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After the Show Show: 6/17

Published: Thu, 18 Jun 2009

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" into another. Special report on line I'm -- thanks for joining and then of course we'll be reading your comments and questions reacting to them throughout this show. Also want your comments on the new look the graphics the music I want some constructive criticism what's the deal tonight's panel. Bill Sammon Fox News Washington managing editor and of course you remember Steve Hayes senior writer for the weekly standard Nina Easton Washington bureau chief for fortune magazine. And -- old -- syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer we want to continue to do the discussion right away about this media store and the relationship. Between the media mainstream media and -- Obama. Bill you're just joining the fray here what we didn't get on the show during the panel was ABC is going to be broadcasting this health -- special from inside the White House they are also doing. The nightly newscast from the blue room this follows Brian Williams doing his newscast from inside the state. I dining room. Is there a problem with this I."

" Think so having covered the White House for ten years under both President Clinton and President Bush. I think there's something that makes me queasy about broadcasting your evening news show from the blue room or the state dining room it's one -- to be on Pebble Beach which is sort of neutral territory. By the north lawn and all the reporters -- out -- but when you're -- guy's house. In your broadcasting that's supposedly healthy robust possibly adversarial critique of the guys administration I think. It just sends the wrong message about -- something Brett. You know having been a White House correspondent for a lot of years I think it would be embarrassed. By the level of adulation that this press corps is heaping on this president not just the White House press corps. But the larger Washington press corps. I think you know I would. The worst thing that you could say about a reporter when I was there -- weather was covering Clinton -- bush was that you were to -- somebody if you are too hard and somebody that was okay if I had bush angry at your Clinton angry at me. I always felt vaguely that -- sort of doing my job. But I would be embarrassed and I think even these reporters he's liberal reporters in their heart of hearts there is a kernel of journalistic integrity in there somewhere. And that is feeling embarrassment over the way they are treating this president and I think eventually the -- going to turn in these journalists are gonna say you know let's say ideology aside we gotta do what we're what we're supposed to do here and and hold this -- to the --"

" You know I've received a lot of email saying that that I'm bringing this up and and I did -- special on George W. Bush. And did the ins and outs for the documentary -- one hour special from inside the White House. -- true it was a special it was about his final days in office and in that we were at times critical less tough questions. But we didn't do our nightly newscast from inside the White House and perhaps that's the difference that we -- trying to make brutally tough."

" Questions in that interview and -- that's why I made the distinction of the nightly news broadcasts if you're doing a tour you're you know you're -- showing your on the house you want to broadcast that to the public that's fun. But to do your nightly news broadcasts from inside the White House. There's just something that makes me and."

" And easy like okay Brad and says I'll see -- that ABC isn't accepting ads from organizations with dissenting views now ABC says they are not taking any advocacy ads put a lot of healthcare firms and insurance companies wanted to purchase. --"

" I'm on on the network during that special you know what you -- about all this. Well one thing and again I agree that I do you think the media is very much in the tank for Obama I think there's a glamour equality and I think the -- that there's this -- quality that sells magazines and you know time magazine my sister publication has put a month I don't know how many times. If it. There's there's that aspect to it but in defense of the media. -- I'm gonna be the only one here to offer any defense so I'm afraid solve the there's another dynamic at work here and that's that this administration. It's putting out so many -- sweeping programs day after day after day I'm only one here for fortune magazine I mean it's like a tsunami waves -- coming constantly. For an eighty your and you have a media which is facing layoffs and rounds rounds of -- we all know this -- in the last six months. A lot of our friends have been laid off. -- a facing a lot of so you're facing -- smaller. You know useless do you think he even if they're I think the New York Times is going to be your standard -- liberal publication. They're used to be a lot more other publications that would provide at a competing voice. And you have left of that and we have left of that and you've got to -- it which. He is rolling stuff out big stuff and you know when he said he said in the interview with John Harwood -- press has been generally positive. And that's because I'm not trying to hide the ball. Well in some respects this field which -- health care reform for example the speed -- which are pushing all that stuff out. And limiting debate on it that's hiding the ball it's like a fire -- stream from a fire him so I'm I'm I'm we're."

" typical yes he is hiding the ball I mean where they continue to act as -- this is one -- for I think that the White House press corps has really fallen down. There are isn't he he himself made the standard the most transparent administration in history. He is not close to that there are many things that people of requested from the White House that they that we haven't gotten. We had to fight my magazine weekly standard had to fight for five months before we got the report on Guantanamo recidivism. It was to have been posted on February 2 on the Department of Defense -- website that never happens despite -- telling us that it wouldn't. And we waited and waited and waited and pounded the White House and -- the Pentagon to try to get this information they didn't put it out -- later put it out after it was leaked by somebody. Who like its findings. Not the White House view of things it was leaked and then they released at the same is true with these Dick Cheney documents where are these documents."

" I don't agree with -- that I wouldn't judge to bias in the volume or the amount of coverage because this guy. Has been as active as FDR we've never had such an active. The first half year because we've never been. In multiple little crises without a president who believes that the government in Washington ought to be at least if not in control -- directing everything so it fit -- The amount of coverage I think is about right -- of course it's the -- the coverage. And that's what makes it to a unique and he gets coverage that is really ambulatory. You know this is the same impressed that -- year after year in the later years of the Bush Administration. Insisted that the highest form of patriotism is dissent. And that the purpose of the -- to speak truth to power these guys are on their needs and that's what's so embarrassing."

" Pete says will the sham wow guy be the moderator for ABC's town hall infomercial. No it's actually fairly kids -- like ABC has said that they are going to control the editorial content and they're going to control who is asking the questions. In this town hall meeting and they are not taking direction from the White House. "

" So they're bringing in that guy who was a doctor who's on their staff Tim somebody -- who who's been an ABC sort of in house doctor for many years. Who is on record as far back as Hillary care. As saying in fact during an interview with Hillary Clinton when she was First Lady. He said something along the lines of you know many doctors believe funerals at -- health -- and -- my vote to that because I believe in it too so these are the kinds of people they're bringing in but let me just say this. If you're right that the quality is overwhelming quantity of coverage is just so much stuff come the White House you have to cover you're also right that. Newsrooms have been decimated -- there aren't enough bodies to cover. But -- I have seen garden variety media bias and it's pervasive all by itself and it's a really bad thing all by itself this is something. Very different this is exponentially. Different. Then hey let's give the Democrat a liberal Democrat about the -- here this is an advocacy a commitment a passion. There vested in this guy and I haven't been able to find anybody who can really actually doesn't really John Harwood -- a few tough questions in that interview including the question about the press cup actually the fact that a New York Times reporter and CNBC anchor which is John. Basically Obama hate you've gotten all this press coverage that so favorable that it might not even be good for the country because no -- really you know hold your feet to the fire. For him to ask that question. Was I think very courageous and a good good strong question and secondly I thought it was that maybe the first sign that the -- might turn here because again. Here's a guy thing well -- better ask an adversarial question like journalists are supposed to be. They're getting embarrassed and they're gonna start doing their duty sooner away."

" With a guy that does our. Effort at the White House and there's a very well and asked some very tough question senior White House correspondent Major Garrett is joining us now guys. I know you've been listening to this affinity for a little bit. Any thoughts from Pebble Beach in neutral territory on. On the -- your colleagues in the White House briefing. I'll have this thought about the president. One of his books is called the audacity of hope -- audacity has been redefined at the presidential level where the president expects. His word positive coverage. I think it's outrageous that makes me boil with anger. That a White House president that a -- this country would save the media's obligation is covered me positively. A -- for the country like a pretty White House. And it -- yet and we talked about it on the phone and we won't talk about all the things were said but. Yeah I mean if it's our job to report it it's not our job to say one way or another positively or negatively Charles. You want to weigh -- here yeah I'd like to ask the major how does that. Sort of expectation. Coverage. Manifest itself but to -- and a daily basis. Well I've been covering this."

" White House from day one I covered this campaign for the better part of fourteen months. I'm fair aggressive. And curious. As every journalists ought to be and they know that. And they know that I'm not going to do them wrong I'm not gonna play gotcha but I'm not going to let them off the hook. And that's right do every day has -- to during the campaign is what I do now. What I resents. And what really gets under my skin is I thought during the campaign when this was a cheap applause line. Fox is always on fox is always on me all there's the applause from the -- okay -- that came about once every week. I didn't think that a president who often tells us he pays no attention to cable chatter. Would selectively isolate this network and say the reasoning doesn't like it is because you can't find anything positive about him on it."

" How's that he's -- said that a lot is used fox alliance. Right now that I thought he was wearing a terrific -- in an interview yesterday."

" I wish I had a suit like that -- great job and you mentioned the -- audacity of hope. From his book audacity of hope he writes quote. I was the beneficiary of unusually and that times on deservedly positive press coverage. I've watched the press cast -- in -- that can be hard to live up -- now this obviously was when he was Senator Obama but that was. Some some interesting. Points that he made -- book now he's saying something very --"

" Do you name it George W. Bush to be saying the same thing when he writes his memoirs I don't think of him but yeah. Let's not forget that any fairness I -- Republicans and George Bush you messing up your time -- time I mean it it let's let's let's be fair and -- balanced and I wanted to ask isn't -- southern boy. Yeah -- it. Does it doesn't affect your data day it just a follow up on Charles does it affect -- your access does it didn't do you get singled out in any way being from."

" No there had been -- it and a great number of off the record briefings. There was a dinner last -- would Treasury Secretary -- the second I've attended since this White House came -- power. Every single significant. Briefing where they brought in all the networks I've been there. I mean we are at the table for those things nothing is ever really come back to me personally -- you -- weren't called on enough press conference that was that was direct retribution. For our broadcast network not carrying that press conference and they were on ambiguous about."

" That which other networks then said was a good financial move by Fox Network anyway Stephen from Alabama says this -- is so unfair is what I say less important than anyone else. No -- and keep on -- we'll read it. Major rich says major just -- on the bad guy list confused in Chicago says I wonder what the administration will pull majors press -- listen that's not what we're all saying here now we're we're saying that it is interest in the way that this media coverage has developed -- Let's turn the corner."

" and it was like if they've dredged up in one thing -- real quick. People can take it take a look at the Internet tonight or tomorrow morning's Wall Street Journal tomorrow morning's New York Times both we'll have polling data. That shows the country is losing confidence at least in a small measure. But the president's economic policies as intervention the auto industry and the deficit and also showing a bit of a -- In his popularity overall and some of the issues that are now being being percolating in the polls and working against this White House -- the very kinds of issues this network has identified. Been curious about and scrutinize this administration's record on long before others have I'll put that record -- against anyone in this business."

" Yeah I should point out and Jacki points out on the on. The comments here that Jake Tapper is a very good reporter he obviously is with ABC and we assume he'll be a part of that special. Inside the White House so. He can he can ask you a question if that you can. -- touched classmates it's its own self okay let's turn to the financial regulations major. We he had this story during the show. What's so that you didn't get the end. About how this is all developing and really what if there's any major push back of these new rules of the -- for financial. Regulation the big."

" Story here is going to be will congress allow the Federal Reserve to take such a broad regulatory look at and if in fact it goes along with the administration regulatory control over of the US economy is -- financial institutions are concerned. And will it allow this other super Missouri council that's very nebulous right now but it would be run by the Treasury Secretary. To oversee. What the Federal Reserve is going to do as it overlooks the entire. Financial institutions of this country -- that's a huge issue I asked Barney Frank and Chris Dodd here after the White House event you understand how this council would work. No we've got no clue how -- war are you buying into it not yet we need to look at the -- there was a dinner last night. As I mention what Treasury Secretary -- brought -- how this council work. Who would leave it up and others do a hand gesture here he went like this. Well we heart failure. Me you know the Treasury Secretary is going to have a say in this council that's going to oversee how the Federal Reserve will then oversee the broad. Aspects of the US economy. That's brand new it's never been tried before. And congress is going to have -- decide if that's the proper. Structure for the Federal Reserve and his other regulatory body this council the would have the Fed the FDIC the Securities and Exchange Commission -- as well. Is also going to have the kind of powers that the administration is seeking and -- these other issues I think that's pretty broad consensus that's going to be the big fight William."

" In North Carolina says this is my first -- watching in this format I love that William welcome Charles you and -- I mean that what what we're hearing about this council led by the Treasury Secretary. Would seem to suggest that it's a threat to the independence of the -- It would imply that the Fed is now going to be under. Council led by a political appointee now I'm not sure how the details -- work. -- mention any of need the details have been spelled out but if you're abroad are you reading this and your. Economy -- sort of assumes the stability of the American dollar and the independence of the Fed as a guarantor of that. Indeed we know a lot of countries will work where you don't have an independent reserve bank. They end up in hyper inflation and all kinds of other -- I wonder if that should be explained in a way to make people not panic. That's Milosevic because that would be a huge change in how we run our economy you know this is here. --"

" pack ice can add an aside to all this say it's kind of interesting name released just 85 page white paper which can have time period all of yet. But that part of it was a diagnosis of what happened and so this is all built on their diagnosis of what happened. And you know I think most of us would agree that there's lots of villains in this plot there's the people who have bought homes they couldn't afford there's the banks to lend them money. There's that accompanies that on securitize those -- there's -- Wall Street firms that came up with their exotic had plans to ensure those loans and on and on and on. But a big piece -- that is Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. And and the role that they played and Nash and there was no mention of that and the diagnosis of this it was all about the failure of regulation there was never die that there is nothing that says. Well Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac encouraged. The sub prime market. And by buying up those loans they -- the major players in the housing market. They're supported by people like Barney Frank couldn't George Bush tried to -- them and not very hard I might add that tried to rein in those on institutions. And they weren't big factor in all of -- so it's interesting you know and I'm not sure it's been. Again there's a place for that necessarily in any regulatory reform. -- plan right now it's about under conservative or ship. But I think you should at least mention it when you die."

" says Robin also spot on and and because that was such a key reason for the meltdown that ensued. Was that Republicans like George Bush we're trying to implement regulations on Fannie and Freddie. We're blocked by the likes of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. And now the irony is that one of the ways to sell this new regulatory regime is to say. What will be able to put in these regulations that'll prevent bad loans going to people who can afford to buy homes. You know I -- and then and not only are they using that but they're using that as a pretext arguably. To implement a much broader and more sweeping regime of regulations that go far beyond that particular problem. In a way that -- in largest government. Just like we've seen you know the Ted nationalizing the banks that take over the car companies you know that these efforts sticking true raid and got executive compensation whether. That's companies that took TARP money -- maybe companies that didn't take our money we should -- look at their compensation I mean it is staggering to see the level of government intrusion. That is coming from this administration never waste a good crisis."

" And -- I hate to interrupt a -- a couple more topics in before we let you go major anything that. That you see on the horizon -- this week that we didn't talk about."

" Well health care I mean look it's beginning to fall apart on Capitol Hill the Congressional Budget Office numbers are staggering Democrats are reeling at the cost implications of health care. Finance committee delayed until after the fourth of July recess a committee mark up which means. Delaying this and in all likelihood past August recess which means pushing health care deep into the fall. The White House is losing control this message and losing control the numbers and Democrats in the house and senator beginning to recoil from this issue I think that's a huge thing. One thing I asked the briefing today on the right about the website later today. The president said over and over if you like -- you had you get to keep it like you're doctor like your health -- I said Robert Gibbs today with the White House be open to. Putting in legislative language in what ever bill emerges that says congress will track that. And we'll revisit the legislation if in fact people as a Congressional Budget Office sort of predicted begin to lose their health plans and lose their doctor. In voluntarily he said the White House would be open to it. I think that's an interesting question -- got to got an answer."

" Yeah real quickly before I get to you and we didn't plan this major -- very good on the spot health -- is the issue we want to talk to Molly Henneberg up on Capitol Hill it has been getting pretty heated up there Malik. Today was uninteresting -- of senator Kennedy's legislation. We talked about that on the show I think -- get them."

" Yes I'm so glad I have this opportunity because there it's just so interesting to hear senators -- takes on exactly the same thing for example -- government run. Public insurance plan. You have a Republican senate Republican senators and this I love this in this illustration by Lamar Alexander Republican from Tennessee. Crew who is opposed to the government run public insurance plan because he says -- crowd out private insurance and he gave this as sort of mental picture visual -- that if you put an elephant in the room with a bunch of mice what's gonna happen the -- gonna -- the -- increasing you have no -- left it -- you have the -- that's what's going to happen with. Wouldn't that bad public insurance plan is gonna it's gonna be the elephant in the room with all these private insurance companies and it's going to crowd -- so pretty soon in his estimation you're gonna have. Everybody on the public insurance plan then you have on the other side -- Democrats such as senator Jack -- he said. Listen we have got to have a public insurance plan this is an argument I haven't heard previously. A public insurance plan as a check on private insurance to keep private insurance in line with what people and families can afford. He didn't use an illustration quite like elephant a nice but we did make an interesting point that way."

" Yeah comment from the -- Charlotte this whole health care thing frightens me Nina. It frightens a lot of people because of the overall cost which we don't really -- different -- with the overall costs and the prospect of losing your health care and the prospect of losing choice and you know Molly said it -- it when she said pointed out was Jack reed -- she said you know it it'll this public plan will put a check on private. Plans and Obama has said that as well and you want to say well okay so who's going to put attack on the public plan. There -- there's actually a terrific New Yorker article that's making the rounds in which a doctor went to a small town in Texas where that health care costs for the highest. And it was because of over testing and over diagnosis -- mentioned that. That is an -- and that it was it was big it was mostly in government run programs there was there's Medicare and it was it wasn't that private the united not depriving companies don't do it as well but it wasn't. It was it was government a government program that did it tell I think I think that's frightening people excellent ties back there really quickly TV. Media bias because I think. And to health care plan is a perfect example of that where everybody in the media -- there's any health care reform everybody supported it championed it. And eat it it just shouldn't matter what the details were going to be and now you're seeing as I think at some of these speed bumps are put in the way the CBO numbers for example. Might be conservative Democrats becoming more vocal about their nervousness about it that that you're seeing more legs in the media for criticism about it I do think you're gonna see more -- criticism towards the Obama administration at least on non health -- and."

" There's another point remain on medium class and health care that I think one of the biggest buy things in -- sort of generally speaking beyond just this president. Is the and I think is that he has involves data that feeds -- that you have to do something we have to be seen as doing something so that's a big a big points in the second point I'd make is when the president talked about. He you know he gives these assurances about never losing your doctor. He he may may not end up. Being right about that -- majors question was what was a very good one. But but what he doesn't say is it's entirely possible that you keep -- same doctor. But you're going to be paying five times more to go to the same doctrine do the same things that you're doing today if you have this public option crowding out. The the the private companies and and the third point I'd make tamales report is. Aren't elephants afraid of mice."

" I'm very Tennessee statement there really want to go run a quick -- but I'll get you the second Charles. Doug tell me for everybody talked everybody here from the control room Doug is our producer. We'll finish out of control room all the great people inside -- tell me what this out by this. Well it's just one of the videos that we got in right. --"

" I think did not care. To pay for surgery. -- back which needs to -- Malaysia's prime institute. They refused to pay far. And I think it's because the -- 30000 dollar prize today but hey this is normally. You don't supposed to take care of its own soldiers -- spouses. And how much else. And lastly. I've been to the local ten deceleration is the newspaper at Colorado Springs and it looks like they're gonna covered this up. Why."

" Okay well -- have a name he could be from Tennessee. But it's obviously health -- is a major issue for everybody don't forget to upload those videos. We have others were not -- Ron right now with Charles you were gonna say this wonderful records -- vision no tort reform. In this medical reform and in the absence of that it's not a serious issue another protecting from medical malpractice and I look I speak from some experience in the mid seventy's that's how old analyst. I was that's -- what I am now I was a physician at mass general hospital. Those were the early days of these huge settlements -- long before the monstrous settlements of today in the lawsuits and all that. He did and then in the seventies all of us -- order tests that we knew were needed for only one reason. To defend against a lawyer if something happens. If you had to reform where you would socialize -- cost of honest mistakes. Instead of these huge suits where if you hit the jackpot you win fifteen million. And the lawyer gets a third of it while others suffer and get nothing. If if we had a system of of of socializing. That risk. And relieved physicians of the fear of lawsuits. You would save untold amounts of money anybody who practices medicine. We'll tell you and as a patient now I can often see. I know which tests are defensive -- would -- meal. And of course it's disguise their normal a patient who happens not to be a physician is not going to know. And that's an enormous cost and the president himself explicitly. -- the AMA he said he was huge he was not going to go. For tort reform he didn't even happen under Republican administration so it's not going to happen. Because of the trial lawyers are so strong and powerful but that's the heart of the issue and cost control."

" Molly thank you very much of this thing about a -- a major one more thing we want to you want more topic can really quickly the IG investors. Inspector general for americorps. Mr. Walton has been told that he's going to be five and the letter that came out mentioned that he was. Essentially this -- Confused."

" Disoriented and he had lost the confidence of the board of the of americorps and therefore the board. -- the pres the United States and his ethics chief counsel mr. -- and -- said. All the allegations contained in a letter released last -- the White House -- total lie that's a direct quote from him. But he's still on thirty -- suspended suspension with pay but he's going to be fired. Claire McCaskill the Democrat who question the White House about the legitimacy of the firing now appear satisfied. There have yet to be strong Republican advocates -- side of -- I send the house and Charles Grassley. And Iowa on the Senate side -- taken a mr. Walton because it appears the White House is gonna get its way on this."

" Now first of all we had Charles -- know what is americorps. It is an agency of the federal government that is a volunteer agency. And volunteer paid volunteers. And national corporation for community service is what it's called and it won't then. Was the IG for them and among the investigations he did was also one for Santa Sacramento's mayor. Who also happen to be a big. Obama supporter Kevin Johnson yeah question was whether this was tied to that."

" Right the White House denies that and it's 11 fact that they point to that. They believe makes the case that the allegations brought by mr. Walton were not as strong as maybe he indicates that they work. He referred them for criminal prosecution. The US attorney for the eastern district of California the US attorney did not follow up did not carry out any criminal prosecution because of the allegations raised by mr. -- On his side of the ledger. Reached a settlement paying back half of its grants to americorps. So clearly there was something there. We just don't know how what it was."

" Margaret says paid volunteers equals Jumbo shrimp oxy -- okay Charles your thoughts on this. In. And you know today in the -- goes back to the media question to -- today Robert Gibbs said one of the reasons that put out this letter was because fox. Was asking for -- let alone Claire McCaskill of the Senate Democrat from Missouri who is a -- campaign co chair for the -- campaign. -- just it's just an amazing story."

" Isn't that the function of the press to ask -- question. I mean you know the way that the fox is being demonized -- it's upon. Is it the administration has support of all the major media. Oh there is out there we would we choose an opposition is from one page in north street journal. Talk radio and fox -- what they want what with -- how they don't -- but outside of the opinion magazines I'm talking about and reporting news. And and they can't stand it. It's too much up for them. You know when you have an opposition -- and we're speaking a lot of opposition voices. You want to say as well as the mainstream reporters had -- in the Bush Administration. It's a service."

" Clinton but is this just to make one point major makes key point there and -- there was this settlement could -- back half of the amount clearly something wrong. What's taking place -- they wouldn't have agreed to pay the amount back. An and I think their reasons for firing -- on -- rather flimsy confused disoriented and unable to answer questions. I mean. Look at Robert Gibson half on half and basically conducts a press briefing and that would describe him as the reason they portrayed him as this -- during old man who is danger it was dangerously out of touch with reality is not because fox was wondering about it but because. Democrats. Had started to join with Republicans in questioning the firing of this man. Republicans like senator Grassley and -- congressman had started raising questions in the White House was a little nervous but when Claire McCaskill Johnson and then congressman. What's the guy's name Ed towns from New York jumped in and wanted more information -- White House. The White House realized that this was gaining legs -- the only way to stop that was to throw this guy under the bus described as a tottering old man. That's what they did it it was ugly I've seen him on TV three or four times he seems simple -- control of his faculties meeting at which he was tips here out of it. That's what it implies there was a meeting in which has shown us is some sort of out of could."

" I didn't want her bath towel big Claire McCaskill. They it's -- that's the suggestion might be more of back story here about him. Is usually one --"

" Glenn Beck show that they put about to do this twenty minute speech. And bats he wasn't prepared to do it and they didn't find it's acceptable and what he was saying that's what he said today but one media and that. And I -- meeting at their summit now sleep in a meeting that we don't know how generally give you the last word here."

" build the -- what they I would just say about this larger issue here. Is will this have a chilling effect on inspectors general across the federal government who play a vital role a vital role for the taxpayer. In dealing with malfeasance breaking the law and misuse of taxpayer money -- the central. -- powered -- enforcement mechanism to keep an eye on the taxpayer dollars they were better than congress they were better than administrations and if the ideas across the board in this town get the feeling. That they can be thrown out of office because they get crosswise with any -- cross ways rather -- anyone in the administration. That's a dangerous signal to send. That's the bottom line of this story I'm not saying that's where this is heading -- that's why there."

" Rational concern about this okay. Major at the White House thank you very much panel thank you as always. A lot of comments -- says she's -- three comments and none of them have posted now one has -- thank you very much. Wall open gates is a comment from Craig in Virginia week is a deal we get so many thousands of comments we try to post as many as we can. Keep them -- do you think this is worth -- we do. This online show drop us a -- a special report -- foxnews.com. Also tune in every Wednesday 7 PM. And every night. During the week 6 PM and make sure -- upload those videos that's it for us on special report on line control room how about a wave goodbye. Thanks all the guys stick around and do this is all for you."

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prime minister that more hybrid shouldn't let major delivered which is that Nancy Pelosi is -- the White House know that she's not ready for him to drop the public option in his speech on Wednesday. And she may not be
think he counted the months ago I think it's very clear the White House is working all along back channels. With the Senate Finance Committee hearing Max Baucus the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee that
on health care mark says snow the rhino. We bring in senior White House correspondent Major Garrett hey major we're talking about the possibilities of what could be said in the speech a week from tonight.
with the fact at least in the case of Charles Grassley the White House -- out of its way to say we know that fund raising letter he put out but basically -- the idea of
Well look all these things are happening in public and what the White House is trying to do is great. To construct two new arguments one Republicans have wandered off the reservation they're no longer -- in negotiating in good faithful that's a tough sell. Based on the fact pattern I've just established the other thing is. They're trying to -- Because the Republicans and walked away we have to restart this debate. No the reason -- have to restart the debate because you've lost forty points in the polls in the last -- that's what you have to restart the debates which is up in the White House refuses to even acknowledge publicly David Axelrod was out here just an hour -- fund reports. That -- professional sports you know
the town halls around the country at first were dismissed by the White House . And then they were essentially ignored now there is a retooling of the message I mean it seems Charles that this has
is a Washington. You know August early September McCain is on the White House -- I remember it well yes indeed there all my friends. -- diligent routinely applaud for me this. We all applaud what
a couple of -- there was a conference call today that the White House -- weekly basis with -- sympathetic democratic. Echo -- folks and that's not a derogatory term. Brooke White House bush white outfitted with sympathetic Republican folks -- appear. On television and radio -- the post up and it wasn't about health care which surprised all of Democrats I talked to it was about the stimulus and the argument that came from the White House was what. If you look around. The range of economists they're beginning to come around on the beneficial aspects the White House says of the statement the recovery act. And they said look at industrial production companies other than -- the economy are beginning to show progress. The message from the White House was and they want Democrats begin to amplify this is that. From an economic point of view the stimulus is beginning to
that -- that was the public -- that is how the White House is gonna begin merging these two arguments with its most sympathetic audience those Democrats who are outside the White House put it there and amplified through blog posts. Media appearances in other ways what the White House believes is the dual message they can begin to move on the economy and on health care.
will take. Palestinians will take. Major what is the sense of the White House about this whole. You know where they stand on Middle East issues -- of their of their working it is exactly as Charles described the pressure is very intent from the White House was extremely unhappy. When Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was here at the White House about a week and a half ago I sat next to the president said all the right things except one phrase. He
The White House says this is completely -- all voluntary defending compulsory about it and -- suggested helpful hints of how you can -- students. In this process. And I see him under the impression that the White House -- department of education of putting together a little bit -- push back -- say look there's nothing about this that. Is
our audience and elsewhere who see other more sinister overtones in the White House is gonna have to spend a day or two -- unexpectedly. Pushing back on. On what Steve Hayes said was creepy yeah. Here's here's the thing that I -- uses the marker if George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan or George HW bush had done. What ever it is what would the level of outrage or they let -- level of coverage be. And something tells me there might be a lot of people that would be fired up about you know. What other things of the White House often says in its defense on these things and they sent it to me in this the female controversy that went on
clear public polling data that there's no problem with exposure to the White House that's really not an issue that we're not happy to dig much deeper on -- haven't fully aware of maybe -- but