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Dick Cheney

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Dick Cheney

Published: Mon, 20 Apr 2009

Description: Part 2: Former vice president on Obama-Chavez handshake, CIA memos

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" An elegant thing you know more of my interview with former Vice President Dick Cheney. "

" When you saw the picture this weekend. The president shaking hands with. An anti American dictator -- us. The guy who month early by the way referred to Obama as President Obama as an eight arraignments and had referred to President Bush is the Pavel. What did you think of that picture."

" Well I didn't removing my terror and I've seen them. Scene Hugo Chavez and operation forward Daniel Ortega. In Nicaragua. These are people who operate in our hemisphere but you don't believe and aren't supporting. Basic fundamental principles and policies that most of this of this hemisphere here do we believe in democracy. Nobody would ever use the notion that -- of being somebody committed to democracy. The basically. The position we took him Ian Bush Administration -- to -- and that was the right thing to do. Businesses do something wrong maybe with the president of the United States -- in joking. Whether a dictator that has been so anti American. -- what does that image of bad image for the country well IA I think it's not helpful I think it's. Important -- millions of people all across South America who are watching how we respond. If they see an American president sort of cozying up to somebody like Ted Daniel Ortega. Or room cabinets. I think it's not help him get it sort of sets the wrong standard I think we. You know we need to be. Good neighbors but that doesn't mean that we should not distinguish. Between those that are working harder helpful in doing that good work like we've de Colombia called grown in Mexico. I think you know they need to be held propped up presence got to provide leadership and I I don't want to be in a position more. You don't you don't. Interact with your adversaries I think you do need to do that then he's going to be done properly it's got to be done the right conditions. And it's got to be made clear that you do distinguish between good guys and bad guys between those who believe in democracy. We're friends and allies the United States and those who don't and you don't treat them."

" People want to go back to the issue of interrogations in the releasing. The the -- that gave out specific information even Leon Panetta said it was dangerous for former CIA director said it was dangerous. They urged -- about Obama administration not to do it. Why a why do you think they would do that in spite of that recommendation. If only for political reasons and secondly. Why is it important. That those intense interrogations took place -- the ones they were talking about sleep deprivation water water boarding. Putting insects in this small confined areas in and telling them that they were deadly and facts. Why you why would those tactics needed necessary why you think they continue to be."

" Sir. When you. Try to keep it short within a lot about life there are sure obviously it's the key question. In the aftermath of 9/11. Live 3000 dead American sixteen acres in downtown New York devastated. May hold the Pentagon. We didn't know a lot about al-Qaeda. We didn't have the body of knowledge we have today. But it was a relatively unknown group -- little bit about it but not a lot. We also in the aftermath of 9/11 within very short period of time facing the anthrax attacks. What we did know about al-Qaeda was that they were trying to acquire nuclear weapons. So we have to. Serious concerns about put it like them and short order we were facing the possibility the HQ Khan network black market. Selling of nuclear weapons technology. Enrichment facilities that feed stock and weapons aside. By AQ Khan Pakistan to the Libyans Iranians. And the north Koreans. And obviously one of the questions come up and listen. Eight Yukon and in Pakistan when this technology in capability dealing with -- Osama bin Laden. He may be in Pakistan to all those kinds of issues. Meant we had to collect good first rate intelligence about what was going -- so we could prepared for and against. And that's what we did. We. With the entire intelligence programs of terror surveillance program policy. He the interrogation program we set out to -- that kind of intelligence. It worked it's been enormously valuable in terms of saving lives -- preventing another mass casualty attack against the United States. One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure. Is that put out the legal memo. The memos that the CIA got from the often of them legal counsel. But they didn't put out the memos that show the success of the effort and there are reports that -- specifically. What we gained as a result of this activity they have not been declassified. I formally ask that they be declassified now -- in announced this. -- talked about. But I know specifically of reports that I read I saw them lay out what we've learned through the interrogation process. And what the consequences were for the country. And I know formally asked the CIA to. Take steps to declassify those -- so we can lay them out there in the American people have a chance to see. What we obtained in what we've learned that the intelligence was as well as to -- this debate over here the legal opinions."

" Towards Tenet and actually said we got more from those interrogations and we would ever gotten from the FBI the CIA or the NSA combined."

" But you say that did not tell the whole story."

" Well I think you're going to have the -- we're going to have this debate -- have. Honest debate."

" I want more my exclusive interview with former Vice President Cheney tomorrow night here's a great deal of what's in store. What the Obama people are doing in effect -- we don't need those tough policies. That we had. And that says they didn't work from which we know is not the case they didn't work they kept safe for seven years. As."

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