Damaged National Security?

" The Justice Department is releasing details of the CIA's interrogation. Of terror detainees in the days after nine elevenths form memos. From 2002. To 2005 outlining. Very specific methods. Like waterboarding sleep deprivation and there are plenty of critics on inside the administration who say they're releasing this information will make America less safe. A former head of the CIA saying the decision is likely to hamstring agents in the future let's."

" Absolute last thing you want. If you give the CIA officer -- lawful order something he knows will be effective something that the Justice Department has told him is lawful. And have this poor man or woman handicapping the next off year election. To see if there's going to be durability. In the legal advice that he's been given. Former federal."

" Prosecutor John Flannery has served as special counsel to the Senate Judiciary Committee and Martins city is a visiting fellow at the Hoover institution. And guys I'm glad you're here this is a very very important story I'd like to start with you mark. Releasing this information have we damaged our national security. Absolutely I think this is one of the most dangerous things that a war -- president has done in the history of this country what we have done is we have given Osama bin Laden. Through it through the release of these documents."

" The limits of our interrogation techniques vital information that they can use them to train they're terrorists they're terrorists to resist interrogation when they're captured by the United States this is is that thin and neck and -- FDR during the Second World War had sent the war plans to Berlin. Give an example of one of the techniques that that we've we may not use waterboarding anymore -- of the tape did techniques it's commonly used by law enforcement and also by -- interrogation is sleep deprivation. They need need need the memos describe how it these -- sleep deprivation has to stop. If a terrorist start showing hallucinations well now they're going to trained -- hallucinations. So they can avoid interrogation and hold back information that could save America."

" John I don't know but I hear you chuckling there in in the -- example but but let me just say this that the current director of the CIA Leon Panetta. He would want that these memos to be released are you surprised the President Obama went ahead and did it anyway. I think the president that he said the buck was going to stop what women did the right thing releasing and I mean let's. Let's not be ridiculous for instance waterboarding. How are they going to train them to avoid. A suffocating I mean is there some trick to pretend not to be suffocating what -- be filled with water businessman torture from. Like 1600. It was the inquisition we actually prosecuted people for this you know I think that the story is they don't want us to know the details of the crimes they were committee and have were limiting our government from committing crimes I think that's a good thing I think the president has done the right."

" And you know I think they don't contradictory because the president is saying one thing he's saying we're not going to prosecute fill in NASA whitish yellow light Saber president. He's saying I'm not going to prosecute so and the one -- he's saying there was no crime committed we're not going to prosecute these people we know that they were acting under orders on the other hand. So my question is what is the point so far he's not going to -- the second thing is that he has decided. That you know he wants to release saw this information about my question is. What does that accomplish if these happen well have been ruled out now what is accomplished other than you know drawing attention to something that a lot of media is -- on glom onto and say look at this is what this brutal oppression repression. Is that it will pressure --"

" It refreshes our view -- the world that once and -- we can actually be honest we've come clean also the president want to parse what he said he said he wasn't going to prosecute the questioners. And this begs the question why are these memos created perhaps CIA interviewers said look. This is a crime this is torture this violates the 1955 Geneva convention which is the law of our land the United States. They -- well. The good because we're telling you it's legal I am -- say -- it."

" What are -- was going on Donald junkies and what are the good things about this is that what you know reading -- I found it interesting because that you into the drives the average that are made to make -- it known -- injured in this process because the -- and that's exactly right now -- I don't get me in everything they make sure that -- anyways and I don't get quote you know all that it explains."

" I don't have waited this guy had parties see our shuffle play golf I can't stand referred -- How hard and are you are and I'll be -- and Larry. And here so don't like having our I have my I'll tell you something what what these what what was not in those I agree with the 100% it was very carefully defined in order to protect the people but a title it's not a those memos. Is the Fed the dirty little secret of this program is it worked it stopped volunteers were Hackett stopped. I love that god went out all the -- let me speak. Let me speak up tag that you know these -- this whole thing is it. Dozens and dozens of pages of un redacted information about the techniques and all the sudden you get when you're reading this thing is there is -- you get to the point you get to the point. Where they start talking about the results of the techniques and guess what -- got the black little pen and this is what's there. -- what what is behind here is Mr. President is what I want to know what's behind here is proof that this terrorist program that this terrorist surveillance program interrogation programs stop the next 9/11."

" John what -- don't want to release the final. I think it out of every we haven't had a terror attack. Since 9/11 here in the United States might these techniques. Have been the reason that we haven't been attacked since that. I'd absolutely."

" Yeah all -- I don't know why that I know what I. Then stopped an attack on our on the war on Gaza and I was asked the question mark I'm sorry but I thought I was asked the question area Nairobi and other -- get a word in they answered it well you did okay the answer is met at a we didn't get any information from -- that meant anything we did an awful lot at our borders and our airports that is we did a lot of surveillance that was legal we did some that was illegal. Also. That the evidence of these interrogations of the top lieutenants of Osama bin -- that the work you would think by now we would have and the -- that the polls say anything when -- tortured including that is -- mark that's absolutely -- this -- my comment the interrogation facility Sheikh Mohammed led to the capture of the -- of jemaah -- terrorists who were planning to hijack the plane and -- into the library tower in Los Angeles and if it hadn't have been for -- program there'll -- a hole in the ground in Los Angeles to match the one in New York City."

" It's stop an attack on Heathrow airport it stopped an attack on downtown London it stop an attack on our consulate in Karachi. It stopped an attack on our honor marine camp in -- Booty all this big Al Davis and Brad borne out."

" That was used alternately using larger that was developing -- yes all of this came not from torture from the city enhanced interrogation always -- along the -- and a senior terrorists who are responsible for the 9/11 attacks John going to know what it. But I do you know as -- did it because they closed it out that's encouraging -- the parade right. What I thought I and you are allowed to release the information to prove to us what is not otherwise release to show that toward if you work it's -- in the documents released except they took the black panel exhausted I want to know how. How can I talk to us about it why isn't exposed if you if it why did I told you about public that you told President Bush. President Bush gave a speech in September 2006 where he laid it all out and there's more information that he couldn't because of ongoing -- originally got my."

" I'm Larry Martin seasoned gentlemen and -- neighborhood. Very important is that I think it's very very important senate perhaps."