare. -- I thought I think that. Morally philosophically. Individuals having more choice and more control over what they do. Here's a really good things I'm afraid that -- the really -- position. I would like to get insurance all the way from. The employers. Why your bosses. Has to be in charge of your assurance it should be the individual travel with -- and that was only put him as I understand it. During World War II oh it was a work around them -- breezes to be able to give people more stuff. Stop the employer from being charged that make an individual your employer is caught in charge of what you eat -- eating is as important as medical care right."

" Here's the deal in New York. Because I'm a small business owner. And I have twenty employees. I can't go out and buy the eighty be part of a plan in the entire country. I can't get a big group plan the government can't. But they restrictive insurance companies for putting a big huge group so it's costing an arm and a leg and it's worse in New York. Then I -- anyplace else. And it's illegal -- a policy in New Jersey say where they may I had a right you were stupid rules and rightly your policy costs more decorous about a -- a little bit of John shuttle's upcoming segment on health care. In Canada and Great Britain watched this. You want innovation and fast treatment that often comes from people pursuing profit."

" And you see that in Canada. Because even here there is one area where they do offer easy access to cutting edge technology. CT scan endoscopy but our costs if you -- Ross fifty arthroscopic procedures to evaluate joints for cartilage abnormality available all the time. 24 hours seven days a week. Patients rarely way. -- eight C a patient that's carnac appreciate -- in that patients need we can generally have that patients scheduled within probably a week."

" But -- to bark for me now to get that kind of treatment. One CT scan Canada prayed it vet clinic say they can get a dog in the next day. For people the waiting list is a month."

" It's absolutely unbelievable. Two let me ask you both this question in -- said a minute ago. That. You know health care went to the printed the employers back in the 1940s I went back and I played on the radio show today. A fireside chat by FDR where he talked about the second bill writes he gets familiar with a second bill of rights. Yeah it's -- yes I -- played on television because there's there's video of it is well. It's practically been erased from our history books. He talked about there was a right to a job. He actually wanted to change put this into the constitution right to a job a right to a house. And a right to. Health care. It was rejected. But if you look at things. He did put the beginnings of health care he did put the beginnings of you're never gonna have to worry about it with Social Security he did put the beginnings of -- right to a house right now about 60%. Of houses are owned by Freddie and Fannie. And over and what does Obama -- he says by the way we'll just -- your house if you if you're gonna collapse if you're gonna lose -- you can rent from us. My gosh our country is being transformed. Into something that is nothing. Like what our founding fathers -- laid out."

" True or false. Certainly going of that correction I think today that. Platform would win its people with south would you I have a right to a house I -- right to health care coverage -- Don't the oriental all we have to explain that the people that if you want good houses in good health care all the innovation comes from that evil capitalist I know. An okay movie but go ahead glad -- I was gonna say but you're always talk about the ambitious people have the ones who want to work hard. You should also stick up for the lazy people. Capitalism allows people to do just enough to get by. Had not have government tell them what I could tell you shop that's also a reasonable life choice it is I have absolutely no problem there are people and -- are no love that you know that there are more beds. In New York City than there are homeless people there are more beds in homeless places. In New York City true or false -- I have no idea okay. Not now she like you're like mr. don't know everything. OK so -- yeah --"

" They actually this city actually hires people to go out and -- a lot of times they know these guys by name and basically is coming to a shelter. They choose not to. That's flying. That it America you should be able to do that but why is -- that we had this nanny state and again it comes back from the progressive movement in the early twentieth century. Where they talked about. If you it eight you know I think it was HG wells who was a big progressive said the state has a right to humanely. Put you down if you refuse to work or to conform to society. This is craziness."

" But I had to apologize to Rudy Giuliani because I attacked him for it is we got out. Stop the squeegee men we gotta get these people off the streets I too felt if you wanna sleep on the street were we to say you can't. But he made New York a lot. Work this we pleasant places to live AG you don't have a right to harass me. And pound on my pin window and say come on pay me for I thought -- also didn't do that but bar. But more also not shy or -- but that was just. I do I also was not we're not sure that was Giuliani there's a lot of stuff from free economics from a lot of thought. -- Yes I can't. John we're starting with view okay minute on the clock go who's your dream third party candidate. I am you are. Penn Jillette spell lot laissez Faire. All in all I can tell you I will not do it is volatile. Would you rather be the American idols are or America's Got Talent czar. America's Got Talent czar Penn Jillette what government agency would you get rid of first. Apostles security John -- would you rather see a doctor in the Dakotas on an Indian reservation. Or in Canada. Or in get well. Get me to. Pendulum I think naming China did you name your child and I. -- naming LA guy that's easy baby naming your child I mean. Is it a great tribute or dooming your child to obscurity. I think you should do only bad thing about maybe your children. And thank you very much John thoughtful I appreciate it when your special honor with a -- the a week from tomorrow Friday he's added a week from tomorrow on Friday at ten your BS starts tonight. Took while provided -- and we just could not vapor -- whammy today so that's today that he'll actually Penn Jillette is BS never ends -- We'll see you again back with."