Middle East Panel

" is outside and everything that hasn't misguided that's the point is you don't unanswered question is this I have to question the problem in the Palestinian people have a right to controller sovereign territory in Gaza entirely with no questions -- international affairs I want wrapped up in Gaza debate and -- and the reality is it Israel's not gonna open up is not and naval blockade of Gaza. It because the Palestinians will immediately arm themselves. Of course it brings -- the counterargument what's the problem with that too strong army sitting on each other's borders music they're negotiating business. The territorial waters -- these the United States. The US. The -- so that you could argue that didn't we are engaging on Cuba's Socrates because it is okay because America. It'll deter -- is they've argument. You've got guys gone to the strategy yeah this is this. It didn't happen the entire region is burning up because you -- it destabilizing every single country including the West Bank including that we're talking up -- we're talking about little we're talking about -- so. It was -- Yeah that's one issue what is your little hole -- you know the other issue is that the state is president episode is that yes they got. That's always a video other and you prove -- million -- my friend I'm an -- and end -- text as the drag from within. -- my friend al-Qaeda cells. Listen I don't want to -- this. Israel and the Palestinian Authority have -- legitimate. Dispute. About the future is fusion I'll. What is known outside of the last night was known -- that -- well okay that's okay. Is considered the Weber well on channel one that I'll tell. Gjelten intelligent than college days of married okay so it's basically in the parlance of mainstream Israel outside the window -- yeah. It's very -- of watermelon yeah well I'll tell you something like me Israelis are today. More uniting around an -- how concept then they have been since 1983 the -- Acknowledged all of bipartisan study also says. -- Or did you know I didn't have the user out there on the screen yeah they do not include defensible borders and I'm gonna reveal his secret -- strategy room. Okay that I will I will bet you don't decency. Aren't you rock you know who defensible borders means look Israel has there's basically and nine mile. There's nine miles or wins between Arnold and Paris point between the state Jordan has making Jordan ministry NC. So this -- stock and -- 1940 arms weapons that grapevine. Right that it'll be in indefensible borders. Now there is there are very you can count the number of people sensible -- country that has peace agreements with such as Jordan Egypt. And it's working that it is working on -- its own borders means can you can you tell me with confidence. The future of the Hashemite kingdom can you tell me confidence when can you tell let confidence win win Mubarak leaves -- in Egypt. What is gonna happen with a Muslim brother will take over you know."

" It's. -- that getting what kind of reporting yeah well. Which is -- that's -- never -- but does that mean by your definition then peace treaties agreements are no longer binding peace treaties are there isn't one of these -- department and in the one we're introducing that it could if he -- suddenly they -- Egypt collapses at a Muslim -- takes over that he's -- could be null and -- definition cannot quite Israel that it had peace treaty with Egypt but it can also at any point have a right wing government that decides to attack Egypt and making the move toward. Let me just like yeah. Yeah. Yeah get into is a settlement issue and really the tension between the US and Israel because again as we we took this -- Hulu to get around this -- group called girls go back to the -- anybody at this point is this. If Netanyahu. Is talking about a two state solution. Am going to president and making -- speech and when President Obama saying I am in favor of a two state solution he's not sincere disagreement."

" He's completely sincere he's completely sincere I mean. And attacked the outlook and tell you I was the one that pulled out in terms of in terms of press prime minister -- any concessions. And now. Fulfilled. Is that word you want to -- pulled out of him wrong I knew it wasn't done what he's brought in labor party people is editor in terms of sincerity to insert -- what it does here's the strategic point. The strategic insight gets on international television or national television he says look. Israel has right is that Israel Israel Israel. Israel looks that the West Bank Judas and as being in its -- didn't care for an."

" And it has and Google yeah yeah. Four all right it's okay and why -- Obama and Clinton would not could argue that -- two state solution. If you -- is opposed to this idea that Israel claims Judea Samaria -- the visual sense that you get the Palestinians for state. -- you keep building."

" state solution. Is that it will become the solemn. The summary discussion. On both sides bring bring it right and planes and now there -- here you have as you get a federal -- you federal system the United States using the doesn't. But two state solution is a Palestinian state. And tips in the West Bank okay and Judaism are also it to anyone -- Some are okay good okay."

" So what so what let me ask your question why why what was wrong with -- discussion. Before 1967 is okay and analysts think there's no problem now now you've pulled back and how what would be the what was BD. Strategic. Advantage it has been if at some point after. The after the proclamation let's say -- intra Palestinian -- courtroom in undefined borders. That he -- making Jordan which has a 70% Palestinian majority and as well as our partners such as the south in -- a you know we're gonna jump in so."

" It's just saying so of them yeah. Remember. -- looked so it becomes a security problem. We're -- another security mission hearted blue -- have you creating. A situation where it is -- those two states. But he does not threatened by the Protestants and -- So that's a different discussion and different discussions are very good. And ideological discussion with the security discussions that is but -- a professional discussion is that America can --"

" So also community does so well. It's. Assessment that the territory belongs to Israel and in fact UN Security Council resolutions which are binding on member states considers. Clinching at least with who has -- as we've heard several UN resolutions passed resolutions but the point is they consider."

" Only one right -- in Arizona I mean that obviously we're getting we're getting way off the factor people. Only let me just correct your mistake here the only UN Security Council resolution that has any. And it's not finding the closest thing it's not a chapter seven resolution chapter six resolution. That is this is the backbone of Arab Israeli negotiations today UN Security Council resolution to 42 of November 22 1967. We had to govern every single. Arab Israeli peace initiative since then and it basically calls for Israel to withdraw from territory not the territory as we speak. Security Council purposely set so -- could have secure and recognized boundaries that's what was the language of the resolution every single US administration. And the UN Security Council itself on the record in the protocols has said Israel did not at the time that he was attacked by. Four Arab armies and 67 have defensible borders would have to depends."

" Borders settlements and defensible borders are part of the discussion. On Tuesday solution. Now defensible borders means in the in the language of the labor party and you go along who developed the concept that Israel will have to happen. Control. Perhaps annexed in Jordan is the only way it's gonna be different gonna be able to protect its western shoreline we've got senate is it really is on the Charlotte."

" It's fair enough because India and Israelis to consider that this settlement to be the front -- and advanced. And it may be Arnold and don't let them know that -- the settlement no business over that night you know I don't. So then and then yeah. Yeah -- yeah Gaza Strip party reintroducing the guy's argument that rockets would -- it withdrew from the guys though and that's."

" that the only food that prevented them rockets from hitting us too long before that this engagement was the presence. All of these rituals in -- okay and there there's. The of the Israeli troops and there's no work put that due -- settlements right -- and -- plus and data for the let's settlers and there's a lot of this -- themselves. Are not military bases. Where those civilians but yeah. Military bases because it takes more soldiers to protect -- he had settled but but when you when you. Particularly. The wish of a -- for -- states. You create. The need for those folks all these people. Cool. Okay are subject to -- as -- awards or whatever okay if you. Making peace with them. And only bring you -- borders -- another factor. We have an American administration that we really I think that Israel's relation with the with the United States. Is okay faster. And Israel's security. Israel's existence. Right. There's an administration. The demands. -- more settlements constructions confession you know also removed. Dismantling and probably ends at this and they don't yet not yet none of the American administrations. Ever support of the settlement. And -- do much about it if you -- a new administration who's gonna keep."