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" energy secretary and to the president believing actor announcing some -- measures and what they'd like to see accomplished in his energy though joining me now. Vice president of news and Washington managing editor. Bill Sammon bill the president said that the if these measures goes through it would be the equivalent of taking 58 million cars off the road. For a year your thoughts on what you've heard about this plan."

" Well like anybody else who was trying to advocate a controversial plan President Obama emphasized the big gains that we would make from this you know. Cleaner cars. You know more jobs etc. any minimize the pain. That will be required to implement such a plan the only reference I caught was when he says something along the lines of we can accomplish all this without imposing untenable new burdens on Americans and small businesses I think the key word there is untenable. He didn't say without imposing new burdens he says without imposing untenable boo -- so I guess it's. Comes down to your definition of what that word means. Clearly this is going to raise. Utility costs for everybody in America it's going to raise energy cost for everybody in America. It's going to set up a Cap and Trade System which is in this bill. That will profoundly change our economy -- didn't talk much about that."

" I mean one of the biggest questions about mistaken one wire is is whether or not in that the cost benefit analysis basically. Whether or not increased cost to Americans into businesses isn't worth the jobs in business an industry that's generated. By alternative energy company."

" That's true especially in the midst of a severe recession than the other thing is. And we saw this when he appeared with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on I think it was Friday of last week. He and she talked about how this sets the stage this passage of this American bill. Assuming it gets passed by the Senate it sets the stage for America's participation in a global. Cap and trade regime which is known as the -- and Hagan. Protocols a successor to the Kyoto protocols. And that itself I don't think many Americans really understand. What that means that we would be subject. -- subject to you know global regulations in terms of how much emissions we can -- As a country forget about industry versus industry within the United States we be talking about country versus country. And I don't think it would go very well for the United States. "

" Although I picked up that -- by the way I picked up and out of the untenable burden phrases while I also was interested to hear him say California as the model and -- anybody these days wants to -- California as a model for something that's working well. I want to point to point out bill. The story that you -- informed us about earlier these emails the EPA got a suppressing the scientific information. Scientific evidence that maybe global warming is it is not. As bad as we think maybe carbon dioxide emissions are far better today than they were fifteen years ago talk about those emails."

" There was an important report issued by EPA scientist. About a hundred pages long almost on the pages long. That said that we may we re really shouldn't be regulating carbon dioxide after all global temperatures have fallen for the last eleven years. He listed number of other pieces of data such as for example the ice in Greenland is not melting as fast as everybody thought it was. The the EPA. Is now accused of ignoring this guy's dissenting report and according to their own sort of politically arrived that conclusion --"

" That's on the -- notable -- want to put us on the screen -- talking here that the actual email from the side district did this the email says that we -- just thought this up there because I don't have in front of me. Com and you continue on bill that the whole the whole idea here there it is the administrator."

" Had a son that's not yet anyway we'll get up though when we get a chance that's that's the wrong one but anyway well what happened what I had. I can tell explained the the guy. Put out this report his name was Carlin -- Harland and he's been bond with the EPA for decades and he put out this report. And basically was told by his bosses go find something else to do this doesn't really help our legal and political argument here and was sort of shunted it shunted aside to remember. When President Bush was in office he was that was -- ton of stories in the press about how he was ignoring. Dissension from the from NASA's chief climate guy about who disagreed with the administration global warming. There has been virtually no coverage of this dissent which is the exact mirror image of what happened during the bush presidency. I think it's an important story we're gonna we're going to talk about a little later in the day today."

" I added bill thank you very much Bill Sammon. Joining us now with a look at this energy -- and big announcement from the president this afternoon and a lot of very interesting EPA memos that. The traces his -- he -- turning a lot of attention in the days and weeks to come as the Senate testers to work on that bill as well."