Worst-Case Scenario No. 3

" Tonight it's special it's the war room where war gaming different scenarios we -- not predicting that these things will happen if fact I'm I think everybody on the set is he's praying that these things don't happen but it's interesting we were talking in the middle of the break. The most the people on the set -- for joining us via satellite. Really think these are light scenarios these of the bed time stories is Bob Baer said just a minute ago. We're just asking what would we do if they did happen a third scenario. Anger and discontent at home the year is -- fourteen many Americans are feeling disenfranchised people are isolated from the political leaders have been betrayed over and over and over again Internet connects like minded people and the -- a fact. A rise in individual militias. Would -- now is Michael Sawyer he is the former head of the CIA bin Laden unit. And back against him -- retired command sergeant major in the US army quickly let me just before we go let me go to -- Michael and that -- here on. -- Stephen Steve give maybe I'm sorry I don't have things. I'm Stephen give me the a real quick how much your taxes in our scenario of Tony fourteen. To pay for all the stuff that we're doing how much attack."

" Should we tried to pay for all of this spending we've done and just the last eighteen months with higher tax rates Heritage Foundation other groups have estimated the tax rates at the top would have to go to eighty. Ninety perhaps even 95%. Which means that 95% of everything you make would have to go government just to pay for what we've already spent money Gerald."

" What happens to. Good people when you start taxing. What action revolves -- tech -- and we all are -- on CNBC yesterday but you're not talking about -- tea party are not out of town on these violent people can't afford it anymore -- the city's going to look like Dodge City they're going to be uncontrollable. You're going to have gangs in control motorcycle marauders you're not going to have enough police -- just like Mexico to control the situation."

" Am I want to come to you know you are -- credible guy you were one of the first guys in in Iraq if I'm not mistaken. During this war you have been with the military for very long time you -- one of the guys in the front lines. Michael you were up in the -- hunt whose four Osama bin Laden you guys. Have all the credibility there at their can be on on. I'm thinking the unthinkable in leading the unthinkable -- come back to you and asking the bubble effect as as I understand the -- effect. Prior to what you set up in the opening. It is. Let's say there's a rancher who's protecting his property down in Texas or Arizona looked like the -- that just was this week and he defends his property. The ATF and the FBI come down they arrest him they haul them away. There's got to be Texans and arizonans they say whoa wait a minute hang on. You people knew this was going to happen Mexico is collapse they're coming across I have a right to protect my own property. That's the Bubba -- now the government has to make a choice who the bad guys who the good guys are because people have been so disenfranchised. Is that possible. They -- Glenn and that's."

" Only possible and that's the problem because the -- is our compliance to civil. You know rights are civil ordained. But the problem you have the line is you've got people that -- going to do the right thing that. Truly protect the interest of the United States to include around but they're the ones that are going to be apprehended Ford because. They did something's got to somebody. That was not in compliance with the what. What the US government -- either arresting guy who's going to be. Orderly and conduct himself accordingly because that's what our society breeds. -- the problem is. -- go ahead they'll finish that none other problem is. You know that's going to get to the point where you see the other Texans and arizonans that aren't going allowed to be arrested because of the first and second individuals that war. So your second third orders in the fact that gonna become you Bob is a hunkering down Indian anti government OK Mike Michael."

" The government. Coming in and disenfranchising. People over and over and over again and adding that people say please listen to us. The average person. Some people will listen to the government that others and I'm seeing it already they. No in the constitution they know in the writings of the founders. And they feel that the government or they will in this scenario and I think we're on this road the government has betrayed the constitution. And so they will see themselves as people who are standing up for the constitution. So how do you diffuse this Michael or or or or or how long -- even do we have before this becomes a crazy real scenario."

" Why don't think you'd want to defuse it planned we've had a we've had a forty minute program so fire. And all of the problems we've talked about it one way or another. Are the result of the American government well either over."

" Are both of you guys saying that. That you don't want to read it I don't think we would head for American revolution we would head for a French revolution it would. This is a scenario that would terror this country apart and and ended in spiral listen to something that is the -- that maybe we have never even seen before including the civil war. -- the Second Amendment."

" Is about it -- base not about hunting -- about a militia. But about resisting tyranny. That the founders were very concerned about allowing this individual citizens weaponry to defend themselves as a last resort against the trend local government. I don't think. The government the founders ever considered that there would be a tyranny having confidence. But I think that's what we're facing OK and ultimately -- and the right the American."

" Both of you guys. I mean I I can't believe I'm hearing this and don't get me wrong I am against. The government and I think that they have just been horrible and I do think they are betraying the principles. Of our founders. Every day -- office but I have to tell you. This scenario scares the living daylights out of me because it is complete it is it is shaking nitroglycerin. You both served in the military. You tell me do that do the soldiers. Come in and do day. Do they round up people or did they fight with the people for the constitution what is the army what is the military do."

" Neither one of us I -- you're lucky if you just said that Michael Steele rarely alone to say which -- the military all lose. I think he I don't think the military is ever going to shoot on the American people sir. I think the military of all people read the constitution every year right through okay Tim and again didn't --"

" Give me an extra minute Tim I want to ask you real quick. Tim we have -- military exercises going on in Iowa right now we have a battalion. I believe in. And Maryland people are training for civil unrest all over the country. I believe the answers you know they get and they say well this is furthest kind of unrest in this kind of -- it's it except we just headed our stimulus package. Away for if you -- governor says no to the money the legislature can go around the governor can go right to the feds it's this kind of thing that would make. These federal government say you know what we can call up the National Guard we don't need to your governor to do it. Do you believe those scenarios -- this crackpot stuff."

" No waigel and I think that's -- possibility. But out but to be frank we -- you know civil war history repeats itself and I don't think. That you will have brought this fighting each other like we did back in the civil war we've learned our lesson. It stayed own but it's also state sponsored by those people of that community are guy I would love to have you back for us. But because I don't even understand the sense I don't know understand where you're going to have got to move on now we're up against the break. And I got to talk to about where is god did fit in all of this or de."