Heated Debate

" About when he went to went to the -- it and you also spoke to people the day before I'm back yes we had a speak out for the community. -- sponsored by Kansas chapter of the national organization flew -- Friday night. In Wichita we had a very good turnout. And to I strictly wanted the community to have an opportunity to come forward and each individual. To share their feelings about. The murder which actually we should call -- assassination. Doctor George tiller who of course. For many many years did late term abortions he -- clinic in Wichita. Was one of only two Kimberley in the entire world. That did late term abortions and he was. Assassinated in church while he was. Serving as an usher and his wife was about to sing in the choir. So everyone spoke out very emotional talked about their experiences with an abortion was -- When I had an abortion when it was a legal for a doctor to give one although not a legal firm woman to have one eye on the sky that's why. As -- shared with them that I -- so in support legal safe and available abortions. But in any event it we all. You know committed ourselves to work harder -- For choice in Kansas and around the world because the idea that -- only two clinics in the entire world that do late term abortion I find. Very very disturbing and now was close doctor Taylor's. And I'll be up to the -- to decide whether or not she's going to reopen who'll run that well there are doctors who fly in from other states. And I've spoken to some of them and I know they want to continue. To provide the late term abortions. These women of course we're getting late term abortions are women generally. Who need that abortion because otherwise their life is in danger if they don't get an abortion. Or -- is severely impaired. Sometimes the -- is are just newly discovered to have severe. Fetal abnormalities for example. Born without a brain. -- the ballot. Really no chance of surviving and so if we don't support the right of a woman to have an abortion when she could die if she doesn't. I don't know -- that would support the right issues abortion."

" Worsens also -- mental health exceptions so the mob influence. And so on she can confidently portions he's performing abortions and I certainly don't don't condone all -- Talent but -- I also don't condone what he's doing. To abort viable babies and when he talked about late term abortions like things eighties. If they -- a C section if they allowed the woman to. Do induced birth and you are these babies and why he's a viable children cool cool is that doctors make -- happen is not even a question whether they. Our you know whether this is life -- not -- these children out of the world like that months babies -- children and more viable and it is for him but there's."

" No actually that's. You know he was operating with in the law. The anti choice forces tried to get him prosecuted exactly what prosecuted and he was acquitted -- Team was operating with in the law the Supreme -- cents. That. If that's what. I actually think it is right because I think it that a mother's life is endangered yet. Have a right to have an abortion is from. Us -- it yeah I'd want to happen tomorrow. Yeah in Canada. In Kansas. The line is yes that her how is it for -- was endangered and that can include mental health yes you can have a late term abortion but only yet. That talented but only if you want -- that would substantially. And if she is she has to prove. That feeling that getting an abortion and or failing to get abortion would substantially impair a Norton her bodily body if she didn't get it. If it. But. Well we're talking about a fetus. That Jet -- pop -- we're not talking about because that would be viable or. If repeated that the warrant if that -- the former category and it yeah. Argument that I -- that they said it."

" yeah I think it's important to separate the incident from the issue. In other words -- was an incident that card that involve the taking of his life lord used you indicated an assassination I couldn't agree with you more the reality is whenever he was doing whatever side before on this particular issue when -- strong sizable -- And we -- not one -- about the three days -- come up with no resolution because all that's -- right -- believes that using and those views are going to be what they are all complex people based upon her in our development thereafter and no one's gonna change to this point hopefully LA or justify -- an -- I don't this -- I I -- her system and that's why does that mean the incidents involving his assassination I think is is despicable and I don't think that you know irrespective of what he was doing how does that justify someone taking him out and in that fashion. You know that it killing anybody under any circumstances forces' terrific. But particularly on the circumstances like that for watching your proving a point you talk about saving lives you gonna take one to save a lot you know it just doesn't make sense to me."

" that candidate if there more acts plan he told the authorities that he was arrested that there. Many more similar act plan as long as abortion and me and I."

" I don't think it matters. The abortion part when he talked about this guy -- this person abortion what is -- has glory you would agree. That have always somebody who -- It was on the other side with Doctor Who was wooten. Refuse department permit abortions at a pro choice person -- it and you would agree that we shouldn't condone those actions as well right."

" Yeah but if abortion is not irrelevant to abortion is -- effect is the issue. -- find out why it's got its. Alleges that he murdered him and put it but you because he was performing particularly when you brought up a key term domestic terrorists yet it doesn't matter what the issue is. It can't be tolerated what what side of the issue Iran he can't -- tolerate once the issue. Or the I mean again we -- but here's here's the big problem here. These that they are doing this to -- her. To prevent. These clinics -- being able to perform. A portion that want to close down the clinics they have lost in the court of public opinion that -- court. That lost and congress had so therefore. These cowards. Decide they're kind of -- or adopt -- Absolutely -- all I would like you to do is agree that it was that was just -- in which people it will people who were opening the clinics. And -- to open. Gotten it was -- I'm sorry person close the current customers right. Somebody was totally against the abortion -- yeah I get that -- Cassidy. Okay assassination plot and an independent domestic terrorism but it's okay but that's that's the average added that it doesn't matter that it doesn't happen and -- Because and this is just the culmination. Of what's been going on in Wichita. In -- these clinics that went to the top a lot of staff people talk to doctors there -- top of women who went to get the abortions there. What's been happening is there's been a lot of felonies committed in advance of this. Vandalizing the clinics in violation of the free access to and entrances to clinics act faces its call -- that the day before this particular event that was filmed. Vandalizing an abortion clinic in Kansas when this was reported which was. -- to the FBI and they had the security videotape of his analyzing putting the -- me a lot of the clinic. Instead of taking it seriously addressing this man for a violation of federal law. Allegedly the FBI -- we're going to have to wait and right now as we progress injury. Had he been arrested that day he would not be able to walk into that church."

" I had my doctor George Allen. Taylor but it real hero in our time. I accidentally. Do you really think. It. It's well. When that it isn't about Bristol. Yeah yeah. Yeah I think. Its -- don't -- Women. -- I. Until about issues. And does not to. Eight months pregnant and it instantly. -- Motorola LA. Not you know decided it's not happen. I think there are a lot of both of -- that I'll --"

" Resolved that issue but at the same time I don't think it's the FBI's call -- reality is that people who people who want to murder people people who want to engage in inappropriate behavior -- he did you legality who want to do things. They do them and -- arrested tomorrow when I get out next year or next week I'm gonna find a way to do it. Someone with a psychotic frame of mind to do what this person it is going to haven't done that's -- FY don't think that the blame lays with in the FBI's doorstep and forget about any act. Against whatever if you vandalized something it's criminal mischief it's state laws local laws ordinances -- behavior we don't need the FBI is stepping."

" If they want they watched him from what I see this is somebody who they were aware. One. Militant was engaging in these kind of -- that Clinton is somebody who just -- on the -- in the very aware of -- and that's the one final comment yeah."

" Yeah and you know what's important to have all this -- what I want. -- besides the prosecution. At both under federal law and state line if it's justified. I want a change -- policy I want -- Barack Obama administration. To restore the hotline. So that abortions. -- abortion clinics can call the Justice Department hotline Kimberly yeah if there are any. Acts against the clinic. That are in violation of the law like vandalizing -- attacks on the planet and have a lot righted and Justice Department has used to have. When President Clinton was president of the united today if connect I don't taken away by the Bush Administration set out these folks aren't left. To have to call local law enforcement whether it's -- support local FBI it's an anti choice day. About time that dragged their feet they don't protect the clinics -- don't enforce the law and that's why we -- alive right to the just how are you doing. Well that now. On that issue like this proposed that in which -- this weekend add -- letter there and I'm sure there is going to be Q. Attorney general Eric Holder and there are pro choice activists -- going to be meeting with him. And we need to have that and I want to -- and the law when he gets the glory on about what exactly and you know what because these clinic worker and he -- he's Hispanic people besides you know. You're talking about yours -- talk about secretary you talked about receptionists answer but -- risking their lives to save money every single day this critic was bombed. In the 1990s doctor -- reopened doctor -- was shot twice -- both arms he went back the next day it opened his clinic god bless them. And finally they murdered him and this -- He now they have created out millions of people who are going to be firmly in support a pro choice because they dared to murder doctor -- that's what the."

" I think that you when you say that people are in favor pro choice I think there are very few Americans very few. But believe that a baby who is full time who was ready to be born. That should in any circumstances. People -- People who aren't horrific car accidents. They do a C section eight those -- announced that the eighties and live even when the -- severely injured. I think are very few people in this country or anywhere in the world that would say that what you were saying there's -- late term abortions he's in any way just."

" You know and I would agree with that but I would also say -- agreement with that I would also say it doesn't justify killing -- know and the reality is is that even if you kill that person do -- people really think by -- that hypocritical -- killing someone. It you know under the guise of wanting to save other lives on the line right I think that. I believe someone's not going to step in the -- and fill the slot that's messing."

" But it's the same concept as the guys up in Riverdale were arrested trying -- you sometimes you have people who are naturally. Have a propensity towards violence is going to use something like this as an excuse. You know a lot of people look at -- people who -- acting like the priests who were kneeling down Notre Dame praying. For the course sold these for children we're going -- boarded and it lifted the priest double off the ground guy who must've been in -- seventy's we really look like. With his rosary beads in his hands and they arrested him. --"

" Well I mean if he's just doesn't."

" And he. Cars on the other okay well I wasn't there I don't know like I haven't caught -- It does that I actually if you brought it -- with the fact that if he was trespassing and pleasant place should have been needed. -- I'm happy about it operating within combine them no question about have usually use operating within."

" I think -- was stretching a lot of help that isn't the answer and you know the thing with waited until he was obviously and I can tell you of the."

" Yeah yeah yeah. Exactly the fact that we've been charged with criminal charges -- she knows that would encourage that is correct. He was pushing -- right and you know we're going to charge you proceeding here because clearly doing."

" Okay that doesn't respect council that's ridiculous I hit it I think seven sometimes. It charges and is bought the man with a quick note -- get get I don't get charged for driving part of our commitment that I -- Inky dink charge was complete."

" Keating that he was charged with. Shot it in Kansas in order to perform a late term abortion a doctor has to get. Opinions from two other doctors two other independent doctors found that if necessary I had to comply with the law so he got two other opinions from two -- doctors they charged him. And said that one of the doctors was not truly independent that he got the -- opinion from. Acquitted -- that charge. Talk about political prosecution out of your committee agree yeah exactly and that guy's got apparently -- that trial was upset. That that doctor tiller was what was acquitted. And and did what he you know what my molested me he."

" His announcement behavior I can't change it exactly what he was part of the army of god. Which is a very. Anti government organization but whatever we'll look forward -- his trial and and I hope that he -- is charged with capital crime and whatnot Georgian capital crime. But he could spend the rest of his life in prison he sure it did -- The -- that. That question. This statute provides -- that Kansas -- what the prosecutors say is that it doesn't. It doesn't provide for under the circumstances but. It's going to be interesting to see what. The Justice Department comes -- with. Whether -- going to charge him with that as well -- industry and you know perhaps you know --"